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I certainly don't buy Arkansas with no Mallet.

Recognized physical causes for rhabdomyolysis:[1]

    * Traumatic compression of muscles: crush syndrome (e.g., in earthquakes), car accident, confinement in a fixed position (e.g. after a stroke, due to drunkenness or in prolonged surgery), physical torture or abuse
    * Obstruction of blood supply to muscles: arterial thrombosis (blood clots forming locally) or embolism (clots or other debris from elsewhere in the body), clamping of an artery during surgery, generally reduced blood supply in shock or sepsis (due to any cause)
    * Excessive muscle strain or activity: extreme physical exercise (particularly when poorly hydrated), delirium tremens (alcohol withdrawal), tetanus, prolonged seizures or status epilepticus
    * Electrical: lightning, high-voltage electric shock, including electroshock weapon injuries[5]

Non-physical causes

Non-physical causes reported to cause rhabdomyolysis include:[1]

    * Disorders of muscle energy supply (usually hereditary enzyme problems): carnitine deficiency, CPT type I or type II deficiency, McArdle's disease, various defects in the mitochondrial respiratory chain, phosphofructokinase deficiency, VLCAD deficiency[6]
    * Poisons such as heavy metals and venom from insects or snakes
    * Foodborne toxins (e.g., coniine from quail that have consumed hemlock (coturnism),[7] Tricholoma equestre mushrooms in France and Poland,[8] and an unidentified toxin in fish (Haff disease)[9]))
    * Drugs of abuse,[10] including: ethanol,[11] methamphetamines,[12] cocaine,[13] heroin,[14] phencyclidine (PCP),[15] ketamine,[16] and MDMA (ecstasy)[17][18]
    * Medications:
          o Statins, especially when prescribed in combination with fibrates. Cerivastatin (Baycol) was withdrawn in 2001 after numerous reports of rhabdomyolysis. Other statins have a small risk of 0.44 cases per 10,000 patients annually, which increases to 5.98 if a fibrate is added.[19] However, other studies detected no increased risk from statins.[20]
          o Anti-psychotic medications may cause neuroleptic malignant syndrome, which can cause severe muscle rigidity with rhabdomyolysis and hyperpyrexia.
          o Neuromuscular blocking agents used in anesthesia may cause malignant hyperthermia, also associated with rhabdomyolysis.
          o Medications that interfere with potassium levels (e.g., diuretics)
    * Infections: Coxsackie virus, Plasmodium falciparum (malaria), herpes viruses, Legionella pneumophila, Salmonella and Francisella tularensis (tularemia)
    * Electrolyte and metabolic disturbances: increased plasma osmolality, hyper- and hyponatremia (elevated or reduced blood sodium levels), hypokalemia (low potassium levels), hypocalcemia (low calcium levels), hypophosphatemia (low phosphate levels), ketoacidosis (e.g., in diabetes) or hypothyroidism (abnormally low thyroid function)
    * Autoimmune muscle damage: polymyositis, dermatomyositis

You were right about the dog, Paelos. 

Easley suspended indefinitely (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=6100830).  I would expect this not to be a lengthy decision though.

Clowney to South Carolina.

Damnit.

Probably a few people that live in Alabama. 

If you want to talk about the shitty loser school in the Pac 10, it is Washington State.

Football is king, and that's what the thread is about.

Rednecks. Every SEC team has them, and you just hope they don't do something REALLY stupid during the year.

Auburn.

That would be a good start. Waiting for news on LSU and Alabama too...Sabin has got to be up to something, that smarmy fucker. I think basketball is even worse, btw. Rick Pitino is so dirty he should be in Congress.

Tressel was aware that his players were breaking the rules (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/football/ncaa/03/07/ohio.state.tressel.ap/index.html?eref=sihp).

This doesn't sound like a great thing for OSU.

Wasn't that a great idea to let all of those players suit up for the Sugar Bowl?

Tressel also got fined 250,000 bucks, so it wasn't just a 2 game suspension.  What's he make a year?  3 mil or more?  Won't hurt him that much but 250K is still 250K.

The money hurts, but he was fined by the school. I'm sure they can find a way to repay him.

Not that it matters, but I want that Sugar Bowl victory tossed out. They had zero chance of beating Arkansas if the players involved were rightly suspended. It's disgusting that they lobbied and even the Bowl officials lobbied to let them play, all the while knowing they were all guilty as hell.

Disclaimer: I'm a Buckeye fan. When the news about the players broke, back in December, I was momentarily worried that they wouldn't get to play in the bowl game. If the NCAA had had the stones to suspend them from that game, I would have been disappointed, but at the same time, I'd have respected the decision as a principled one. As it is, I can't respect them for anything they might do to Tressel now, beyond what the university has already done.

Maybe the fans that aren't alumni will get fed up, I expect attrition would still be pretty darn low amongst people with actual ties to the institutions.

http://www.sbnation.com/ncaa-football/2011/3/9/2038929/jim-tressel-emails-suspension-drug-trafficking-ncaa-investigation

Take a step back from putting his head on a pike and look at the reality:  Tressel made a judgement call.  He was asked to keep this confidential because it was a federal drug investigation, and he did.  Was it the right call?  No, he should have contacted his personal attorney on the matter, but it doesn't warrant the shit being piled on the guy.  It's nothing even in the realm of bullshit Richrod or Pete Carroll pulled, not to mention the Cam Newton Heisman scam.  

Lots of people like to hate on OSU because the fact is that its a good program.  Just like how people hate the Steelers... it's because they're good.  Nothing's going to stop you guys from being set in your ways, though.  Have at it.

EDIT:  I'm a fan and not an alum, and I'm saying that support in this city is at 85% last night to keep him on.  It's the media that is drumming this bullshit up and making it into a much bigger deal than it needs to be.  

