Steve Jobs has passed

[luckton]

No offense, but we are talking about a flower-child-turned-billionaire.  You can take the hippy out of the drug-filled VW van, or something...

[Merusk]

"Personally, I think Jim Henson said it best when he said "Anybody got an aspiren? I think I've got a cold."”

[Paelos]

I never understood the logic of not wanting to remove an odd growth in your body.

"You have a tumor in your colon, we'd like to remove it surgically."
"No, I'll pass. I've named him Jim."
"Uh, ok. Well Jim is going to kill you."
"My other doctor says if I feed Jim Wheat Thins 8 times a day I'll be fine."
"I can assure you that crackers will not cure cancer."
"Well, that's like...your opinion, man. You don't know that."
"I know you have a growth the size of a golf ball in your intestine that's getting larger."
"WHEAT THINS!"

[NiX]

Apple Store in the local mall:

[01101010]

Apple Store in the local mall:

I take it there is something to those post-it's? Otherwise, I have no clue.

[luckton]

Steve would have died from a heart attack over seeing such defacement on his beautiful glass walls 

Just saying. 

[NiX]

Given the thread I thought it would be obvious. They're notes of condolences from Apple fans.

[Slayerik]

"Personally, I think Jim Henson said it best when he said "Anybody got an aspiren? I think I've got a cold."”

I have a cold. Same cold I've had for two years. I just can't seem to shake it. I'm high as a kite and my teeth are green. Merry fucking Christmas!

[Engels]

I'm trying to find alternate sources for this story linked above, but I'm not having much luck. Yes, this Dr. Ornish is a nutter, but are there other accounts of Jobs refusing surgery other than this singular blog? It smells of 'coat tails' journalism to me.

According to the article the blog post itself cites (http://www.cultofmac.com/2709/steve-jobs-treated-his-cancer-at-veggie-restaurant/), the entire foundation of the blog post is based on this:

It now appears that Jobs’ special diet was conducted in part at Greens, a popular vegetarian restaurant in San Francisco, and he was often accompanied by Dr. Dean Ornish, the bestselling author of “Eat more, Weigh Less” and a clinical professor of medicine at University of California, San Francisco.

According to two staff who worked at Greens, and who asked to remain anonymous, Jobs regularly met Dr. Ornish at Greens about four years ago. Both staffers said they got the impression Jobs was trying to treat his cancer with meals eaten at Greens.

So, two waiters at a restaurant have managed to sus all this out!

[bhodi]

Um, and here? And this story by Reuters on CNN? I did a little research before I posted because I was skeptical as well. There seems to be a solid consensus.

[Surlyboi]

Apple Store in the local mall:

I take it there is something to those post-it's? Otherwise, I have no clue.

Do a google image search for "Apple store memorial post its"

[Engels]

Um, and here? And this story by Reuters on CNN? I did a little research before I posted because I was skeptical as well. There seems to be a solid consensus.

I'm a little bit more convinced, but remain skeptical. The first link simply cites the second link, the Fortune article, as its source for information. The third article cited in the SBM blog, from the dailybeast, also simply cites the Fortune 2008 article.

The Fortune 2008 article doesn't seem to think it needs to have any significant proof, other than a quote that could be taken out of context:

"It was very traumatic for all of us," recalls one of those in whom Jobs confided, speaking on condition of anonymity because of the topic's sensitivity. "We all really care about Steve, and it was a serious risk for the company as well. It was a very emotional and very difficult time. This was one page in the adventure."

Don't get me wrong, I'm not accusing you of jumping the gun and leaping on a sensationalist article, but at the same time, I am seeing a lot of informational black holes here, especially when we all know the secretiveness not only of Jobs, but of his entire company. If you think you'll get canned for leaking iPhone info, just imagine what would befall you if you leaked Job's medical information.

All in all, even if this were true, reading the daily beast article (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/10/05/steve-jobs-dies-his-unorthodox-treatment-for-neuroendocrine-cancer.html) seems a much more measured assessment of what the treatment was like.

Despite the delay in having the surgery, Jobs’s upbeat report was not unrealistic: most patients diagnosed with neuroendocrine tumors in the pancreas live at least another 10 year

[Ingmar]

Yeah the no surgery thing is definitely known, I was aware of it from a few sources and general Valley gossip.

[naum]

Linus Torvalds on Steve Jobs (an old Charlie Rose interview)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcbbOcquHZ4

[Sand]

Given the thread I thought it would be obvious. They're notes of condolences from Apple fans.

I thought they were factory workers from all his third world child labor camps, the ones he liked to not discuss.

[WayAbvPar]

"Personally, I think Jim Henson said it best when he said "Anybody got an aspiren? I think I've got a cold."”

I have a cold. Same cold I've had for two years. I just can't seem to shake it. I'm high as a kite and my teeth are green. Merry fucking Christmas!

Big N, small Y, GIANT FUCKING Q!

[Ingmar]

Hyperbole much? I'm not going to pretend that tech assembly line workers are treated wonderfully or even well, but China is not the 3rd world and the people who work at Foxconn, Jabil, Flextronics, etc., aren't children.

