Battlefield 3

[Speedy Cerviche]

I'm not even loving the gameplay here. The whole genre of online shooters is unbelievably stagnant, and after Brink flopping, all we're going to see for the perceivable future is douchy "military" shooters like this (because military apparently means pretend jargon and gun porn).

This is why it's so jaw droppingly weird how this "open beta" is being handled. If they're trying to show off how great and next gen BF3 is they should be doing it with a polished demo on one of the games' best combined arms maps, with all features enabled...Instead 3 weeks before release, they are publicly running it on a 3 month old obsolete and glitchy build, with (official) servers that clearly have stability issues, on a narrow focused no-vehicle map, with their great destructable environment physics disabled? wth? may as well be playing counterstrike.

You'd think with a 100 million dollar marketing budget they woulda thought this part through a little better.

[tgr]

Isn't this par for the course for dice though?

[Mrbloodworth]

You'd think with a 100 million dollar marketing budget they woulda thought this part through a little better.

No, because they will make millions anyway.

[Engels]

I don't think that Haemish fully understood the situation. I joined a 'modded' server entirely by accident -because it was just the first on the danged list of available servers-. There was no indication that it wasn't 'official'. I just thought to myself, "Cool, over 32 players, that rules!" and joined it.

[tgr]

Evil hacker. You must die now.

[HaemishM]

No, you are correct, I wasn't aware that the modded servers were just things that upped the player limits. I'm also a bit butthurt over how bad some of the cheating has been in previous DICE games. DICE seems to have continually bungled aspects of this beta - leaking the password to a new build on a server playing a map not available in the main beta, letting modded servers into the server list.

I still want them to ban Origin accounts found to be hacking in release.

[kildorn]

I'd prefer a VAC ban style. Hack in an Origin hosted game? No more multiplayer for you, ever. But single player is still fine.

[NiX]

I'm not even loving the gameplay here. The whole genre of online shooters is unbelievably stagnant, and after Brink flopping, all we're going to see for the perceivable future is douchy "military" shooters like this (because military apparently means pretend jargon and gun porn).

This is why it's so jaw droppingly weird how this "open beta" is being handled. If they're trying to show off how great and next gen BF3 is they should be doing it with a polished demo on one of the games' best combined arms maps, with all features enabled...Instead 3 weeks before release, they are publicly running it on a 3 month old obsolete and glitchy build, with (official) servers that clearly have stability issues, on a narrow focused no-vehicle map, with their great destructable environment physics disabled? wth? may as well be playing counterstrike.

You'd think with a 100 million dollar marketing budget they woulda thought this part through a little better.

Given their attitude over the course of their marketing campaign, it seems like they've let far too much arrogance get in.

[kildorn]

Their community dude is... not very good at his job, to say the least. I can understand being frustrated and stressed out, but he's basically ranting via official company communication devices at the playerbase.

This beta as a test of battlelog may be going well, but as an open beta marketing gimmick, it's basically been saying "seriously, this game is so much better if only you were playing the other build! We swear! Please don't let this be your first impression!"

[Sheepherder]

If you actually read the damn words the DICE guy is posting, he's not saying you will get banned for joining a hacked server, he's saying that as a result your account may be compromised and that could get you banned.

[tgr]

Same shit, different wording.

[kildorn]

If you actually read the damn words the DICE guy is posting, he's not saying you will get banned for joining a hacked server, he's saying that as a result your account may be compromised and that could get you banned.

If you'd read, he goes beyond "account compromised", and into "or stats altered, or other issues may arise that will lead to the banning of your origin account"

In other words, he's sending the least subtle message ever: play on modded servers, and we might block your origin account. They probably won't, because lolshitstorm, but they're clearly threatening it. And they're clearly threatening it because *drumroll* their community manager is kind of a dick, and actually admitting there's a problem where battlelog is allowing modded servers into the list would be admitting partial fault, and DICE doesn't admit their mistakes.

[snowwy]

Why even bother in this place. If it's not Minecraft , it sucks Donkey balls regardless. Just let it go and enjoy ( and i agree on some of the shit they always pull off, but c'mon......)

[sinij]

Sorry for having standards, snowwy. Feel free to fuck off if you don't like how things are "in this place".

[tgr]

Why even bother in this place. If it's not Minecraft , it sucks Donkey balls regardless. Just let it go and enjoy ( and i agree on some of the shit they always pull off, but c'mon......)

Huh? Are you seriously saying that the only game we like here at f13 is minecraft?

[sinij]

Speak for yourself tgr, personally I don't like minecraft that much.

[Rasix]

Just ignore; snowwy's last 2 posts have been gibberish.  Drunk posting is my guess at this point.

[Sheepherder]

Same shit, different wording.

Uhh, no.  The one wording would imply that they're being dicks, the other wording implies that your connection to their servers is likely being used for a DDOS or CSRF attack and they really don't appreciate that.

[tgr]

Uhh, no.  The one wording would imply that they're being dicks, the other wording implies that your connection to their servers is likely being used for a DDOS or CSRF attack and they really don't appreciate that.

