this sight

[Jethro65]

has gone down the tubes.  goodbye.

[Rasix]

Mmm k.

It's "site" too.

Edit: As to the actual status of this site, one can argue it's never been that great in the first place. Yah, it seems to be a shadow of what Waterthread once was, but that's to be expected with near complete reader split.

This spat between Joe, his cock, and #hate does little to help us in a community. In fact, it puts us in a tight spot. We either have to choose between a site that's hemmoraging for ideas, hip posters, and gaming content or a site that's run by a bunch of malcontent, holier-than-thou, intellectual elitist, shitheads that are all pining for a job in the industry.  It's like choosing to starve or flogged to death, neither is a pretty option.

I'm a tad sad over this. End result: I now lurk at one place and post at another. All with about now 1/2 of the posts per day.  Perhaps I'll just have to start reading the rest of the fledgling sites that desperately need some sort of user base (but goddamn anuyuser's site is hard on the eyes).

[Hanzii]

Today my 3 year old knocked her head back into my glasses so hard, while I was tickling her, that they broke - so my sight has gone down the tubes too...

[Morfiend]

And of course, threads like this help it oh so much. Idiot.

[Alluvian]

You and your 3 posts will be SO missed, jackass.

[daveNYC]

Today my 3 year old knocked her head back into my glasses so hard, while I was tickling her, that they broke - so my sight has gone down the tubes too...

Hope you're joking.  Getting my glasses imprinted on my face was one of the more painful things about wearing them.

And what the hell is this about Joe's cock and #hate?  Is there some god-awful soap opera crap going on that I remain blissfully unaware of?

[HaemishM]

And what the hell is this about Joe's cock and #hate?  Is there some god-awful soap opera crap going on that I remain blissfully unaware of?

Yes. Apparently, we suck or something.

[Snowspinner]

This site sucks since Lum left.

[HaemishM]

Don't they all?

[Mediocre]

So the #hate crowd dislikes Joe?

I miss the quantity of posts here, but that's all I miss.

What exactly got them riled up?

[Snowspinner]

He didn't suck their cocks enough.

[nach0king]

They'd probably be able to tell you if they weren't all banned.

I'm just rather tired of this site as I can't post on the gaming fora, despite being an "Acceptable User" on every community incarnation up until this one. So, I'll go to another site where I can post about games without feeling like a pariah or filling in a pointless googletest.

The community feud is damaging, as Rasix said, and neither side is really helping.

[Snowspinner]

Ummm... based on your registration date, you should have just been able to automatically click into acceptable users.

[Calantus]

Eh, you have to manually add yourself into the accepted user's group. I wont say how as that might be against the rules or something.

[Snowspinner]

It was hardly against the rules, what with the telling everybody to do that in the first two weeks...

[Censorship]

Oh, wait, so you miss Boog?  I mean jesus, if you want someone to insult your intelligence, your beliefs and your mangina for nothing else than the sheer pleasure of doing so, by all means hang around #hate or whichever internet locality serves as the rehab center for people so embittered by "The Industry" that they must suck the life out of others so that they too feel their pain.

[Morfiend]

And what the hell is this about Joe's cock and #hate?  Is there some god-awful soap opera crap going on that I remain blissfully unaware of?

http://www.corpnews.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=151

Not sure if linking to corp is "good manners" but thats the answer. All 15 pages of it.

[Hanzii]

I'd take Boog and all the hate over newcomers like Atlas anyday... at least he have points to make in between all the insults and cockwaving.

Me I'll just hang around where most of the intelligent posters settles and hope Schild is to busy being siteowner to actually post anything...

Hope you're joking.  Getting my glasses imprinted on my face was one of the more painful things about wearing them.

Since you're nice enough to care - my glasses are broke and I don't see good without them. My actual eyes are intact (and so is the daughter).

[schild]

http://www.corpnews.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=151

Not sure if linking to corp is "good manners" but thats the answer. All 15 pages of it.

You, sir, have some great fucking avatars.

Me I'll just hang around where most of the intelligent posters settles and hope Schild is to busy being siteowner to actually post anything...

You're welcome.

[Death_Mule]

Oh, wait, so you miss Boog?  I mean jesus, if you want someone to insult your intelligence, your beliefs and your mangina for nothing else than the sheer pleasure of doing so, by all means hang around #hate or whichever internet locality serves as the rehab center for people so embittered by "The Industry" that they must suck the life out of others so that they too feel their pain.

Boog was the first poster to make me laugh out loud at Ltm.  It's hard to forget your first.  I suppose Boog's approach is an aquired taste, but at least he insults posters, unequivocally, in the present, rather than tired, overgeneralized swipes at Koreans, be they gamers or not.

[anarch]

I guess I should I clarify: #hate != Corpnews.com. Just like #hate != wt.org. #hate is just one of many small subsets of our wonderful "community".

As to the Corp vs F13 can you really compare Bucky vs Haemish or Gbob vs Snowspinner? And lets not even discuss the assjackery that is reviewing single episodes of crappy tv shows or some vapid broad throwing an uninsightful me too to an overrated flick.

Maybe f13 will wow us with their incredible E3 coverage...then again you may have to go to Corpnews for that too..

anarch..

[NowhereMan]

I'd wail and moan about the collapse of this fine site but I've been contributing fuck all lately and am therefore not helping in anyway, so I shall keep my peace.

But it's still all Schild's fault.

[Kenrick]

has gone down the tubes.  goodbye.

I dated a girl from Jackson, MS once.  I have since come to the conclusion that everyone from that area is inbred.  Thank you for supporting that hypothesis.  Good day.