[naum]

Steve Jobs Book Excerpt: Why he wore the Black Mock Turtleneck uniform

On a trip to Japan in the early 1980s, Jobs asked Sony’s chairman Akio Morita why everyone in the company’s factories wore uniforms. He told Jobs that after the war, no one had any clothes, and companies like Sony had to give their workers something to wear each day. Over the years, the uniforms developed their own signatures styles, especially at companies such as Sony, and it became a way of bonding workers to the company. “I decided that I wanted that type of bonding for Apple,” Jobs recalled.

Yeah, that didn’t fly.

Sony, with its appreciation for style, had gotten the famous designer Issey Miyake to create its uniform. It was a jacket made of rip-stop nylon with sleeves that could unzip to make it a vest. So Jobs called Issey Miyake and asked him to design a vest for Apple, Jobs recalled, “I came back with some samples and told everyone it would great if we would all wear these vests. Oh man, did I get booed off the stage. Everybody hated the idea.”

So Jobs got himself a uniform.

In the process, however, he became friends with Miyake and would visit him regularly. He also came to like the idea of having a uniform for himself, both because of its daily convenience (the rationale he claimed) and its ability to convey a signature style. “So I asked Issey to make me some of his black turtlenecks that I liked, and he made me like a hundred of them.” Jobs noticed my surprise when he told this story, so he showed them stacked up in the closet. “That’s what I wear,” he said. “I have enough to last for the rest of my life.”

[Strazos]

Wait, he seriously only wore black turtlenecks? Always?

[Trippy]

Mock turtlenecks and yes.

[luckton]

 

[Sand]

Hyperbole much? I'm not going to pretend that tech assembly line workers are treated wonderfully or even well, but China is not the 3rd world and the people who work at Foxconn, Jabil, Flextronics, etc., aren't children.

Read this:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/apple/7330986/Apple-admits-using-child-labour.html

It details employee suicide, beatings, fines being imposed on Foxconn factories, and child labor (at least the ones Apple admitted to).

[Sir Fodder]

Being somewhat fashion disabled I have developed a sort of uniform like that, not so strict, but I totally get that pile of turtlenecks thing, makes dressing one less thing to have to think about.

I remember hearing about the "treating it with diet" thing and thinking wtf red flag, but we don't have his medical history (he should have been more forthcoming as a public figure IMO), my guess would be that the diet stuff was just an adjunct to standard treatment.

[bhodi]

Standard treatment would be to immediately get the cancerous tumor out of you via surgery. It's pretty clear he waited 9 months.

[Paelos]

Standard treatment would be to immediately get the cancerous tumor out of you via surgery. It's pretty clear he waited 9 months.

Again, this is just insane. Was he planning to give birth to it naturally first?

[Ingmar]

Hyperbole much? I'm not going to pretend that tech assembly line workers are treated wonderfully or even well, but China is not the 3rd world and the people who work at Foxconn, Jabil, Flextronics, etc., aren't children.

Read this:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/apple/7330986/Apple-admits-using-child-labour.html

It details employee suicide, beatings, fines being imposed on Foxconn factories, and child labor (at least the ones Apple admitted to).

Ah, 15 year olds. When I hear 'child labor' I think of 8 year old girls in textile mills making Nike t-shirts. It also seems pretty evident that Apple was proactively trying to find and deal with that particular situation. The other stuff (60+ hour work weeks, etc.) is far worse and is what you should be harping on.

[MahrinSkel]

FWIW, it's not like Apple is the only company using Foxconn to build their stuff.  The others don't come up because they don't try to find out how their stuff is getting delivered 2% cheaper (that article is based on Apple's own inspections and reports).  If you buy anything electronic, the chances that it didn't involve labor practices just as vile are remote.

--Dave

[Ingmar]

Yeah, I'm by no means an Apple fan but the fact that they're actually looking into that stuff themselves shouldn't really be bringing them more approbation from people.

[Ironwood]

Is he still dead ?

I thought when 3 days passed, the stone rolled away.

[Zaljerem]

Is he still dead ?

I thought when 3 days passed, the stone rolled away.

 

Well played!

[Surlyboi]

Is he still dead ?

I thought when 3 days passed, the stone rolled away.

That's the robot jesus.

[rk47]

Is he still dead ?

I thought when 3 days passed, the stone rolled away.

No it's 3 pages later. We need to bump the thread. On a more serious note, I'm glad this place doesn't go up in candles and confessions of Mr. Jobs successful marketing when he was alive, it's strange why a lot of people pay tribute to a guy who sold them mobile phones and overpriced hardwares.

[Murgos]

No it's 3 pages later. We need to bump the thread. On a more serious note, I'm glad this place doesn't go up in candles and confessions of Mr. Jobs successful marketing when he was alive, it's strange why a lot of people pay tribute to a guy who sold them mobile phones and overpriced hardwares.

If for nothing else he should be respected for bringing the affordable computers to desktops.  Maybe it was an idea whose time was due and would have happened in a few more years regardless but, 2 guys in a garage changed the world.

[Surlyboi]

Is he still dead ?

I thought when 3 days passed, the stone rolled away.

No it's 3 pages later. We need to bump the thread. On a more serious note, I'm glad this place doesn't go up in candles and confessions of Mr. Jobs successful marketing when he was alive, it's strange why a lot of people pay tribute to a guy who sold them mobile phones and overpriced hardwares.

Because he did a hell of a lot more than that.

[KallDrexx]

Just saw this posted somewhere 

In honor of Steve Jobs' death, RIM is enacting a 3 day silence period