Beta testing and release chicken

[Sky]

Yeah, in 2011 we'd need a half-dozen people who dislike racing games to shit it up.

[Merusk]

I'm pretty sure that was a thinly-veiled grouse about multiplayer being the primary focus of games these days.  In which case;

[schild]

To make it easier for everyone, how about you just put a link to one of schild's old PS3 exclusive fanboy froth posts in your sig.  Anytime you need to remind yourself of the difference between optimism and raving fanboy lunacy, you can click on it to remind yourself.

That is a pretty amazing thread.

2008.  Things were different then. 

Just looked up 2008, and yup. My attitude towards SWTOR was the same then as it is now. But don't mind me, clearly raving fanboy lunacy only applies to games that are already out (the GT5P thread) vs 284 pages and a 6 page succession thread about a game that isn't out or even in widespread beta that was born from the hellmaw of a team that shouldn't have been allowed to make another MMOG.

[luckton]

... from the hellmaw of a team that shouldn't have been allowed to make another MMOG.

What was Bioware's first?

[Modern Angel]

A not-insignificant portion of WAR's team came over to Bioware once they merged. WAR has the Bioware name on it now, if I'm not mistaken.

[Hawkbit]

The Bioware team collectively /vadernoooooooo at the same time. 

Also, D3 needs to launch.  I'm getting frothy.

[Draegan]

A not-insignificant portion of WAR's team came over to Bioware once they merged. WAR has the Bioware name on it now, if I'm not mistaken.

It doesn't.

[schild]

A not-insignificant portion of WAR's team came over to Bioware once they merged. WAR has the Bioware name on it now, if I'm not mistaken.

A not-insignificant portion of the early SWG-management and Shadowbane team went over as well.

Back then, Bioware Austin wasn't even 1% the Bioware you know and love. Now it might be about 1%. Maybe.

WAR wasn't even on the radar as part of the team when I was trying to make it clear to all of you that this is not f'ing Bioware.

[Modern Angel]

It doesn't.

I went poking around and it doesn't seem quite as clear cut as all that. Not, mind you, that it's as clear cut as I thought, either. Their forums are plastered with Bioware logos, for instance, and they're often referred to as Bioware Mythic in official documents. And they definitely had people migrate over to Austin; I remember the hub bub here when it happened.

My poking around reminded me that the whole sordid mess is presumably going to be handled by the same subscription team that charged WAR subscribers five and six times last year.

[Velorath]

To make it easier for everyone, how about you just put a link to one of schild's old PS3 exclusive fanboy froth posts in your sig.  Anytime you need to remind yourself of the difference between optimism and raving fanboy lunacy, you can click on it to remind yourself.

That is a pretty amazing thread.

2008.  Things were different then. 

Just looked up 2008, and yup. My attitude towards SWTOR was the same then as it is now. But don't mind me, clearly raving fanboy lunacy only applies to games that are already out (the GT5P thread) vs 284 pages and a 6 page succession thread about a game that isn't out or even in widespread beta that was born from the hellmaw of a team that shouldn't have been allowed to make another MMOG.

Yeah, God knows you'd never be a fanboy over a game years prior to its release.  That'd be like getting hyped up over Diablo 3 back in 2008 despite the fact that by the time the game comes out, it will have been over a decade since the last one, and Blizzard North is gone and virtually every person who has a credit on D2 has moved on from Blizzard (which has released exactly one non-WoW product since 2004).

[schild]

Yep, it's exactly like that. Absolutely. Blizzard sent every Blizzard employee away and got rid of a strong heritage of polish and shine and tight game design, moved to a city that has produced a metric boatload of mediocrity in the last decade and proceeded to hire a rogue's gallery of people who aren't fit to run or make a game. And viola, we got Diablo 3.

Exactly like that.

Stop being a dick for the sake of being a dick.

[Soln]

A not-insignificant portion of WAR's team came over to Bioware once they merged. WAR has the Bioware name on it now, if I'm not mistaken.

A not-insignificant portion of the early SWG-management and Shadowbane team went over as well.

Vogel aside, the fact they picked up some MMO blognescenti "devs" from that place still baffles me.  So yeah.  /squirm

[Velorath]

Yep, it's exactly like that. Absolutely. Blizzard sent every Blizzard employee away and got rid of a strong heritage of polish and shine and tight game design, moved to a city that has produced a metric boatload of mediocrity in the last decade and proceeded to hire a rogue's gallery of people who aren't fit to run or make a game. And viola, we got Diablo 3.

Exactly like that.

Stop being a dick for the sake of being a dick.

No, it's not exactly like that.  It's completely different circumstances that are causing Diablo 3 to look more and more like shit each time something is revealed about it.

[schild]

Ok.

[Paelos]

Diablo 3 looks fine, except for the silly armor bits. It won't all be silly armor though.

Even if it is, who cares, LOOT AHOY!