That's fine, you're right.  Again, he made a judgement call and it was the wrong one.  He's paying the penalty for it, but it doesn't warrant being fired over.  Fuck, he didn't even do anything - the whole thing was initiated by players!!

Doesn't matter if he does anything or not. He's the coach of young college athletes, and he's supposed to not only set a good example, he's supposed to keep his players' noses clean. If he's got rampant fucked up shit going on, and let's face it, he's had stuff going back as far as at least Maurice Clarett, then he's accountable for the fucked up shit his players do, as well as the atmosphere around those players where boosters are giving money and gifts they shouldn't be giving to the players. If you are the coach and the AD, and your program is fucked up for years, you both should be fired.

But the NCAA won't do it, the school won't do it because they are winning and making money.

What you see in the press is nothing... it makes me shudder to think how much worse things have gotten knowing what I saw first hand 20+ years ago. 

Do you really think things have changed that much? 

I'm just pissed I never got my free Rolex. 

You're a dentist.  Go buy one.   :grin:

I think it's coincidence. He hated Jeremy Foley at Florida and was tired of his shit. That being said, he ain't retired.

Clearly, though, something is amiss at BYU, where around 23 percent of the athletes are minorities, according to the university. Only .6 percent of the student body is black (176 out of the 32,947 students enrolled in 2010). Yet a majority of the honor code violations involve black athletes. Do these numbers mean these athletes "sin" more than everyone else? Hardly. Several former BYU football players told us that their white teammates routinely broke the honor code and got away with it, either because they didn't get caught or because their violations were covered up.

They are Mormons, what did you expect?

I expected them to be racist dickbags. 

Updyke was punched in the head, and believes there was more than one person involved, but didn't see who did it, Elkins said. The gas station did not have surveillance video.

I divert your attention away from the Alabama v Auburn insanity stupidity to bring you this (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=6381701).

It will only really be lawl if they still get a scholarship offer from UGA.

Are you really surprised?  This is Alabama football we're talking about here.  You good and well this sort of thing is the norm around here.   I would have preferred to have had it done after he retired, but I'm probably one of the few Bama fans/alum that think that. 

Actually, the fact that you put up a statue isn't shocking. A bust of the coach in the whatever would have been fine. A 9 foot statue surprised me. That's incredibly bad luck in my view, but whatever. Not to mention the dude's like 5'9" in heels.

Good news for Pac-12 schools:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/05/03/SPR91JB9EI.DTL

$21 million/year each from the new TV deal, up from $6 million.

Bill Hancock, the BCS executive director, was confident the current system complies with the law.

"Goodness gracious, with all that's going on in the world right now and with national and state budgets being what they are, it seems like a waste of taxpayers' money to have the government looking into how college football games are played," he said.

Holy cow...

And the hits just keep on coming for Ohio State... (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=6499662)

Hell, Boise State just got nailed with a lack of institutional control.

Meanwhile, as part of his punishment for not revealing his knowledge of his players' NCAA violations, Ohio State coach Jim Tressel will attend a five-day compliance seminar in June in Tampa, Fla. Ohio State spokesman Jim Lynch confirmed Saturday that Tressel would take part in the NCAA-sponsored event June 6-10 at a resort hotel on the waterfront.

WASHINGTON -- At the cost of a $1 million fine, the Tostitos Fiesta Bowl will keep its place in the Bowl Championship Series.

The BCS presidential oversight committee imposed the penalty Wednesday in the wake of a scandal at the Arizona-based game that included apparently illegal campaign contributions from staff and lavish spending by the former CEO on parties and a night at a strip club.

Under the ruling, the Fiesta Bowl can remain part of the system for deciding college football's national champion, though in addition to the fine it must also meet certain BCS demands such as strengthening the Fiesta Bowl's board and imposing greater supervision over bowl executives.

"The message is they had cleaned house and addressed their problems, but our group doesn't believe they went far enough," Bill Hancock, executive director of the BCS, said in a telephone interview. He added that the $1 million fine was meant to reflect the "serious nature of the matter."

The BCS called for the money to be donated to charities serving Arizona youth.

In a statement, Fiesta Bowl chairman Duane Woods said: "The Fiesta Bowl Board of Directors understands and accepts the sanctions imposed by the BCS. We think that these tough but fair measures are consistent with our commitment to reform the Fiesta Bowl's governance and rebuild trust. The fine is substantial, but we are pleased that the BCS has directed that the funds benefit the youth of Arizona."

The bowl shouldn't have much trouble coming up with the cash. In a filing with the IRS this year, the Fiesta Bowl listed more than $15 million in net assets.

A recent internal report by the Fiesta Bowl detailed about $45,000 in reimbursements to employees for political donations, an apparent violation of federal and state laws. It also revealed inappropriate spending, such as $33,000 for a Pebble Beach, Calif., birthday bash for then-CEO and president John Junker; $13,000 for the wedding and honeymoon of an aide; and a $1,200 strip club tab for Junker and two others. Junker has been fired.

The oversight committee Wednesday accepted recommendations made in a report by a BCS task force, which said it was "deeply troubled" by the Fiesta Bowl's actions. Those actions, the task force said, strongly suggest "that the bowl's executive staff frequently acted with scant regard for ethics and proper conduct. Further, it is the opinion of the task force that the bowl's board of directors over the years was negligent in its oversight responsibilities."

Both the task force and the oversight committee are chaired by Penn State president Graham Spanier.

The Fiesta Bowl, played at University of Phoenix Stadium in Glendale, Ariz., is one of four bowls that rotate hosting the BCS national title game, along with the Orange, Sugar and Rose Bowls.

Even with Wednesday's ruling, the Fiesta Bowl is not entirely in the clear yet. An NCAA panel will decide whether to continue licensing the bowl. That panel recently delayed the decision, saying it wanted to gather more information and review the BCS task force findings. The NCAA also said it will re-examine its role in licensing bowls more generally and has put a three-year hold on any new postseason games following the Fiesta Bowl's problems.

