Bombing in Oslo

[01101010]

So in the last 20-25 years theres been two major terror attacks carried out by non-Muslims compared to the hundreds or even thousands committed by Muslims.  Tim McVeigh...and now this dude.  I don't exactly see this as terror attacks trending towards the white, Christian demographic.  I do, however, see this thread trending towards to the politics forum.

Two? What the fuck are you smoking?

The IRA don't count ... I guess.

[UnSub]

So in the last 20-25 years theres been two major terror attacks carried out by non-Muslims compared to the hundreds or even thousands committed by Muslims.

Citation needed.

There are also numerous factors that go into some attacks outside of religion, unless you see the good Christian nation of Russia being attacked by the evil Muslim state of Chechnya as the total view of that region's current affairs.

[Tale]

Norwegian cops now say the death toll on the island is 80+

"It is now clear that the events have a larger scope than previously thought."

Bear in mind that's kids at a camp.

https://www.politi.no/Kampanje_51.xhtml

[Cheddar]

Norwegian cops now say the death toll on the island is 80+

"It is now clear that the events have a larger scope than previously thought."

80.... citation?

That's... pretty dramatic.

[Xuri]

What. The. Fuck.

[Tale]

I work in the news. You can cite me.

But here's a Norwegian journalist: http://twitter.com/#!/rtege

Al-Jazeera's liveblog: http://blogs.aljazeera.net/liveblog/Norway

Australia's ABC: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-07-23/explosion-rocks-norway-pm27s-office/2807138

[Margalis]

This thread...

SIGH.

Not to make this too political but it started off with "probably Islamic terrorists" and ended up at "a white guy - nope probably not terrorism!" Come on!

Anyway terrible terrible news. 80+! Dear god.

[Tale]

I think this terrorist has set up a line of internet profiles to deliver messages, e.g. his single tweet I linked earlier, plus his Facebook says he's a WoW player, so people look up his character and find it's called "Conservatism" (edit: Conservatism was an Alliance Mage on Silvermoon, profile now removed by Blizzard).

http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/2423043490?page=1

EDIT: Disturbing pic from that thread of the gunman surrounded by dead bodies: http://i53.tinypic.com/23r263t.jpg

[Tale]

Article from yesterday about the summer camp where the shootings took place: http://www.newsinenglish.no/2011/07/21/labours-summer-camp-opens/

[Sheepherder]

So in the last 20-25 years theres been two major terror attacks carried out by non-Muslims compared to the hundreds or even thousands committed by Muslims.  Tim McVeigh...and now this dude.  I don't exactly see this as terror attacks trending towards the white, Christian demographic.  I do, however, see this thread trending towards to the politics forum.

Two? What the fuck are you smoking?

He voted for Steven Harper, his cognitive faculties are suspect.

[Ginaz]

So in the last 20-25 years theres been two major terror attacks carried out by non-Muslims compared to the hundreds or even thousands committed by Muslims.

Citation needed.

There are also numerous factors that go into some attacks outside of religion, unless you see the good Christian nation of Russia being attacked by the evil Muslim state of Chechnya as the total view of that region's current affairs.

Ok.  Find me a comparable number of terror attacks committed by non-Muslims over the last 20-25 years (note the time frame btw) to those of non-Muslims and I'll retract me earlier statement.  Fact is, when we here of terror attacks these days I'm fairly certain the first thing most people speculate is "it was probably done by Islamic extremists".  Even you.  Its well earned speculation.  Most of the victims of terror, sadly, are also Islamic, so it doesn't stick in our heads just how often it happens because its easy to ignore it when its done "over there".  Anyway, it seems this was done by someone who looks like the poster boy for the Aryan super race.  Only way this could be classified as another Islamic extremist attack is if he converted to Islam, like that American guy who was a mouth piece for the Taliban. 

So, the score is now Militant Islamic Jihadists 7323 - Angry White Christian Right Wing Nut Bars 2.  I totally can see how having your first thought about this being done by Islamic terrorists makes someone an Islamaphobe.

[Fordel]

The Norwegian Prime Minister was supposed to be at that camp/rally thing, right?

[Ginaz]

So in the last 20-25 years theres been two major terror attacks carried out by non-Muslims compared to the hundreds or even thousands committed by Muslims.  Tim McVeigh...and now this dude.  I don't exactly see this as terror attacks trending towards the white, Christian demographic.  I do, however, see this thread trending towards to the politics forum.

Two? What the fuck are you smoking?

He voted for Steven Harper, his cognitive faculties are suspect.

You still crying about that?  Those tears must be very stale by now.

[Xuri]

The Norwegian Prime Minister was supposed to be at that camp/rally thing, right?

