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ghost
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Its the first of many coaches who see the Big East as the sinking ship it is.
Everyone sees it as a sinking ship. Just not everyone is vocalizing it.
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01101010
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You call it an accident. I call it justice.
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Actually, Graham is just a dick. He did the same shit to Rice. As soon as something he thinks is better comes along, he bails... only this time, he did it via text message. I am still laughing.
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Paelos
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Actually, Graham is just a dick. He did the same shit to Rice. As soon as something he thinks is better comes along, he bails... only this time, he did it via text message. I am still laughing.
That's a dick move for sure, but he's going to Arizona State. I mean, do they honestly believe he's the answer? I get the feeling that program is run by a team of students who take turns at playing GM.
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Well, it certainly was a strong 6-6 for Pitt last year. 
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I mean, if you're an Arizona fan, you have to be just going totally  over this move. It would be like if Georgia Tech hire him. I'd pat those guys on the head and go, GOOD FOR YOUUUUUUUU!
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Its the first of many coaches who see the Big East as the sinking ship it is.
But Pitt is moving to the ACC. On Graham, I don't understand the appeal. And Graham was panic choice #2 post-Wannstedt, after the 1st choice was arrested on domestic violence charges. Sometime soon, if he hasn’t done it already, Todd Graham is going to give the same speech to the Arizona media that he gave to the Pittsburgh media 11 months ago.
He’s going to say that the Arizona State job is a dream job and that he is committed to turning the program around and blah, blah, blah.
And it will be the same steaming pile of horse shit that he left on the floor in the Pitt conference room.
Pitt losing Graham is ridiculous and pathetic enough but the fact that someone else is committing it’s program to him is even worse. (A little birdie told me that Graham had been asking why everybody around here made such a big deal about the Steelers.)
This is a guy who changed everything — including the decor at Pitt football headquarters on the South Side –at Pitt. He blew up a system that had been in place for several years and replaced it with an entirely different and radical philosophy.
How about all the time that all of those players spent getting the team used to running a play every 20 seconds?
What about the commitment that this weasel demanded from his players? And he tells them goodbye with a text message?
And Arizona State is happy to have this used car salesman as its head coach?
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Paelos
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Ah yes, Pitt is moving to the ACC. That makes this even funnier. Hell, if Georgia Tech can win that ridiculous division I'm sure they can given a few years.
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Its the first of many coaches who see the Big East as the sinking ship it is.
But Pitt is moving to the ACC. On Graham, I don't understand the appeal. And Graham was panic choice #2 post-Wannstedt, after the 1st choice was arrested on domestic violence charges. Sometime soon, if he hasn’t done it already, Todd Graham is going to give the same speech to the Arizona media that he gave to the Pittsburgh media 11 months ago.
He’s going to say that the Arizona State job is a dream job and that he is committed to turning the program around and blah, blah, blah.
And it will be the same steaming pile of horse shit that he left on the floor in the Pitt conference room.
Pitt losing Graham is ridiculous and pathetic enough but the fact that someone else is committing it’s program to him is even worse. (A little birdie told me that Graham had been asking why everybody around here made such a big deal about the Steelers.)
This is a guy who changed everything — including the decor at Pitt football headquarters on the South Side –at Pitt. He blew up a system that had been in place for several years and replaced it with an entirely different and radical philosophy.
How about all the time that all of those players spent getting the team used to running a play every 20 seconds?
What about the commitment that this weasel demanded from his players? And he tells them goodbye with a text message?
And Arizona State is happy to have this used car salesman as its head coach?
Like I said, it was a very strong 6-6 record this year.
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It's D-Day for tOSU on Tuesday. This should be interesting. I fully expect a light slap on the wrist. Urban Meyer wouldn't have taken the job if he was going into a program demolition type situation.
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They will get special treatment. No doubt.
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Wondering if the U of M and Penn State maddness had any effect on the outcome that is coming. Midway through I could see the NCAA say, "you know, they violated the rules, but they didn't go bat shit crazy like what is going on elsewhere."
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Paelos
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It's a fair punishment. They deserve to lose a bowl for being allowed to play in that game right after the scandal hit.
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It's a fair punishment. They deserve to lose a bowl for being allowed to play in that game right after the scandal hit.
I think they deserve to lose 2 for going ahead and playing, even though they knew shit was coming down on them. That was just arrogance.
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Paelos
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The NCAA cleared it though. So they get to take some of the blame for that.
One is enough, especially with a new coach.
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Not unexpected, with the media leading the drumbeat for stiffer penalties. Fine, we'll take our medicine. So given that and USC's punishments as reference, what's going to happen to Miami?
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This stuff coming out about Richt giving his own money to coaches sounds stupid to me. That shouldn't be a big deal in this particular scenario.
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Paelos
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This stuff coming out about Richt giving his own money to coaches sounds stupid to me. That shouldn't be a big deal in this particular scenario.