NCAA spokesman Bob Williams called the BCS actions on the Fiesta Bowl "serious and constructive," adding that the NCAA panel will meet next week to consider licensing of the Fiesta Bowl and the Insight Bowl, a minor postseason game run by the same organization.

Matthew Sanderson, a founder of Playoff PAC, which advocates switching to a playoff system to determine a national college football champion, noted that Junker made $674,000, in addition to running up extravagant expenses.

"They fired John Junker and paid a million-dollar fine -- I'd say the Fiesta Bowl probably came out ahead," he said. "I'd say it was a profit-making move for the Fiesta Bowl."

Sanderson accused the BCS officials of a "rush to judgment. It was an effort to get a very bad headline out of the way as soon as possible, in the offseason. They should have taken a harder look at it."

In a tax complaint filed last year, Playoff PAC alleged that the Fiesta, Orange and Sugar Bowls violated their tax-exempt status by inappropriate spending and other activities. Sanderson said that the BCS undermined its credibility by not looking at the other bowls.

The Fiesta Bowl's struggles were being closely watched by the Cotton Bowl, which is widely considered next in line to move into the BCS and has moved from its antiquated former home into the $1.3 billion Cowboys Stadium outside Dallas. Cotton Bowl president Rick Baker said in a statement his bowl respects Wednesday's decision.

The internal report on the Fiesta Bowl was conducted by an outside law firm, but Hancock rejected the suggestion that the other bowls that make up the BCS should undergo the same scrutiny.

"There's no indication of any similar improprieties in the other bowls," he told reporters on a conference call. "It's unfair to paint innocent people with the same brush." The BCS does plan to come up with "responsible governance" standards that it will require its bowls to meet.

The BCS task force said that the Fiesta Bowl had taken several steps in the right direction since the internal report came out, such as changing expense reimbursement processes for senior staff and establishing criteria to serve on the board.

Among other things, the BCS said the Fiesta Bowl must remove board members who were found to have engaged in inappropriate conduct; include at least two members from the "collegiate community" on the board, such as faculty members or athletic directors; conduct an annual internal audit and share the results with the BCS executive director; replace its auditing firm (PriceWaterhouseCoopers) or bring in a new supervisory partner; and consult with the BCS on the hiring of a new executive director.

"We think that the reforms that they have instituted and the ones we have instituted together will set them on the right path," Hancock said. But he cautioned that the bowl still had a long way to go.

"They have to regain the trust of the community," he said.

Oh, I understand the reasons.  Are you trying to tell me that most other coaches don't try to cover things up?  They do, but he did lie to the NCAA.  I just think it's a bunch of hypocritical shite, generally.

I'm starting to feel like Terrelle Pryor is going to be Maurice Clarette part II.  This kid is a borderline fuck up and now has the media crawling up his ass.  It won't be long until it completely blows up.

If the NCAA doesn't bitchslap Ohio State even harder than USC, I'd be shocked at this point.

USC got off light, as far as I'm concerned.  tOSU really should be looking at the death penalty for this; at the very least shutting down the football program for a year or declaring every single player involved ineligible plus scholarship reductions, TV/bowl ban, etc.

Ok Bama.  :oh_i_see: I hate them as much as the next guy, but let's have some perspective. They aren't going to shut down one of their most popular historic programs. It's bad for the sport. If I'm putting penalties on them, I'm doing a 2 year bowl ban, allow full junior and senior transfers without penalty, declare those players specifically involved ineligible, lose 40 scholarships, and yank their primetime spots on TV for a year. I'm also removing their championship.

at risk of losing tons of fans

So you're saying you only watch Cal? You don't watch the rest of the games?

Yep that's my point. Teams that are national brands stop being national brands if everybody believes they are dirty. I'm not going to bother watching USC or Ohio State or Texas if it's obvious they will win because they are cheating their asses off.

I am nearly certain the vast, vast majority of college football fans just follow/root for their own school and couldn't care less about the big picture stuff except when it somehow touches on their team. I know stuff happening at Ohio State matters not at all to me as a Cal fan, and I suspect for most of the people out there buying their school's tickets and logo wear and such the situation is the same.

But when it comes out that Florida, Alabama, Auburn, and LSU are all equally "cheating their asses off" will you play the same tune or will you continue to play Mr. SEC high and mighty? Hell, it is pretty obvious these days that the only way to be successful in college football is to at the very least flexibly bend the rules if not break them outright. The system is broken as it is and no amount of cheating appears to matter to the people who actually "follow" teams that win as long as they do so.

There's no way UGA is dirty under Mark Richt.

Nope. I'm actually expecting Auburn to get burned. They had to be dirty. That one is a black eye for the SEC and you won't hear me crowing about it. I seriously doubt Alabama would be that stupid to get hit AGAIN and then win. LSU is run by an idiot, so if he's cheating it's probably unintentional. I'd LOOOOOOOOVE to find out Urban was cheating to beat us all those years, but I really doubt it. There's no way UGA is dirty under Mark Richt.

but I saw so many of his teammates who didn’t have some of that self control to say no to somebody

:oh_i_see:

Does anyone with even a passing knowledge of college football really believe there is a CLEAN program out there in Division I? Are you really that naive?

The NCAA is a relic and needs to start looking at the way the Europeans deal with young socceer players. The clubs have academies that are made to produce athletes, and they pay them as both semi-pros and professionals if the kid is good enough. Stop all this backdoor bullshit and PAY THE FUCKING KIDS. The NCAA and the really big successful programs are making GOBS of money, and rich boosters everywhere are spending big dollars on the kids too. You want it all above board? Pay the players, let them get some money off the licensing the NCAA is doing with those kids' images and grow the fuck up.

Does anyone with even a passing knowledge of college football really believe there is a CLEAN program out there in Division I? Are you really that naive?