He wasn't supposed to be there until tomorrow (or possibly even the day after) I think. One former prime minister from the same political party - Gro Harlem Brundtland - was there earlier though, but left the island a few hours before the shooting.

[Teleku]

Fuck, this is horrible.  The death toll at the camp is horrendous, and it deeply saddens me.  Norway is an awesome country, and I can't think of a people who could possible deserve it less (not that anybody deserves this, but still).

I've been trolling the comments section on the WSJ website over the last few hours, since the vast majority of the comments started out as Islamic and Liberal bashing, and now the terrorist turns out to be a right wing christian.  But I just don't have the strength in me any longer, this is to fucked up.  They've moved on too saying how if Norway didn't have such strict gun control, the shooter would have been shot by one of the kids long before he killed so many.  Somebody go over there and troll them harder please.

[Tale]

The Norwegian Prime Minister was supposed to be at that camp/rally thing, right?

Tomorrow. He was going to attend tomorrow.

Blog by a girl who escaped the shooting (in Google Translate): http://t.co/u9jgH1l

WARNING: Graphic and disturbing - video of bodies on the shore: http://youtu.be/W8LAt7mqoa0

P.S. Ginaz, this thread is about the Norway attacks, not your asstasticness.

[sinij]

This thread needs to go into politics.

[Trippy]

So in the last 20-25 years theres been two major terror attacks carried out by non-Muslims compared to the hundreds or even thousands committed by Muslims.

Citation needed.

There are also numerous factors that go into some attacks outside of religion, unless you see the good Christian nation of Russia being attacked by the evil Muslim state of Chechnya as the total view of that region's current affairs.

Ok.  Find me a comparable number of terror attacks committed by non-Muslims over the last 20-25 years (note the time frame btw) to those of non-Muslims and I'll retract me earlier statement.

It's not our job to prove you wrong -- it's your job to prove you are correct.

[Margalis]

Just ignore Ginaz. He's obviously functionally retarded and/or trolling. There is no point in dignifying his moronic obviously false ranting with real responses.

[Ginaz]

So in the last 20-25 years theres been two major terror attacks carried out by non-Muslims compared to the hundreds or even thousands committed by Muslims.

Citation needed.

There are also numerous factors that go into some attacks outside of religion, unless you see the good Christian nation of Russia being attacked by the evil Muslim state of Chechnya as the total view of that region's current affairs.

Ok.  Find me a comparable number of terror attacks committed by non-Muslims over the last 20-25 years (note the time frame btw) to those of non-Muslims and I'll retract me earlier statement.

It's not our job to prove you wrong -- it's your job to prove you are correct.

After doing a little checking, I'll have say that I didn't expect so many terror attacks to have been carried out  by non-Jihadists as I found.  The numbers in Columbia and Sri Lanka were esp. surprising.  However, as far as stating that any large scale terror attack has caused people by default to first assume they are Islamic in nature due to the scale and number of previous attacks, I don't think I'll revise anything.  Far more people have been killed by Islamic terrorists than by anyone else, esp., as I said, in the last 20-25 years.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_battles_and_other_violent_events_by_death_toll#Terrorist_attacks

Anyway, 84 people killed by one guy is truly amazing.  He must have been planning this for months or even years.  Knowing nothing about Norway, I don't understand what he was so pissed about.  Norway is constantly rated as one of the best places in the world to live.  Some of the pictures, esp. the ones from the island the kids were on, are really hard to look at.  Heartbreaking.  Is there any word if the guy is alive or did he kill himself too?

Edit:  Good lord.  Theres already a wiki page on the Oslo bombing and shooting.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Norway_attacks

[Tale]

I managed to load Anders Behring Breivik's comments on the conservative website Document.no and run them through Google Translate. They end last year when he disapproves of the site hiring a reporter instead of using voluntary resources like him.

He's coherent. He's fiercely anti-multiculturalism, which he sees as a form of enforced socialism. He proposes a conservative newspaper and youth movement. He talks about making his "first million" in business and names a friend who owns one of Norway's social media sites.

Here's a comment on his religious views.

2009-12-09 17:14:41

    Here is a nice overview - 10 reasons why the modern church will die:

    http://gkupsidedown.blogspot.com/2009/11/why-modernist-christianity-will-die.html

    I myself am a Protestant and baptized / confirmed to me by my own free will when I was 15

    But today's Protestant church is a joke. Priests in jeans who march for Palestine and churches that look like the minimalist shopping centers. I am a supporter of an indirect collective conversion of the Protestant church back to the Catholic. In the meantime, I vote for the most conservative candidates in church elections.

    The only thing that can save the Protestant church is to go back to basics.

