Mists of Pandaria

[Ingmar]

The pet battles won't get cut, they have an actual preview page up which those other cut systems never did I believe.

EDIT: What is with you people and wanting failure porn out of everything? 

[Lakov_Sanite]

This stuff looks fun to me, who cares if it's desperation? It's like you were eating shitty cafeteria food for years and when they finally serve up something halfway decent you turn your nose up at it.

[Ingmar]

Clearly this should have been the playable race:

[Simond]

So scenarios are basically LOTRO skirmishes then?

[Fabricated]

Clearly this should have been the playable race:

I'm the rain cloud.

[Lakov_Sanite]

Monks will not have an auto attack

[Simond]

And challenge modes are gear-normalised heroic speed-runs. Should shut up the "Heroics are too easy" crowd.  

[Evildrider]

It looks like they are throwing alot of random into this expansion.  It's still not enough for me.  I'm just tired of WoW, I'm sure some of my friends will make me come back to try it though.  I just think I'll still be balls deep into TOR at that time.

[Fabricated]

Blizzard: Here's some stuff we got from RIFT and watching pirate TOR streams. Yes we're copying from people who copied from us. We're through the looking glass here.

[Simond]

So yeah, pet battles is Pokemon: the MMO.
Suck it, Nintendo.

[Evildrider]

Wait a second.. is it me or do PVE Scenarios sound like instanced PQ's from Warhammer Online?

[Rokal]

I'd also bet on pokemon being cut before release if any feature will be. Nintendo will never get around to making a pokemon MMO, so I think it'll be awesome if the feature actually makes it.

It seems weird that they expansion was detailed as "No world-ending bad guy, war between the horde and the alliance!" and the expansion doesn't seem to have a pvp focus? Not that I mind a pve focus, but it's a weird way to go.

Monk sounds exactly like what I was hoping it would be. The disciple class in Vanguard was a great concept (dps to build combo points, spend combo points on heals), and I'd like to see it fleshed out in a game that isn't completely broken.

I'm also happy with the class selection for Pandaren.

And challenge modes are gear-normalised heroic speed-runs. Should shut up the "Heroics are too easy" crowd. 

Sounds great!

[koro]

I would be lying if I said I'm not at least a little excited about Pandaria.

But after Cata, I give zero fucks. Sorry Blizzard, maybe next time.

And I thoroughly dislike the ideas for the "new" talent system:

[AcidCat]

Yes they seem to be gutting the whole talent system. 

[sinij]

Mists notes pretty much read like "sorry, sorry, sorry about Cata". Redoing talent trees (again!), severe comeback to casual (valor via dailies), promised multiple paths to best gear (not only raiding!).. I wonder if they are preparing to go F2P as part of Titan release plan and 'casualing' the fuck out of WoW.

[Evildrider]

Well I think they are setting a trend, with every expansion they change the talent trees.

[Amaron]

Basically they're giving you all the mandatory talents for free.   Then they give you some sort of tiers where you can put one point per tier.   Basically an attempt to force more varied builds.   We'll still end up with "best" builds though.

[Paelos]

Tell me when they make the formal apology and fire Kalgan and GC. As long as they are still around, the game will always teeter on the edge of sucking once they get people back in.

[sinij]

The disciple class in Vanguard was a great concept

Or Shaman in Age of Conan - I just couldn't understand why healing should be "put a robe on and stand in the back" that appeals to such little % of population. Most people like to bash things, ideally with big glowing sticks.

[sinij]

Tell me when they make the formal apology and fire Kalgan and GC. As long as they are still around, the game will always teeter on the edge of sucking once they get people back in.

+1

I got semi-excited reading feature set mists, but then remembered that douche GC will still find a way to fuck it up somehow. WoW exists _DESPITE_ having GC as a lead developer.

[Evildrider]

Basically they're giving you all the mandatory talents for free.   Then they give you some sort of tiers where you can put one point per tier.   Basically an attempt to force more varied builds.   We'll still end up with "best" builds though.

So basically we will get like 5 talent points and if you are a Pally you get to choose between the tank talent, heal talent, or dps talent for each tier.   Awesome?  

Why can't they just give us better overall talent trees instead of making it more restrictive.  Wasn't that the biggest bitch when they changed it in Cata?

[Nevermore]

The talent speccing changes sounds terrible.

[Sjofn]

I don't know if this is awesome or ridiculous, I guess both? My head is spinning.

It can be both.

[sinij]

The talent speccing changes sounds terrible.

It isn't as terrible as Cata talents that had so little choice that they might as well be auto-assigned every time you get a point. Old talent trees, where you had an option of going deep into other tree and have "tier caper" abilities were good, but they give up trying to balance them.

[Hutch]

The talent speccing changes sounds terrible.

It isn't as terrible as Cata talents that had so little choice that they might as well be auto-assigned every time you get a point. Old talent trees, where you had an option of going deep into other tree and have "tier caper" abilities were good, but they give up trying to balance them.

This smells like a solution to the problem that they set for themselves, where they raise the level cap in each expansion, and thus have to decide what new talents to add to the tree. Or else, in the case of Cata, revamp the trees, and reduce the frequency that they hand out points.

[Simond]

What on Earth are they doing with the classes? 

[Sjofn]

oh god don't ruin my paladins they are perfect for me right now oh god

[Amaron]

So basically we will get like 5 talent points and if you are a Pally you get to choose between the tank talent, heal talent, or dps talent for each tier.   Awesome?  

No I'm thinking it's going to be better than that at least.   Really it sounds like they are somewhat ripping off what they thought up for D3.    It'll allow different builds but that won't stop cookie cutter.   Even free form games have cookie cutter.

[sinij]

What on Earth are they doing with the classes?  

I don't know for sure, but I am willing to bet Retribution will get redone again and Hunters will still be gimp.

[Montague]

So will World of MapleStorycraft be going F2P? I don't see very many of the target demographic having credit cards.

[sinij]

oh god don't ruin my paladins they are perfect for me right now oh god

You are one of these? You actually like combo points system? Why? You must be one of Cleric-wannabies... 

[Merusk]

Those talent changes killed all "well, maybe.. " left within me.

Really, fuck that noise.  Unless you're going to give AA point ala EQ/ Rift you've now become the most restrictive MMO out there in terms of player decisions about character advancement.  Gear is preset, all abilities are preset and now talents.   Woo player choice.

[koro]

Oh my god it literally is Pokemon.

[Evildrider]

Those talent changes killed all "well, maybe.. " left within me.

Really, fuck that noise.  Unless you're going to give AA point ala EQ/ Rift you've now become the most restrictive MMO out there in terms of player decisions about character advancement.  Gear is preset, all abilities are preset and now talents.   Woo player choice.

But but but, you can change your points whenever you want, like glyphs!   

[Amaron]

oh god don't ruin my paladins they are perfect for me right now oh god

Now that they have a new healer class they should just flat out remove holy.   Let paladins be main spec melee like they're supposed to be.