McDonalds will KILL you!

[lamaros]

I enjoy how Sand knows everything because of Google. Google has made him the smartest person in the world! And not at all insufferable!

Thank you Google.

[Lantyssa]

Who the fuck cares if the rich or poor ate it two centuries ago?  If it tastes good, eat it.  If it tastes like shit, don't.

It's not like most of us are living in a time or place that requires us to eat anything we can acquire.

[Sheepherder]

There is a big difference. Lamprey was an upper crust food, that fell out of favor. And really isnt eaten widely any longer.
The other foods we are discussing were lower class sources of protein or food (pigs feet and testicles, chitlins, etc) and either never gained popular acceptance, or some very few did (such as ribs which were a poor man's food but are now popular).

If I Google it I can also find the appropriate tartan for a kilt to honour my Scottish ancestors.

Beef and mutton implies grazing land, large amounts of manpower at your command, the ability to feed an train work dogs, and a fairly large assortment of tools.  Peasantry implies indentured servitude.

I'm sure it makes sense in your world that peasants would have eaten the offal fresh and made the choice cuts of meat into sausage.

[Paelos]

Who the fuck cares if the rich or poor ate it two centuries ago?  If it tastes good, eat it.

Andrew Zimmern agrees!

[Cyrrex]

Also, I refuse to Google testicles.  I did that once before and was decidedly unhappy with the results.

Sand, I'm sure you're right about the historical nature of these foods.  Shoot, I make fun of the locals here (in Denmark) for their food history, because much of their staple diet evolved the same way.  Still, they continue to eat these things today because they like them...not because they have to.  Some of them are genuinely good.  Mash up various pig parts into a paste and call it a day!  Make sausages out of blood!  Okay, that last one is gross, and they are gross for eating it.  Stupid farmers.

[Sheepherder]

Sand, I'm sure you're right about the historical nature of these foods.  Shoot, I make fun of the locals here (in Denmark) for their food history, because much of their staple diet evolved the same way.

He isn't really.

Traditionally animals were slaughtered only for feasts, and the offal and blood which was otherwise unappetizing made into sausage, because you could spice the shit out of links of sausage, it would last forever, and if it went bad it was no big loss.  There's a reason that every race or ethnicity ever has some variant of sausage.

Which leaves you with the conclusion that at some point in time some people thought tripe was pretty tasty.  Which isn't that much of a stretch, really.

[Sand]

Sand, I'm sure you're right about the historical nature of these foods.  Shoot, I make fun of the locals here (in Denmark) for their food history, because much of their staple diet evolved the same way.

He isn't really.

Traditionally animals were slaughtered only for feasts, and the offal and blood which was otherwise unappetizing made into sausage, because you could spice the shit out of links of sausage, it would last forever, and if it went bad it was no big loss.  There's a reason that every race or ethnicity ever has some variant of sausage.

Which leaves you with the conclusion that at some point in time some people thought tripe was pretty tasty.  Which isn't that much of a stretch, really.

I am because eating tripe and eating sausage that you "spice the shit out of" isnt exactly the same thing. Nor does that single piece of offal apply to every other thing people have eaten or the history of all plains, peasant, and slave foods.
You can disagree with me all you want, doesnt make me wrong or you right. I enjoy cooking. I enjoy knowing the history and story of the foods I cook. I read cook books, wine histories and things the way other people read novels.

For a non-meat based example look up the pokeweed plant. They are a poisonous plant commonly found through out North America. Despite the poisonous nature of the plant they were cooked and eaten by rural poor people as a source of food because many times they had nothing else to eat. The reason people dont eat it today is that the plant is poisonous. They didnt start eating because of their culture, and people didnt stop eating it due to squeamishness. They ate it because they had nothing else.

Just look at the history of "soul food".

European enslavers fed their captive workers as cheaply as possible, often with leftover/waste foods from the plantation, forcing slaves to make do with the ingredients at hand. In slave households, 'vegetables' consisted of the tops of turnips, beets, and dandelions. Soon, African-American slaves were cooking with new types of "greens": collards, kale, cress, mustard, and pokeweed. They also developed recipes which used lard, cornmeal, and offal; discarded cuts of meat such as pigs' feet, oxtail, ham hocks, chitterlings/"chitlins" (i.e., pigs' small intestines), pig ears, hog jowls, tripe, and skin.

