Pre-release thread discussion

[Pezzle]

Fisto the robot travels back in time to serve inhabitants of another Galaxy?

[Lantyssa]

Also the extremely fey Sith Inquisitor played Boy George in a stage production. 

Maledict may be in luck then!

[Lakov_Sanite]

Fisto the robot travels back in time to serve inhabitants of another Galaxy?

I admit it, I tested him out...

[lamaros]

A Q for those who have better knowledge of MMO costs and the like: If the reported $300 million dev costs are true, just how many subs will they have to maintain to turn a profit with the first few years?

[Ingmar]

Depends highly on how many box sales they get, especially sales through Origin where they get every cent.

[Evildrider]

A Q for those who have better knowledge of MMO costs and the like: If the reported $300 million dev costs are true, just how many subs will they have to maintain to turn a profit with the first few years?

It's closer to 150 mil then 300.  300 is just people throwing bigger numbers around, like the 128TB beta download.

[lamaros]

A Q for those who have better knowledge of MMO costs and the like: If the reported $300 million dev costs are true, just how many subs will they have to maintain to turn a profit with the first few years?

It's closer to 150 mil then 300.  300 is just people throwing bigger numbers around, like the 128TB beta download.

What makes that 150mil number more legitimate? (I'm taking the 300mil from https://goblinworks.com/blog/)

[Evildrider]

I'd click on that link but Firefox considers it an untrusted site.   

[Kageru]

Hm, mine has no issues...

The ultimate expression of the theme park process is coming very soon in the form of Star Wars: The Old Republic, from EA/Bioware. I have been told by people I trust within the industry that this project's budget has exceeded $300 million. It is the Avatar of this generation of MMOs.

[DraconianOne]

Well yes, that looks like a trustworthy and reliable source.

[lamaros]

Well yes, that looks like a trustworthy and reliable source.

Former CMO of CCP says his contacts indicate $300 million. Unless you have a better source than 'random poster on f13' I'm going to go with the guy who worked in the industry.

[Evildrider]

I still highly doubt it's that much.  Hearsay, especially from a competing company is suspect.

[tmp]

How many people are given to actually know that number, anyway?

[Evildrider]

Just to clarify the 150 mil I was quoting was from what Scott Jennings/Lum wrote in an article he did earlier this year. 

[DraconianOne]

Well yes, that looks like a trustworthy and reliable source.

Former CMO of CCP says his contacts indicate $300 million. Unless you have a better source than 'random poster on f13' I'm going to go with the guy who worked in the industry.

So quick to presume sarcasm

It looks like a trustworthy and reliable source. In so far that a guy busy marketing his own new MMO can be considered trustworthy and reliable. He's in the industry; one of the companies he's affiliated with used to publish Star Wars Insider... there's lots of reasons to believe its an accurate figure. But he also might be talking out of his arse and just trying to over-egg things to make sure that the first blog about the development process of his new MMO gets noticed. What better way to do that than saying "Hey guys, a close industry friend of mine has told me what the budget is for a triple-A title that's being released next week."  He then goes on to expound on how Pathfinder will be a sandbox game, small and cheap and nothing like SWTOR.

Is he right? I have no idea. But he's in marketing and I don't trust that wholeheartedly.  It's his job to say "My product is the BEST EVAH! and so much better than our ridiculously overhyped and expensive competitors."

[tmp]

On different note, does anyone know if the species selection is going to be relaxed come the game launch? Having this vague idea for a Miraluka IA with Sniper spec, but the info from the beta doesn't leave much hope for that happening

[DraconianOne]

No idea.

On another different note (because I've just caught up with the cast list), Paul Darrow and Doug Bradley? Totally playing Imperial now. 

[Evildrider]

On different note, does anyone know if the species selection is going to be relaxed come the game launch? Having this vague idea for a Miraluka IA with Sniper spec, but the info from the beta doesn't leave much hope for that happening

Unless the Legacy system allows it, I doubt it.  Miraluka are supposed to be the Republic's equivalent to Sith Pureblood.

[Fordel]

I kinda doubt you'll see Race variety any time soon Tmp.

[tmp]

Hmm that sucks a bit. The dev quotes in the threads i could dig up were along lines of "it's not that these limits are in stone but rather these are just combinations we have confirmed so far", so was hoping that's indeed subject to change. And there was the initially Sith Miraluka in KoTOR 2 so there was slim chance... ah, well.

[Merusk]

Yeah, but Vision was Sith because Darth Facemask killed her entire planet then said "hey, join me or die."