How is "your connection to their servers" going to be used for a DDOS or a CSRF?

[Pringles]

I like this game when everything works.

Just have to hope that everything works, at least most of the time, when it is finally released, but you know... DICE.  

[kildorn]

I just heard that Caspian is going live this weekend for the full beta, if people are still interested in this. Actually tanks and jets and shit in your battlefield.

[Ginaz]

Just played a game on the new map...or tried to play.  The lag is horrible and makes it unplayable.   I know its beta, but its kind of hard to test anything when you can't play.  I'll wait till they get their shit sorted out before I try again.  The only positive I saw was that it was a large 64 player map.  Suck on that console kiddies!!!

[kildorn]

I had no issues on the *state name* Gameservers named systems. Other ones? Lagged to shit. Caspian obviously requires dickloads more server horsepower.

That said, all my complaints about battlelog and Dice haven't faded, but Caspian actually feels like a battlefield game. Shit going on everywhere, tanks and helis all over the place, mass chaos.

[Miasma]

Just went through all the annoying shit you have to do to play this game on the PC.  Now the matchmaking circle just spins forever.  Yay.

[Azazel]

Anyone heard of the NVIDIA beta drivers fucking up any of their other games software? I'm always paranoid about shit like that - had it happen too many times in the past.

[Sheepherder]

Uhh, no.  The one wording would imply that they're being dicks, the other wording implies that your connection to their servers is likely being used for a DDOS or CSRF attack and they really don't appreciate that.

How is "your connection to their servers" going to be used for a DDOS or a CSRF?

The fact that playing on one of these hacked maps can allegedly be used to dupe your account's stats, or steal password information, should indicate to you that the hacked servers are capable of running scripts.  Unless it's DICE that has been compromised, which I guess is not outside the realm of possibility.

[kildorn]

Anyone heard of the NVIDIA beta drivers fucking up any of their other games software? I'm always paranoid about shit like that - had it happen too many times in the past.

As I understand it, the BF3 and Rage beta drivers conflict badly. But I've heard nothing else odd about it.

[Pennilenko]

Anyone heard of the NVIDIA beta drivers fucking up any of their other games software? I'm always paranoid about shit like that - had it happen too many times in the past.

The Nvidia beta drivers fucked up Playready, the DRM for media center tv tuners.

[tgr]

Uhh, no.  The one wording would imply that they're being dicks, the other wording implies that your connection to their servers is likely being used for a DDOS or CSRF attack and they really don't appreciate that.

How is "your connection to their servers" going to be used for a DDOS or a CSRF?

The fact that playing on one of these hacked maps can allegedly be used to dupe your account's stats, or steal password information, should indicate to you that the hacked servers are capable of running scripts.  Unless it's DICE that has been compromised, which I guess is not outside the realm of possibility.

The fact they're able to dupe your account's stats is because it's the server's responsibility to keep track of stats, which makes it obvious that they're able to tell the central server that you've killed 500 people and died 0 times during that session. Stealing password information? That's DICE being absolute shit at protocol design. I've no problems seeing these things, but what I have a problem with is the "DDOS and CSRF" aspect of it. Both implies that the hacked servers can get the client to do things it shouldn't, and would imply to me that DICE were literally dangerously incompetent.

I mean, beyond the fact they already have.

[Miasma]

This origin plus browser setup is a piece of shit.  I am not "already matchmaking" you fucking asshole of an application.  Uninstalling after all that without ever having managed to play.

[Sheepherder]

Stealing password information? That's DICE being absolute shit at protocol design. I've no problems seeing these things, but what I have a problem with is the "DDOS and CSRF" aspect of it. Both implies that the hacked servers can get the client to do things it shouldn't, and would imply to me that DICE were literally dangerously incompetent.

I mean, beyond the fact they already have.

Yes, that could be true.  "We're routing your account information through insecure third party servers with a protocol that's already been hacked" is hardly more reassuring than the hackers just being able to run malicious scripts on your box.

[tgr]

Yes, that could be true.  "We're routing your account information through insecure third party servers with a protocol that's already been hacked" is hardly more reassuring than the hackers just being able to run malicious scripts on your box.

Apart from the much wider implication that running malicious scripts on my box has.

If I suspect some dweeb has the username and password to an internet service, I'll have to change the password of that service. If they've had illegal access to my entire box, I'll have to reinstall it and change all passwords I ever use, just to be on the safe side. Or risk sitting with a machine infested with keyloggers.

[Furiously]

I gave it a try today.... Seemed a lot more like COD than BF.

[snowwy]

I gave it a try today.... Seemed a lot more like COD than BF.

Try Caspian Border map and say that again....i dare you

[Azazel]

Damn. I love the Battlefield franchise more than huge chunks of my own family yet this combination of Origin + fucked up beta drivers has stopped me from even trying it out. Compare this to the Steam-run beta of BC2 which had me permanently living in a bombed out small town in the snow next to a hill covered in Russians...