Keep beating that dead horse though.

[Engels]

There may be some truth to that, Sand, but on the other hand, you'll find examples all over Europe of 'slave meat' being served in restaurants to this day. Tripe, for instance, is not uncommon in Spanish paradors, especially closer to the capital. Kidneys are also legion across both French and Spanish higher end restaurants. I'll grant you that pigs feet and ears are less common, but that's in large part because their preparation is a bit more of a pain and they aren't quite as popular as tripe.

[MahrinSkel]

That has more to do with the search to present novelty for jaded palates than the inherent tastiness of the materials.

--Dave

[Ingmar]

That's not true for menudo or pho, though.

[MahrinSkel]

That's not true for menudo or pho, though.

But there (with tripe), you're just talking about a cut of meat (muscle tissue) that's only unusual for not being attached to the skeleton.  Kidneys and liver are inedible except in desperation, as far as I'm concerned.

--Dave

[Ingmar]

Chopped liver is so good. Not so much the fried stuff.

[Sheepherder]

I am because eating tripe and eating sausage that you "spice the shit out of" isnt exactly the same thing. Nor does that single piece of offal apply to every other thing people have eaten or the history of all plains, peasant, and slave foods.
You can disagree with me all you want, doesnt make me wrong or you right. I enjoy cooking. I enjoy knowing the history and story of the foods I cook. I read cook books, wine histories and things the way other people read novels.

If you have an entire slaughtered pig, because you can't half slaughter a pig, and you're choosing which meat to cook for the feast, and which to grind into sausage, you generally choose to cook the good shit and grind the nasty shit you are otherwise unwilling to eat.  That tripe, liver, brains, kidneys, and other weird shit even exists as a type of food distinguishable from sausage with it's own distinct methods of preparation shows that at some point in time people thought it tasted good, else it would have just been more sausage.

This should not be a hard concept to grasp.

For a non-meat based example look up the pokeweed plant. They are a poisonous plant commonly found through out North America. Despite the poisonous nature of the plant they were cooked and eaten by rural poor people as a source of food because many times they had nothing else to eat. The reason people dont eat it today is that the plant is poisonous. They didnt start eating because of their culture, and people didnt stop eating it due to squeamishness. They ate it because they had nothing else.

Just look at the history of "soul food".

European enslavers fed their captive workers as cheaply as possible, often with leftover/waste foods from the plantation, forcing slaves to make do with the ingredients at hand. In slave households, 'vegetables' consisted of the tops of turnips, beets, and dandelions. Soon, African-American slaves were cooking with new types of "greens": collards, kale, cress, mustard, and pokeweed. They also developed recipes which used lard, cornmeal, and offal; discarded cuts of meat such as pigs' feet, oxtail, ham hocks, chitterlings/"chitlins" (i.e., pigs' small intestines), pig ears, hog jowls, tripe, and skin.

Excepting only pokeweed, every one of those those greens, "new" and otherwise, have been commonly used as food, often as a staple, since prehistory by basically everyone on the face of the earth.  I have no clue where you got that shittastic quote, but you should tell them they fucking suck at history, because they missed, like, all of it.

Oh, and apparently people still eat pokeweed.

[Sand]

 

Yep all the historians are wrong and you are right. Just like you are right about everything else in the world. You must be a true joy at dinner parties.

[Der Helm]

You must be a true joy at dinner parties.

I guess that depends on what is being served. 

[Simond]

That's not true for menudo or pho, though.

But there (with tripe), you're just talking about a cut of meat (muscle tissue) that's only unusual for not being attached to the skeleton.  Kidneys and liver are inedible except in desperation, as far as I'm concerned.

--Dave

Counterpoint:


The only part of a pig you can't eat is the oink.

[Engels]

That has more to do with the search to present novelty for jaded palates than the inherent tastiness of the materials.

--Dave

You couldn't be more wrong. Kidneys in Spain are considered commonplace. Tripe is considered a bit of 'down home cookin', but that doesn't stop them from being served at both truck stops and 'fine dining' establishments. These are not dishes for the idle rich, or the bored palate. They are considered genuinely good tasting. That's the undercurrent of what's bugging me about what Sand and you seem to be saying, that your formed tastes are ubiquitous, and that there's some form of platonic ideal of 'normal'. There just isn't.