[Mattemeo]

It's thanks to that KotOR character we're stuck with eyeless humans as a racial choice. Instead of, say, anything else.

[Sky]

Miraluka at least have an interesting twist to them, and some racial identity.

What's up with the green guys?

And my personal peeve is the fucking darth mauls. Worst sith ever, but can't shake him. I liked jar jar better. For reals.

[Surlyboi]

It's thanks to that KotOR character we're stuck with eyeless humans as a racial choice. Instead of, say, anything else.

Kinda.

The first official Miraluka was Jerec in Jedi Knight. he was retconned to be a Miraluka long after the fact, but the idea of the blind force user went back as far as then.

Jesus, I'm a goddamn EU nerd.

[Mattemeo]

Zabrak and Twi'lek are supposed to be the most ubiquitous species in the galaxy after Humans, iirc.

The Mirialans (Green Guys) are completely new to me so I really can't say anything about them, though at least they have the grace to look slightly different to Humans.
I've argued in the past that Chiss are almost as underwhelming as the Miralukans but having read up a little on them now I can see them having a place in SWtOR's time-line beyond 'wahh nasty Sith squished a colony of ours!'

I love that Rattataki are playable almost as much as I hate that Asaaj Ventress has been retconned to not be one, inexplicably.

I don't see the fucking point in Cyborgs. At all.

[tmp]

Yeah, but Vision was Sith because Darth Facemask killed her entire planet then said "hey, join me or die."

I'm perfectly fine with being given the same offer

[Lakov_Sanite]

I don't see the fucking point in Cyborgs. At all.

Mario-Luigi
Ryu-Ken
Bubble-Bobble

Palette swapping has been the lazy man's answer to content since games began.  Truthfully beyond cyborgs, a lot of the races feel that way to me.  The game definitely looks fun, especially with those HD textures and not looking like ass anymore but races are probably one of the weaker points in a game supposedly filled with hundreds of different species.

[Lantyssa]

The Mirialans (Green Guys) are completely new to me so I really can't say anything about them, though at least they have the grace to look slightly different to Humans.

Bariss Ofee from the prequels and Clone Wars.  Lady with the tattoos on her face.

Still, there are all kinds of races they have models of that I'd love to play as much as or more than the current selections.

[Mattemeo]

Bariss Ofee from the prequels and Clone Wars.  Lady with the tattoos on her face.

Still, there are all kinds of races they have models of that I'd love to play as much as or more than the current selections.

Bariss Ofee! Of course! Yeah, that settles it - Mirialans have appeared in non-EU continuity. Can't believe I forgot her, but it's been a good long time since I saw any of the prequel trilogy or dug out my Clone Wars DVD (the original cartoon version).

As for your last point, that grates every time I run into a Nautolan, or Cathar, or Rodian, or...

[01101010]

Bariss Ofee from the prequels and Clone Wars.  Lady with the tattoos on her face.

Still, there are all kinds of races they have models of that I'd love to play as much as or more than the current selections.

Bariss Ofee! Of course! Yeah, that settles it - Mirialans have appeared in non-EU continuity. Can't believe I forgot her, but it's been a good long time since I saw any of the prequel trilogy or dug out my Clone Wars DVD (the original cartoon version).

As for your last point, that grates every time I run into a Nautolan, or Cathar, or Rodian, or...

I am somehow comforted by the fact that I have no idea what you are talking about. 

[Lantyssa]

Preach it, my kitty sibling!

[Merusk]

Yeah I think the Mirialans were an attempt to give us one of the badass Jedi Master races from the prequels while keeping to their bizarre human-body limitation for avatars.  Because of anyone I'd rather be Kai-Ai Mundi (conehead) or the one with the Red and White kin and the bitchin horns.  Luminara (green skin) was cool looking but that was her robes, not her race.

Hell, even squidhead Kitt Fisto (   ) would be better.

Ed: Bariss was also Mirialan but was Luminara's padwan.   

[Mattemeo]

Hell, even squidhead Kitt Fisto (   ) would be better.

Kit Fisto is a Nautolan and my favourite background Jedi character. Best smile in the galaxy, too!

[DraconianOne]

He got it on with Aayla Secura during the Battle of Kamino too so BW can't say he wouldn't be appropriate for a romance plot.

[Shatter]

Hell, even squidhead Kitt Fisto (   ) would be better.

Kit Fisto is a Nautolan and my favourite background Jedi character. Best smile in the galaxy, too!

He looks like a bug, bugs r scary..f that