The NCAA is a relic and needs to start looking at the way the Europeans deal with young socceer players. The clubs have academies that are made to produce athletes, and they pay them as both semi-pros and professionals if the kid is good enough. Stop all this backdoor bullshit and PAY THE FUCKING KIDS. The NCAA and the really big successful programs are making GOBS of money, and rich boosters everywhere are spending big dollars on the kids too. You want it all above board? Pay the players, let them get some money off the licensing the NCAA is doing with those kids' images and grow the fuck up.

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news;_ylt=AmVBU4MLPWQv47mIw5s5vLA5nYcB?slug=ys-robinson_scout_details_deal_oregon_kelly_070111 (http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news;_ylt=AmVBU4MLPWQv47mIw5s5vLA5nYcB?slug=ys-robinson_scout_details_deal_oregon_kelly_070111)

Out of curiosity which of the things in that case are the ones that stand out to you guys as things that should or shouldn't be allowed?

Yeah, that'll satisfy the NCAA.  :awesome_for_real:

Bend over Ohio State. The NCAA is gonna dot the I.

Betcha they don't.

Furthermore, I predict that the NCAA's final findings against Ohio State will be delayed - depending on if a certain FBI investigation in Columbus is still ongoing.

You can't possibly believe that the NCAA is going to let Ohio State get off with "vacating" wins and firing their coach do you? This was one of the worst cases of a coach lying to investigators the whole way down that I've ever witnessed.

Why would they bitchslap USC and not Ohio State? In terms of national cred, they are basically identical.

You can't possibly believe that the NCAA is going to let Ohio State get off with "vacating" wins and firing their coach do you? This was one of the worst cases of a coach lying to investigators the whole way down that I've ever witnessed.

Well I would not go that far on Tressel. Granted, this site is full out Michigan fanboi and over the top, but the post is filled with a lot of wtfs...

http://umgoblue.com/talk/The-whole-tressel-mess-layed-out-from-YSU-to-osu-m169242.aspx

Trombitas denies that anything of substance was discussed, but uhh.... yeah right. The story is that the FBI through Trombitas advised Tressel to remain silent about the situation so as not to jeopardize an ongoing investigation. This includes not saying anything to compliance, or to his boss Gene Smith. So what do you do: Face NCAA sanctions or face an obstruction of justice charge?

The investigation is still ongoing because Rife (the tattoo owner) is now cooperating with the Feds. Apparently they're moving higher up the food chain, and Tressel is still being asked to keep quiet.

From the NCAA's point of view, there are extenuating circumstances but despite that, ineligible players were still played. Thus the vacating of the wins. No scholarship reductions, no post-season ban. Two years probation, no lack of institutional control.

I admit I'm not an insider by any means but I keep hearing this from those who claim they are. Take it FWIW and all that.

What would the feds be investigating? RICO? If that's the case, it has nothing to do with him. All he would have had to say is "Federal Case and I'm not allowed to discuss it," to NCAA officials, and NONE of this would have happened. Are you actually suggesting he fell on his sword to take one for the school? This has been going on much deeper and much longer at Ohio State than I think you are willing to credit.

Now seriously why would a guy who has a squeaky-clean image, stellar graduation rates, and the respect of all of college football throw it all away?

Who or what is the target of the FBI investigation?

I don't follow college football, and even I can't be convinced he was a squeaky-clean guy. I've considered him as dirty as you can get since at least what would have been Clarett's sophomore season.

I don't buy the Federal investigation bluff. It's a nice scapegoat for Tressel to blame when things hit the fan. Also, you think because the NCAA hasn't talked about it that they haven't found other things?

Or did you miss the part in 2009 when they reported that Ohio State had the most violations of any team since 2000? (http://www.dispatch.com/live/content//local_news/stories/2009/05/31/FERPA_OSU.ART_ART_05-31-09_A14_D4E14K6.html?sid=101)

I think your bias is getting in the way of understanding how your program operates.

AND losing when you get on the big stage.

I'm just a guy from the SEC who thinks the high and mighty shit yall like to espouse is simply crap.

 :oh_i_see:

I know it's not what you meant, but the SEC loves to beat its chest in terms of on-field play.

The rules are ridiculous so we're all doing it.

 :oh_i_see:

I know it's not what you meant, but the SEC loves to beat its chest in terms of on-field play.

Welcome to reality. Everyone's cheating. You're cheating hard and fast like everyone else, AND losing when you get on the big stage.

Considering that since the inception of the BCS, the SEC has won 7 of 13 championships by 5 different teams, I'd say it has the SEC has the right to be more than a bit smug about it  :grin:

Or to put it another way, records by conference:
SEC:  7-0 (1.000)
Pac 10:  1-1 (.500)
ACC:  1-2 (.333)
Big East:  1-2 (.333)
Big 10:  1-2 (.333)
Big 12:  2-5 (.286)

But Paelos is absolutely right.  Over the years, everybody else wants to point at the SEC and say "Well, you're a bunch of cheaters that's why you win".  But when the NCAA comes swinging down on their respective schools, y'all still turn a blind eye to it and think you're somehow above it.

Wrong.


That's just cold, man.  That's cutting somebody in the leg and pouring salt on it, then rubbing it in with golf spikes.

For the last century, the Ohio State University football team has been a state and national institution. Autumn Saturdays in Columbus and beyond are dominated by Buckeye football. Ohio State coaches - Paul Brown, Woody Hayes and Jim Tressel - are as well known as the Governor. Players such as Archie Griffin, Kirk Herbstreit and Terrelle Pryor are equally as well known. ...

The events surrounding the Ohio State football program in this past year should sadden not only football fans, but anyone concerned with collegiate sports, academic integrity and accountability. But that sadness does not mean that the events should be secret. This court should join with courts from around the country in sending an unmistakable message to collegiate athletic departments - do not attempt to cover up your misdeeds behind FERPA and honor your obligations under the PRA. And it should do so by granting ESPN's petition for a Writ of Mandamus

Btw, here's some more fun!