[lamaros]

Yep all the historians are wrong and you are right. Just like you are right about everything else in the world. You must be a true joy at dinner parties.

Yeah, no one ate kale before the slaves did.

Until the end of the Middle Ages, kale was one of the most common green vegetables in all of Europe. Curly leafed varieties of cabbage already existed along with flat leafed varieties in Greece in the fourth century BC. These forms, which were referred to by the Romans as Sabellian kale, are considered to be the ancestors of modern kales.

Oh...

If you want to talk about a topic you know nothing at all about you should at least do so without banging on like a fucking turkey.

[lamaros]

You can disagree with me all you want, doesnt make me wrong or you right. I enjoy cooking. I enjoy knowing the history and story of the foods I cook. I read cook books, wine histories and things the way other people read novels.

I hear you a have a really good story about a shark too.

[Sand]

Yep all the historians are wrong and you are right. Just like you are right about everything else in the world. You must be a true joy at dinner parties.

Yeah, no one ate kale before the slaves did.

Until the end of the Middle Ages, kale was one of the most common green vegetables in all of Europe. Curly leafed varieties of cabbage already existed along with flat leafed varieties in Greece in the fourth century BC. These forms, which were referred to by the Romans as Sabellian kale, are considered to be the ancestors of modern kales.

Oh...

If you want to talk about a topic you know nothing at all about you should at least do so without banging on like a fucking turkey.

Awesome so your quote contradicts my quote. About one of the leafy greens mentioned. And what you quoted about the kale is right.
How does that make me a turkey? Oh god Sand posted something I must argue with him.
Collards also mentioned were brought from Africa to Europe and later to North America by slaves.

Wtf about a shark? Troll harder.

[Mosesandstick]

You must be a true joy at dinner parties.

[Sheepherder]

"Collards" is a corruption of coleworts or colewyrts, Anglo-Saxon terms literally meaning "cabbage plants."

The cabbagelike plants are native to the eastern Mediterranean or to Asia Minor. They have been in cultivation for so long, and have been so shifted about by prehistoric traders and migrating tribes, that it is not certain which of those two regions is the origin of the species.

http://aggie-horticulture.tamu.edu/archives/parsons/publications/vegetabletravelers/kale.html

Why do you hate Aryans Sand?

[lamaros]

How does that make me a turkey?

You can disagree with me all you want, doesnt make me wrong or you right. I enjoy cooking. I enjoy knowing the history and story of the foods I cook. I read cook books, wine histories and things the way other people read novels.

Awesome so your quote contradicts my quote. About one of the leafy greens mentioned. And what you quoted about the kale is right.

Keep beating that dead horse though.

[Simond]

Sand, would you eat horse-meat?

[Ingmar]

We wasted a bunch of money making it illegal in California - as if there was some massive trade in horse meat for humans.

[Merusk]

I remember that for some strange reason. 

[Ironwood]

We wasted a bunch of money making it illegal in California - as if there was some massive trade in horse meat for humans.

Wasn't that just because you hated the French ?

[Ingmar]

No, we love France here! This isn't Real America.

Allegedly the reason for it is because horses here aren't regulated like food animals in terms of what sorts of medicines and hormones you can give them etc.

[Yoru]

Sand, would you eat horse-meat?

Foal is fucking delicious. Just have to get that out there.

[Cyrrex]

Sand, would you eat horse-meat?

Foal is fucking delicious. Just have to get that out there.

Why don't you just go eat a cute baby dolphin while you're at it?

[Yoru]

Sand, would you eat horse-meat?

Foal is fucking delicious. Just have to get that out there.

Why don't you just go eat a cute baby dolphin while you're at it?

I've had whale. Does that count?

[Cyrrex]

Only if it was cute whale.  Ugly whale is just fine for eating.

[NiX]

This thread is stupid. You should all be talking about eating endangered tiger and lemurs.

[Sheepherder]

Foal is fucking delicious. Just have to get that out there.

[sinij]

Also, I refuse to Google testicles.  I did that once before and was decidedly unhappy with the results.

Google made you unhappy about testicles?