[daveNYC]

And what the hell is this about Joe's cock and #hate?  Is there some god-awful soap opera crap going on that I remain blissfully unaware of?

http://www.corpnews.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=151

Not sure if linking to corp is "good manners" but thats the answer. All 15 pages of it.

Sixteen pages.

[Margalis]

I was going to post that THIS thread is retarded, then I read the linked thread. The average IQ displayed there is in the low double digits.

They say the politics are so vile in academics because the stakes are so low. I see the same thing here. My summary of the CorpNews thread is "lol f13 is ghey! (Waaah...why did Joe leave us? Sniff.) Did I miss anything?
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There are a lot of stupid things about this site. Stupid TV reviews that nobody cares about or responds to is certainly one of them. (Hint: When the average number of responses for a review is 2 or so that probably means nobody gives a shit about reviews) But reading CorpNews makes me feel a lot better.

The reality is, the #hate attitude is really self-parody at this point. People complain before they even play a game. "Waahh...they took out this feature! (That sucked, broke the game, and I never got a chance to use anyway)"

How can you take people seriously when they are complaining about games, gasp, changing their systems for the better? Or complaining about the player base of a MMORPG. Read these boards, from the assumed perspective of an outsider, and THEN complain about MMORPG fans in earnest.

Edit: I forgot the most important thing.

I've been on sites where the content they were based on died down. (RTS games, fighting games for example) That is NOT the case here. Despite the constant whine from most of the posters here, the MMORPG genre IS envolving, although most people are too wrapped up in their own complaints to realize that.

The dev time for a MMORPG is years, and people expect overnight change. My friend, who worked on FFXI, calls EVERYTHING before WoW/CoH a 1st gen game.

My take on this is that some people are sick of complaining about MMORPGs, and don't know how to express themselves in any other way. On top of that there is the "I've moved on, lets talk about the TV shows I watch" angle.  "Teh hate" is amusing for a few weeks; I don't see how people have put up with it for literally years. It's a one trick pony. I can't blame Joe for moving on. Talking about "The Shield" is a hell of a lot more interesting than yet another "OMG IT HAS LEVELS AND NO PVP AND NO STORY FORGET IT." (Somehow stretched into 10 paragraphs)

There ARE some things worth discussing about MMORPGs, but I'm not sure here or Corpnews is the place or their posters are the people to be having that discussion. They've dug themselves a rut and damn it, they like it! That's the DEFINITION of Waterthread/CorpNews. The rut.

[shiznitz]

Someone should cache that thread.

[daveNYC]

There were a few other points, a number had to do with the current location of Joe's balls.  Then there was some Us vs. Them bashing (Us people on this site are better than Them vaultards on the other site).  There was some speculation on relativity of certain people, as relevant to Schilds rise to power.  Finally some of the graphic designer types had some opinions of this site's layout/design.  I think that's about it.

The plus side is that I now know where to go for ATITD info.

One final thing: When did colored scroll bars become so popular?

[Snowspinner]

(Hint: When the average number of responses for a review is 2 or so that probably means nobody gives a shit about reviews)

Equally important to the average response is the number of views a thread gets.

The threads have a pretty good, though not great, readership - two notable exceptions that I see, but largely, even the threads which no one posted in got 50-70+ reads. And, in fact, many did better than the thread for the Metal Gear Solid: Twin Snakes review, despite the site ostensibly being a gaming site.

It seems to me that the television reviews, while not the most popular aspect of the site, at least generate an appreciable number of reads. It's just that there's not a hell of a lot to comment on in a review, since the site doesn't have any shows that everybody watches - so there's not likely to be a lot to debate as such.

[Kenrick]

One final thing: When did colored scroll bars become so popular?

1978

[Margalis]

[quote="Snowspinner]
It seems to me that the television reviews, while not the most popular aspect of the site, at least generate an appreciable number of reads. [/quote]

I've clicked on a few myself, but I will stop. Mostly it was just the novelty...ooh, a TV review with "teh hate."

As far as number of views go, the TV reviews average way way less than anything else. I suspect a thread called "click here to read thread" would generate similar numbers.
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It might make more sense at least to identify shows people are interested in and get reviews from people familiar with the show, or review pilots or something like that. Not "last night I watched a random episode of this show and it sucked! LOL"

[Snowspinner]

The television reviews are also not organic to the current site audience.

But we are trying to expand the site's audience, because, frankly, the Lum community has dwindled over the past two and a half years of diaspora, and will go away eventually.

As has been stated before, the site needed toe volve. It's not possible to pull in new readers without content. So one expects that the content would precede the readers.

After all, there was http://web.archive.org/web/19971221012817/http://slashdot.org/">a time when that "geek news" thing wasn't exactly popular either.

[HaemishM]

has gone down the tubes.  goodbye.

I dated a girl from Jackson, MS once.  I have since come to the conclusion that everyone from that area is inbred.  Thank you for supporting that hypothesis.  Good day.

Does that include me too?

[Kenrick]

has gone down the tubes.  goodbye.

I dated a girl from Jackson, MS once.  I have since come to the conclusion that everyone from that area is inbred.  Thank you for supporting that hypothesis.  Good day.

Does that include me too?

No, your last name is scottish.   You're ok.

[Mesozoic]

A thread on WT about a thread on Corp about WT.  Its like we're sucking our own cock, without the happy ending.

[cerberus]

so they went to corpnews, eh?

Well I'll take the active asinine community over the inactive bland community. You know joe, many of us would have been willing to continue the waterthread boards and pay for the hosting ourselves. Would have been a better resolution.

anyway, free, free at last.