He's a Christian fundamentalist.

[Furiously]

And allegedly a mass murderer.

[Tale]

Ter-ror-ist. In the actual definition of the word, as opposed to resisting occupation or leaking documents.

[K9]

A sad day for Norway; my thoughts are with the families of the victims.

[palmer_eldritch]

Now we know he's not a Muslim can I just point out that blonde, blue-eyed people born in Norway of Norweigan parents can be Muslims.

[Mosesandstick]

Can we stop bringing up Muslims in a thread about a terorrist attack? Theres a place where we discuss that sort of thing.

[luckton]

So has this kid been linked to the bombing or are they still two separate instances that just happened to go simultaneously?

[Tale]

So has this kid been linked to the bombing or are they still two separate instances that just happened to go simultaneously?

Norwegian cops are saying it's likely both events were him. He was seen in Oslo just after the explosion. He ran a farming business which most likely enabled him to stockpile fertiliser for the bomb.

[Khaldun]

You know, the only thing driving this to politics is the one guy who wants to make it about politics.

Let's just stick to tracking the news. Assholes who want to play numbers games are welcome to start a Politics thread.

[apocrypha]

How is this NOT a political subject? A terrorist attack of any kind is, by definition, political. Any discussion about it that takes a single step away from just expressing horror and sympathy for the victims and their families has to take on a political aspect!

I feel tremendous sympathy for the victims, their families and all who are affected by this, it's a monstrous act.

But it's not an act that exists in a vacuum and which came out of nowhere except one crazy guy's derangement. If Anders Behring Breivik is indeed the culprit then his motives and his reasons are important. He was a Christian fundamentalist, filled with Islamophobic hate and who claimed to have been inspired by and had talks with (among others) the EDL - English Defence League, which are an off-shoot of the British National Party.

He targeted people attending a Labour Youth gathering and Norway's main government building. He posted messages on a Norwegian website expressing his admiration for the English Defence League:

(translated from Norwegian)
“I have on some occasions discussed with SIOE [Stop Islamification Of Europe] and EDL and recommended them to use conscious strategies.

The tactics of the EDL is now out to "entice" an overreaction from Jihad Youth / Extreme-Marxists something they have succeeded several times already. Over The reaction has been repeatedly shown on the news which has booster EDLs ranks high.

This has also benefited BNP. WinWin for both.

But I must say I am very impressed with how quickly they have grown but this has to do with smart tactical choice by management.

EDL is an example and a Norwegian version is the only way to prevent Flash / SOS to harass Norwegian cultural conservatives from other fronts. Creating a Norwegian EDL should be No. 3 on the agenda after we have started up a cultural conservative newspaper with national distribution.

The agenda of the Norwegian cultural conservative movement over the next 5 years are therefore:

1 Newspaper with national distribution

2 Working for the control of several NGOs

3 Norwegian EDL”

Oh, and out of interest, the headline of The Sun today? "Norway's 9/11 - Al-Queda massacre". Don't tell me this isn't political every which way there is.

[apop]

The police has evewitness-reports of a man dressed as the shooter being observed in the bomb-area just minutes before the blast. Also, he is the owner of a farm/farming-company and bought 6 metric ton fertilizer two months ago. The Police have searched both his apartment and his farm.

It is strange walking around in Oslo today. Armed police and soliders in the streets have never been a common sight here in Norway.

[Sand]

No one has asked or mentioned this, but if the guy was acting alone who took the picture of him with the bodies and who posted it to his Facebook page?
Maybe I'm missing something cause I'm high as a kite on opiates right now, bit that question leapt out at me.

[snowwy]

In all the sorrow and grief, I'm just "happy" it wasn't a muslim group doing this shit. Norway, in all it's "glory", is in no way a racist-free country. IF it had been AQ-attack, it would have gotten ugly. Fremskrittsparteiet, is pretty much like the conservatives in the US. And with the election in a few months time, would probably gotten 50% of the votes IF it had been an outside job. With the psycho-insider-thing, i hope they are erased from the political map. Fucking nutjobs....

[01101010]

No one has asked or mentioned this, but if the guy was acting alone who took the picture of him with the bodies and who posted it to his Facebook page?
Maybe I'm missing something cause I'm high as a kite on opiates right now, bit that question leapt out at me.

I would assume a news feed that was leaked.

[Tale]

Is this big news in the US? People on Twitter were saying even CNN continued with Casey Anthony stories and all but ignored this, long after it unfolded. Doesn't seem to be generating much discussion here either - major event, two page thread.

If ever there was a country to sit up and take notice of mass, planned, apparently political killings by right-wing Christian fundamentalist nutjobs...