ESPN just sued Ohio State for not giving them public documents (http://deadspin.com/5820562/what-its-like-when-the-media-circle-their-prey-with-attorneys-documents-from-espns-lawsuit-against-ohio-state)

Here's ESPN's memo:

Yahoo Sports is holding a story about an SEC West team that's supposed to be hot shit. I believe it's either about LSU or Auburn, and my money is on Auburn.

They should be raked over the coals if they bought a championship.

I'm pretty sure most of the SEC teams are going to be dirty in some way if you look hard enough. OSU or USC dirty? Don't know, depends on how much money is involved in the program. But if I had to wager a guess, I'd put LSU or Bama ahead of any of the Mississippi schools just based on their recent success.

Oh yeah, totally dirty. Thing is when you get caught you have to just put on your big smile, say OK YA GOT ME <puts hands up jokingly>, take the sanction and move on. Bama did that after the 2002 hammer fell, and they moved on with their lives.

You can't lie though. You can't sign papers to the NCAA lying either. They really frown on that shit.

Don't  e v e n  mention Bama.  Things are going great (despite us getting decimated at RB) and we don't need any bad joojoo by mentioning us and the NCAA in the same breath.

I'll cut you.

And.........Georgia Tech gets four years probation (http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/6769894/ncaa-places-georgia-tech-yellow-jackets-four-years-probation).   :awesome_for_real:

Pretty much everyone is going to be on probation soon.  This one stems from basketball and football.  GT didn't lose any scholarships nor were they prevented from participating in postseason play.  And the university apparently wasn't very cooperative with the NCAA.  This would be an example where I feel that the NCAA was too lenient as compared to other schools that have had similar problems. 

Remember when I told you OSU wouldn't be getting a big penalty........?   :oh_i_see:

I never believed it was a lack of institutional control. That's a bigger deal. This was Tressel fucking the system, and they should be held accountable for not doing anything about that. I don't think they should be given the same penalty as USC. I think they should lose 3-10 scholarships, get a 1 year bowl ban, and a 3 year probation.

I've got to disagree with you here.  They knew that Tressel wasn't reporting known violations or keeping good tabs on his players.  That is a lack of institutional control.

The most important guy.   :oh_i_see:

I think we can all agree that they knew Tressell was screwing up and tried to reign him in, but they couldn't. I think we also know that his winning blinded them further. The reality is that while it wasn't a lack of control, they should certainly be punished for what happened under their watch.

They still aren't going to do anything to OSU.  That's the overriding point.  And it stinks of favoritism. 

One guy does not make an institution though.

- On the second case, common sense would dictate that if you were telling you coach to stop violating rules and reign things in, you should have fired him rather than keep issuing warnings
- On the third case, I think Ohio State knew they were covering their asses by issuing formal warnings but it was understood that as long as Tressel won nobody would give a shit. However, at the moment the NCAA showed up they could be like, OH LOOK AT THE WARNINGS! ALL THAT GUY! HE'S GONE NOW SO WE'RE GOOD RITE?!?!

The NCAA Committee on Infractions provides the following list as a roadmap for institutions to avoid a finding of a lack of institutional control:

* The NCAA rules applicable to each operation are readily available to those persons involved in that operation.
* Appropriate forms are provided to persons involved in specific operations to ensure that they will properly follow NCAA rules.
* A procedure is established for timely communication among various university offices regarding determinations that affect compliance with NCAA rules.
* Meaningful compliance education programs are provided for personnel engaged in athletically related operations.
* Informational and educational programs are established to inform athletics boosters of the limitations on their activities under NCAA rules and of the penalties that can arise if they are responsible for rule violations.
* Informational and educational programs are established for student-athletes regarding the rules that they must follow
* An internal monitoring system is in place to ensure compliance with NCAA rules.
* An external audit of athletics compliance is undertaken at reasonable intervals.
* The chief executive officer and other senior administrators make clear that they demand compliance with NCAA rules and that they will not tolerate those who deliberately violate the rules or do so through gross negligence.
* The institution and its staff members have a long history of self-detecting, self-reporting and self-investigating all potential violations.

However they clearly reprimanded their coach for not self reporting known violations.  So they obviously didn't report enough.  Note that in the rule it says all violations.  Not just the ones that they want to report. 

However they clearly reprimanded their coach for not self reporting known violations.  So they obviously didn't report enough.  Note that in the rule it says all violations.  Not just the ones that they want to report. 

How about that, multiple non-shitty non-conference games from SEC teams. Nice to see that changing, if it is an actual trend.

I'm waiting for the Oregon shoe (wink, wink) to drop. No way that much money flowing around hasn't corrupted that program to its core.

Here's how you fix it.

They really won't fix the problem until they get rid of athletic scholarships or the NBA/NFL have a better developmental league like minor league baseball the European football leagues do with academies and semi-pro contracts.

Here's a little gem (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6mE9Au3CwM&feature=player_embedded) to get you excited about the idea of Notre Dame getting the shit kicked out of them this year. 

I have a fundamental moral problem with lots of old white dudes getting rich off of college students who are risking injury while getting worthless educations and working for essentially room and board.

Hard to think of too many industries where the talent brings in so much money while making literally zero dollars.

Here we go again......

Aggies to SEC? (http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/6851396/texas-governor-says-texas-considering-move-sec)

I figure the SEC folks might realize by now that the Aggies are just using these negotiations to try and push the Longhorns around.  While I do think that A and M would be a good fit for the SEC, who could they bring with them?  I doubt they will take just one team, and preferably it would be a team that could integrate into the SEC East.  There's nobody in the east that might be looking to switch conferences that I know of.  Oklahoma might jump.  I suppose they could move Alabama over to the East (because technically they would be one of the easternmost schools then) but that would make everything even more top heavy in the east. 