It's not. Especially considering it wasn't related to recruiting.
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It sounds like the media wants to make it a big deal though, and that could spell trouble.
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While it would be really cool if Matt Barkley would return for next year, I will have to seriously doubt his sanity if he does. He's going to be a nice pro prospect this year, but I don't think he can improve his draft status much by returning.
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While it would be really cool if Matt Barkley would return for next year, I will have to seriously doubt his sanity if he does. He's going to be a nice pro prospect this year, but I don't think he can improve his draft status much by returning. I disagree, this year's qb crop is pretty deep and USC is going to be very strong (and not on probation) next year. He also got better as this season went on but he still is not nearly as good at managing the game as the other guys who are going to be in the draft this year.
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It's a deceptive draft for QBs. There aren't as many great prospects as you might think.
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It is all academic now as Barkley said he is stayin in skool.
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Paelos
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Maybe someone told him USC Qbs are turrible in the NFL
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« Last Edit: December 23, 2011, 06:52:14 AM by Paelos »
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Whatever they told him his advisors gave him some bad advice. He would have probably been a top 10 pick.
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Paelos
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Whatever they told him his advisors gave him some bad advice. He would have probably been a top 10 pick.
Used to be a bigger deal than it is now. The new payscale is going to impact decisionmaking if you aren't top 3.
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Should I just point out here that after watching that game with Boise and ASU, Arizona State is totally fucked next season.
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Whatever they told him his advisors gave him some bad advice. He would have probably been a top 10 pick.
Used to be a bigger deal than it is now. The new payscale is going to impact decisionmaking if you aren't top 3. He apparently doesn't NEED the money, and if USC can reach a bowl game next year, he gets the experience of competing for a bowl and competing for the Heisman where he'll probably be considered the frontrunner. And he's still going to get paid provided he doesn't break something or totally suck next year. I don't see it as a bad decision.
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I think it's a terrible decision for exactly the reason Paelos outlined above: USC quarterbacks tend to suck ass in the NFL. It's one more year for the NFL scouts and media to scrutinize him. This should all be tempered by the fact that I'm very happy that he returned because I like USC's football team. My wife's family are huge fans and we might get to go to a BCS game! 
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Who gives a shit if USC quarterbacks have historically sucked in the NFL? QBs from big name schools (especially Heisman winners) have historically sucked just as much as the guys from USC but they still get drafted high and paid the big bucks.
Shit, of the 29 Heisman winners who played QB in college only 2 are in the hall of fame and Paul Hornung is in the hall for being a running back. Only Staubach and Plunkett have led their teams to a Superbowl victory.
The kids who get drafted high as quarterbacks aost always come from big name schools, the best QBs in the league over the last few years (with the exception of Peyton Manning who played at Tennessee in their power years) have been lower picks from less "famous" football schools. (ok Michigan is a big name but Brady was a fairly low pick)
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I think Barkley's value will remain unchanged. He's already got a scouting report with a fair amount of negatives attached to it. He's pretty much just a less retarded version of Mark Sanchez, and that alone will ensure that he stays in the top 10. Well, unless he gets injured, then all bets are off. Even if he has a rotten year, and that's not a good bet given the state of Pac 12 secondaries, he'll be drafted about the same. He's been in a pro style offense and will be able to start right away for anyone that drafts him. Should I just point out here that after watching that game with Boise and ASU, Arizona State is totally fucked next season.
They'll have their QB for another year, which will help and Burfect may have trashed his draft status hard enough this year to come back and try and prove himself. Guy is an illiterate nutbag, however, and a bad day away from getting suspended for the year. ASU will have some talent on both sides of the ball, it just remains to be seen if they can keep it together mentally for an entire season.
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« Last Edit: December 23, 2011, 05:57:20 PM by Rasix »
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It really depends on the year Barkley has. He could very easily be the top pick next year with a stellar season. I don't see him falling beyond 10 unless he gets injured.
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They'll have their QB for another year, which will help and Burfect may have trashed his draft status hard enough this year to come back and try and prove himself. Were I the incoming head coach, the first thing I'd do is bitchslap that QB upside the head with a dose of reality. That shit he pulled during the bowl game by waving off the punt team knowing his coach was getting fired was classless.
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If the player and his family can afford it, I like to see guys stay in school. College is a unique experience, and it has to be extra fun when you are a scholarship athlete getting treated like royalty all over the place. Also doesn't hurt their long term pro potential either...joining the league more mature and experienced is a lot better for the player and the team they join in the long run.
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I absolutely love seeing them stay four years. Plus there is a benefit to guys like Barkley that, even if he doesn't make it in the NFL, he'll still be a leg up when it comes to endorsements around the program. If I was the coach though, I think it would be tough to tell the guy that it would be in his best interest to stay in school. They'll make more than enough money to pay for a year of college if they want to finish.
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