Dark Souls

[JWIV]

Wonder if they're going to add a quicksave.  I'd imagine it'd trivialize the game, but it's something people will howl for.

[Fabricated]

Why in the world would you not play this game with a controller? I hate playing shooters with controllers with all of my soul and I wouldn't play Dark or Demons' souls without a controller.

[Yegolev]

Wonder if they're going to add a quicksave.  I'd imagine it'd trivialize the game, but it's something people will howl for.

I can't see this happening.  Who would howl for this?  Pussies?

[Ingmar]

I can't remember the last PC game I played that only had save points. I can see it being a bit of a culture shock thing to go back to save points.

[tmp]

Beyond Good & Evil only had save points, i think.

[Rasix]

Beyond Good & Evil only had save points, i think.

[Yegolev]

Dark Souls does not have save points.  If you fuck up and kill a NPC that you need (pyromancer kills the pyromancy salesman) then you're starting a new character.

I suppose I should edit this to say that you can just proceed without whatever it is that you fucked up.  For example, my main character accidentally the mage vendor, so no more spells from that guy (I did get his ring, though, which really is the better outcome).  But to Ingmar's point, I don't think a PC gamer would do that.

[Kail]

I can't remember the last PC game I played that only had save points. I can see it being a bit of a culture shock thing to go back to save points.

It's pretty common on console ports.  Things like Alice: Madness Returns and Transformers: WfC and so on don't have much of an in-game save, as I recall, just saving automatically at checkpoints.  Also, a lot of the more tricky games that get a lot of mileage out of mastering the difficulty curve, like the trickle of extreme difficulty 2d platformers, bullet hell shooters and fighting games generally avoid having an in-level save, and I think Dark Souls probably fits in this kind of mold.

I dunno, I don't see it becoming a huge problem.

[Ingmar]

Well, yes, on console ports. Which leads to complaints of consolitis, which is where we started.

[Kail]

I'm not really concerned about complaints of consolitis if that's the only problem (I assumed you guys were joking about that, since it seems odd to complain that a console port plays like a console port).  I'm just saying, there are plenty of games out there for the PC which don't incorporate quicksaves and which still sold reasonably well, so I don't know that it would blow PC gamers minds to be restricted to save points or something.  If there are complaints about the shitty UI or lousy camera controls, I can get behind that, but I don't hear a lot of people who were shocked about the lack of an option to save anywhere in Grand Theft Auto or anything.  Maybe that's just the people I talk to, though, I dunno.

[schild]

This is not a game for quicksaves and I don't know why anyone would even mention such a thing in a thread about it.

It's plum stupid and should have been ignored.

[Kageru]

Had been ignoring the thread since I only play on PC... what a pleasant surprise. Very much looking forward to this.

The developer seems to have a pretty clear goal so save points make no sense. Likewise once I bought a game-pad for my PC I am less worried about consolitis, though a good port is always nice to have.

[UnSub]

Wonder if they're going to add a quicksave.  I'd imagine it'd trivialize the game, but it's something people will howl for.

I can't see this happening.  Who would howl for this?  Pussies?

The same people who will be installing difficulty-reduce mods. To make the game "right".

[bhodi]

I just want a mod where I don't open the door and exit the loading screen directly into an 8 x 8 square courtyard where the boss is already leaping towards me.

I know it was a deliberate design decision, an evolution to try and make you feel crowded but that doesn't make it any more fun.

[Teleku]

Would be very interesting if it is mod-able.  Lots of opportunity there.

[Valmorian]

Actually that's my point.  The game is hard and I think we might see a lot of blame going toward the UI.  In any case I will be interested to see the reactions.

I like Dark Souls and appreciate what it is trying to do, but not everything in it that is hard is hard because you have to master a skill.  Difficulty that can be surmounted is admirable, but difficulty because you are struggling with a bad UI is not admirable.  (Not saying that Dark Souls has a TERRIBLE UI, but it could be better).

[Yegolev]

I just want a mod where I don't open the door and exit the loading screen directly into an 8 x 8 square courtyard where the boss is already leaping towards me.

I know it was a deliberate design decision, an evolution to try and make you feel crowded but that doesn't make it any more fun.

I assume you are talking about Capra.  That sucked a lot.  So far that was the hardest part of the game for me.

[bhodi]

Got it in one. For me, too.

[Hawkbit]

Saw a quick Kotaku rumor for an August release, and is supposed to have extra bosses.

[Yegolev]

If it has extras, I'm going to be a tad irritated.

[NiX]

If it has extras, I'm going to be a tad irritated.

I would assume From is bright enough to know they need to share the wealth.

[Yegolev]

I believe From already stated that there will be no DLC for Dark Souls.  Maybe this means we will get updates but not pay?

[NiX]

I believe From already stated that there will be no DLC for Dark Souls.  Maybe this means we will get updates but not pay?

Probably, though we'll see if they can get past the Xbox Live policies.

[Hawkbit]

http://www.preparetodie.com/en/about/

PC version on August 24, 2012

Initial report says that it requires GFWL. 

Extra bosses confirmed.

The GFWL inclusion took this from must-buy to a might-buy. 

[schild]

It's still a must buy.

[ffc]

There is no chance I'm buying this unless GFWL has become a one-time only activation thing with no limits or other funk, which is significant for me since I am as beardy as it gets with this game.  The ghost of sinij has spoken.

[Hawkbit]

I installed GFWL recently for AoEO, and it seems to be working decently now.  I've just never liked it, but maybe I'll have to get over myself.

[Kail]

There is no chance I'm buying this unless GFWL has become a one-time only activation thing with no limits or other funk, which is significant for me since I am as beardy as it gets with this game.  The ghost of sinij has spoken.

As far as I know (and I'm not the most knowledgeable about this) GFWL's current activation policy is like Steam's: your CD Key is tied to your account once you use it, and once you do this you have unlimited activations.  Their games which used the old system are still limited (like WH40k DoW 2 and Bioshock 2) but I think they're moving away from that model for new releases (like Fable 3 and Section 8).  That's the impression I have, anyway. 

GFWL is still annoying, and I haven't heard anything about a Steam release, which makes me wonder if this is going to be a brick and mortar only affair. This might be a bigger deal breaker for me since every store near me has a PC section comprised entirely of Warcraft and Call of Duty.

[Mrbloodworth]

I have had to reinstall GFWL about 4 times on different machines, due to IT crashing, not the game.

It's hassle layer, and I can do with out it.

If you put a game out on steam, use steam. Stop putting another layer on it. Looking at you EA and GFW.

[bhodi]

GFWL? Sorry. I'm now a Pass. I won't even pirate a game that has GFWL.

[schild]

GFWL is so non-invasive in AoEO that I don't care about it anymore. My auto-pass is now having to install Origin.

[bhodi]

Well, yeah. That's a given.

[Mrbloodworth]

I also like how if GFWL loose connection, you are booted from the game. Even if your game is still online and doing fine.

[Fabricated]

GWFL is fucking awful and it infuriated me when I installed Bulletstorm recently and I had to spend 10 minutes trying to get their shitty website to create an account for a service I never wanted to use.

note: I do not and probably at this point will never own a 360.

[Mrbloodworth]

So, whats the install limit on this under GFWL?

Going with 10.