Tennessee and UGA are just in downward swings in their programs though. They aren't the constant losers that Kentucky and Vandy happen to be. Almost a decade ago, Tennessee was the NCAA champion, and three years ago UGA was carrying a #1 ranking.

We'd never take Clemson, simply because we already have the South Carolina market. Same thing for a team like Georgia Tech. I wouldn't mind seeing FSU, but I'd rather take Virginia Tech. It's a better draw than it used to be and we already have a team in Florida.

Only someone from Carolina, or someone who had never seen that Alabama rivalry would remotely believe that's true.

Where you from?  :grin:

But who wants to own Alabama?

Hmmm, since the APR takes into account graduation rates, I wonder if some of those bigger teams are so low because many of their student athletes get drafted to the NFL and NBA after their junior and freshman years respectively. The big basketball programs are probably especially prone to this, what with the kids only needing one year of college before being eligible.

PAC 10 12

Get it right!  :awesome_for_real:

Prepare to be disappointed. 

Clemson might, FSU won't.

God bless the University of Miami...

Now this is how you get the death penalty... (http://sports.yahoo.com/investigations/news;_ylt=ArM2tQNR.aJNd3egAuqQ9dQcvrYF?slug=cr-renegade_miami_booster_details_illicit_benefits_081611)

About all this will do is distribute a few recruits to SFU, FSU, and FL with the sanctions and loss of scholarships.

I think it has the potential to financially kick Miami in the ass.

God bless the University of Miami...

Now this is how you get the death penalty... (http://sports.yahoo.com/investigations/news;_ylt=ArM2tQNR.aJNd3egAuqQ9dQcvrYF?slug=cr-renegade_miami_booster_details_illicit_benefits_081611)

This could kill Miami altogether.  They've never been loved by the establishment and the NCAA is probably looking for a good bug to squash.

Make sure to get your WHOLE HEAD in front of the shotgun.

Fuck me.

Just looking at it on it's face, their coach needs to walk away from his deal with Miami. Do it right now while nobody blames you, and all the kids who signed should get a free pass from the NCAA.

The only way I see them not getting the SMU cockpunch is the fact they were not currently under probation.

just give up trying to enforce any sort of rules whatsoever.

If they can prove that the administration in place knew they were paying players through the booster, they will get the death penalty. That's exactly what finally did in SMU after their violations over the earlier 10 years.

If they can prove that the administration in place knew they were paying players through the booster, they will get the death penalty. That's exactly what finally did in SMU after their violations over the earlier 10 years.

Just to clarify for people that don't know why SMU got the death penalty, it's pretty egregious.

1 - SMU was on probation 5 times in a 10 year period.
2 - SMU was busted for paying players
3 - After getting busted, SMU said they stopped and swore to the NCAA they weren't paying players
4 - The BOARD of SMU secretly got together and agreed to continue to pay players anything through a booster slush fund.
5 - They got caught again with the slush fund.

So, basically it would be like Miami getting caught with this whole thing, getting their ass spanked by the NCAA for the stupid booster who is now in prison, and then next year the AD getting together with Al Golden and finding a way to slush money again to the players after they promised to stop with this last case.

Then, yeah, you get the death penalty. You get it for completely and categorically ignoring the NCAA exists at all.

Two employees of the bar where LSU quarterback Jordan Jefferson and three teammates are accused of injuring four people in a parking lot brawl said Thursday that one of the victims "threw the first punch" shortly after he had been escorted outside by staff.

Les Miles really let that get out of control.  They'll still be good though.  Don't worry about that.  There's a lot of talent on that team.  

Edit:

I find something funny about this quote from the first article.


How can a "victim" throw the first punch?

That field looks like it was designed by Willy Wonka.

No, this is a done deal. All of this is kabuki to minimize penalties and fees from leaving the conference.

A&M is just signing up for an ass-kicking. I'm not sure their fans are going to like it.

I think that they will actually get a nice boost in recruiting Texas.  A lot of those kids would love to play in the SEC, and they might even steal some good ones from LSU.

Do you have actual information, binary, or is this just wishful thinking?


I think that they will actually get a nice boost in recruiting Texas.  A lot of those kids would love to play in the SEC, and they might even steal some good ones from LSU.

Nobody in Texas worries over going to Alabama, LSU, or A&M. They worry over going to Texas, Alabama, or LSU.

Can we all just agree that Texas and Oklahoma can just get bent?

It will only work for a little while and only for certain teams.  Once every big school has their own network it will dilute everything out and won't be a big deal. 

Example, the major sports have networks, but the Dallas Cowboys don't have a network. That would be insane and give them ridiculous income apart from the other teams.

No expansion of the PAC-12! We just got here dammit.  Plus, I want my roadies to be to the coastal states not BFE Texas and Oklahoma.

Ain't over yet. Baylor is committing epic fail right now. Wouldn't be surprised if TCU wins this.

Wherever they stick colorado, they will put utah as it is our traveling partner. The scenarios are either a east west split of eight teams in which case utah will be in with ok and tx, or a four "pod"system in which case it will be ut, co, az, and asu.

The SEC team I really want to play lights out today is Ole Miss but I don't have much hope.

Utah STATE! Don't confuse the Utes with those cow hearders.  :awesome_for_real:

Couldn't happen to a bigger bunch of assholes.

And now we have the second 'Oh no, Notre Dame is losing' game suspension.  It's not even raining this time and there's all of 4 minutes left in the game.

Edit: Finally! Suck it, ND!

Notre Dame lost.  All is right in the world.  I thought Skip Holtz Brian Kelly was going to have an aneurysm.  #16 ranking my ass.

Damn you, UGA.  Damn you...

Skip coached the winning team.

No expansion of the PAC-12! We just got here dammit.  Plus, I want my roadies to be to the coastal states not BFE Texas and Oklahoma.

Holy mother of god, the Maryland uniforms... :ye_gods:

I am really torn- I want them to beat the fuck out of Miami, but if they do then they might wear those fucking things again. And nobody wants that.

Holy mother of god, the Maryland uniforms... :ye_gods:

Hell, most "new" football uniforms look ass-tarded these days anyway.

I'm a big fan of the classic style uniforms.  Penn State, Alabama, Michigan, USC, Texas, Oklahoma, Nebraska, etc. all have unis that I like.  This new shit drives me nuts.

I enjoy that I started typing in "Maryland" and it autofilled with " 's new uniforms" for me.  :awesome_for_real:

They didn't seem ... THAT hideous. I was hoping for Astros (http://pics.classicauctions.net/classicauctions/auctions/35/417.jpg) level of ugly.

(http://www.gopherfootballtickets.com/img/articles/Adam%20Weber.jpg)

Now that's a sexy uniform!

not sure about the Pelican though...

State Flag Exemption, it stays.  (I actually think it looks pretty cool anyway.)

Heading to Happy Valley this weekend for the game.  Can't wait. 

Should be at that game too.  Thank goodness it's a home game.  I do NOT go to Tiger Stadium, even during the daytime.

I've been there a few times.  But I wore LSU stuff  :ye_gods:

I'm heading to the colosseum for the game saturday. Hopefully I will get out alive.

Have you been before?  I have been to a few games because my father-in-law is a grad.  It was surprisingly tame.  I think you'll be fine, unless you're an obnoxious fan (which I doubt).

I'm obnoxious in my living room when watching games (to my wife's chagrin) but dial it way down when I am out in public. I will be sitting in the USC section so I will be minding my Ps and Qs while still representing. My main concern is getting back to our car after the game.  :oh_i_see:

So.....Arizona or Okie State?  I'm thinking Okie State by 3 touchdowns.

23 points.  I was pretty close.  

Edit:  And sorry about being right, Rasix.   :heartbreak:  I was hoping the Wildcats would pull it out.  

I knew we wouldn't.  

Graduated the entire offensive line.  3 DLs including our bookend DEs in the NFL now.  Top wideout down. Top LB down. RT down.  Injuries in the secondary and we're starting two guys that were our biggest liabilities on defense last year.

All of this and Foles, despite his gaudy numbers, seems to fall apart in the red zone. Just going to be a trying year and the start of our season is fucking brutal.   Sadly this might also be my last season as a season ticket holder for a while. It's just too much of a hassle to go to 6-7 games a year.  And realistically I will probably have to move in the next year or two.  

OHH WELL.  Go Diamondbacks.

I'm backing Iowa this season.

Surprised to see Iowa State beat them today.  Looks like a small, fast defenses will give the Hawkeyes fits this year.

USC was fun. They tailgate like nobody's business (never seen so many Sat dishes hooked up to 46 inch tv's in tents in my life). Lots of hotties too. Watching a game in the Colosseum is cool but their band and cheerleaders (not the sweater-puppy song girls, the male cheerleaders) are ANNOYING AS FUCK. They play that shitty refrain after every single play and the cheer guys (WITH FREAKING MICROPHONES) chant "beat the utes" in a monotone every 45 seconds.  Seriously, its psychological torture.

Utes fought hard and really should have won, but oh well.

Cincy gave UT fits the first half, but the Vols outshot them.  Plus Cincy seemed to wear down.  Tyler Bray and Tauren Poole were stars.  Props to Cincy, they have a great program there.

Georgia.  Ugh.  That program is dying just like my Vols did in the last couple years of the Fulmer era.  Richt has lost it.  Time to drive UGA 'out to the country to live on a farm'.

USC was fun. They tailgate like nobody's business (never seen so many Sat dishes hooked up to 46 inch tv's in tents in my life). Lots of hotties too. Watching a game in the Colosseum is cool but their band and cheerleaders (not the sweater-puppy song girls, the male cheerleaders) are ANNOYING AS FUCK. They play that shitty refrain after every single play and the cheer guys (WITH FREAKING MICROPHONES) chant "beat the utes" in a monotone every 45 seconds.  Seriously, its psychological torture.

Utes fought hard and really should have won, but oh well.

LSU's defense is badass.

"As I stood in front of the Cougar Club (Thursday), it felt like I was in front of the Pharisees and the Sadducees," he said. "Sometimes what play is called on third-and-20 is more important (to them) than what we're trying to do here. My hope is that you support us with your heart as you try to find what's most important in life and see the bigger picture, and join us in that purpose."

Depends on if our O-line can get its shit together. If it can I think the Utes will stomp them.  If not, it will be a slog.

Fuck BYU

The SEC is really terrible this year too, except for LSU and Bama.

I think if either of them drop a game to anybody else besides the obvious head to head, they don't deserve a title shot.

Auburn can't tackle my grandmother. Clemson scored at will on them, and Clemson sucks.

Arkansas, not sure yet.

I've discovered that Ole Miss and Kentucky are both absolutely god-awful by watching them play.

Now if we could just get Rasix's bunch to get off their fucking asses and play some football......

Suck it Zoobs!

Way, you dodged a bullet with Heaps. He sucks.

(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y222/Abagadro/Football.jpg)

I think Illinois might be decent this year.  Not great, but decent.

That warms my cold dead black heart.

In case you didn't see the play, with bonus yakity sax for extra lulz:

http://www.youtube.com/user/superman7132#p/u/0/2ogDT9_NrRE

Ok, you're an SEC guy.  What makes WV so attractive?  Not so much from a fan perspective, since I know they they usually field a good team, but from a value to the conference perspective.  What do they have that a Virginia Tech doesn't?

The are without a doubt the top football program in their respective conference, they have a good college town with a solid blue collar background, they have a national presence in the past 20 years, they command the entirety of their state's viewership, and they have rabid fans that travel well. They've shown they can play against top talent by beating Georgia in the 2006 Sugar Bowl, and by beating OU in the 2008 Fiesta bowl.

Plus as a personal favorite, they have a tradition of singing John Denver's "Take Me Home, Country Roads" at every game. I mean damn they are a stone's throw from being complete hillbillys, why the hell wouldn't we want them!  :grin:

Florida will block FSU.

I like FSU as a program, but I don't think they are up to the challenge unless they get in. It would be years before they competed for the title.

Well part of the problem is that FSU can't recruit in Florida when kids want to play in the SEC.

I think Bowden was the obvious problem. Fisher is fine, but he needs time to get out from under the losing culture in FSU, still I'd take West Virginia over FSU in a heartbeat.

Maryland? Pass.

I'd take both but I'd grab Clemson.

They may have lost some in head-to-head recruiting battles but that doesn't really mean anything if you've come away with the better class in the end.  Losing a few recruiting battles certainly doesn't excuse them from finishing with barely .500 seasons.  They play in the ACC for fuck's sake.  This is what we're talking about here, unless I missed the point-  the fact that I don't believe that FSU can compete in the SEC has little to do with their recruiting prowess.  They've outrecruited everybody but Florida and maybe LSU.  On that alone they should be able to compete in the SEC very well, but their coaching has been very suspect in the past 10 years.  Bowden was run out of town 10 years too late and I'm not sure Fisher is up to the task. 

With a team like Maryland they aren't going for a quality team, they're going for a market.  I'm reading on my Texas board that Missouri has an SEC invite on the table.

Honestly, does it really matter for LSU.  Unless you're losing to Kentucky they're all kind of the same.   :why_so_serious:

My personal druthers would be an SEC that added A and M, UT, OU and one other.  Missouri would be just fine. 

7 conference games isn't really very many.

I personally love the BCS/poll circle jerk.  It's so much more interesting than the NCAA basketball tournament.  I love hearing the whining and bitching.  I think you could safely get rid of 50% of bowls though.  That is not entertainment. 

PAC-12 AFFIRMS DECISION NOT TO EXPAND

WALNUT CREEK, Calif.-- In light of the widespread speculation about potential scenarios for Conference re-alignment, the Pac-12 Presidents and Chancellors have affirmed their decision to remain a 12-team conference. Pac-12 Commissioner Larry Scott said, “after careful review we have determined that it is in the best interests of our member institutions, student-athletes and fans to remain a 12-team conference. While we have great respect for all of the institutions that have contacted us, and certain expansion proposals were financially attractive, we have a strong conference structure and culture of equality that we are committed to preserve. With new landmark TV agreements and plans to launch our innovative television networks, we are going to focus solely on these great assets, our strong heritage and the bright future in front of us.”

I seriously doubt Missiouri has the desire to fight Baylor's legal team with Aggy.  The Big 12 will now let Aggy leave if OU and Texas stay put, and if those two stay put so will Missouri.  The Big 12 is a complete piece of shit conference.  Texas needs to be in a real conference, i.e. either the SEC, PAC 12 or Big Ten.  Their greed is driving them to stay put with the LHN.  I hope it crashes and burns and they end up having to reform the SWC.  

Texas and Notre Dame would be spectacular additions to the Big Ten as a pair.  The big issue here is greed.  If they could just get away from the money grubbing and try to provide decent football and educate the players it would be more interesting.

One thing I've noted in this attempt to get to four 16 team conferences is that there aren't 64 teams worth a shit in college football to do it.  And to keep any semblance of regional grouping the PAC X is going to be fucked.  I mean, who could they add?  BYU and............ crickets.  Boise State?  Fuck no.  Wyoming?  Hah.  New Mexico or NMSU?  Not bloody likely. 

There are other possibilities - Nevada and Fresno State for example - but it really kind of depends on how concerned the presidents are about the whole academic reputation part.

Texas and Notre Dame would be spectacular additions to the Big Ten as a pair.  The big issue here is greed.  If they could just get away from the money grubbing and try to provide decent football and educate the players it would be more interesting.

One thing I've noted in this attempt to get to four 16 team conferences is that there aren't 64 teams worth a shit in college football to do it.  And to keep any semblance of regional grouping the PAC X is going to be fucked.  I mean, who could they add?  BYU and............ crickets.  Boise State?  Fuck no.  Wyoming?  Hah.  New Mexico or NMSU?  Not bloody likely. 

Well I doubt you'd have a 64 team bracket for football. 16 I could see...

He still remembers the 4th quarter from last season. That's why.

I watched most of that game and I don't think Tennessee can do much against that football machine, LSU.
But hope springs eternal.  Go Vols!

Make Ab take a pic of himself in a BYU shirt and post it on the net if he loses!

I like the idea of a grief avatar and/or title for a designated period of time.  Would all be in good fun but provide for some lulz.   How about the winner gets to choose an avatar/title combo(s) for the loser for two weeks?

Heh. Tater Zoobs and Zoobs Original Recipe sign a twelve year series.  So at least one of them will lose every year!

Wow South Florida, way to look like a bunch of unconditioned bitches on national TV. How the hell did they get a #16 ranking?

They beat an overrated Notre Dame to open the season.

Why can't my family take the hint that I hate going to the ASU/UofA game when it's at Sun Devil stadium?  I'd rather be tossed in a burlap sack with an angry doberman.

There are also a lot of seats with bad sight lines.

That too.  It's huge and you can't see shit.  Smells roughly like 20000 college students just pissed themselves.  Parking is usually hell of long walk away.  So, if you lose, you've got to trek back through a swarm of poorly educated, drunk nitwits hurling their best junior high insults at you.

Last time we went was the first time I've ever heard my dad swear at someone.

Alabama is absolutely the most violent football team I've ever seen.

Hey Way,

Heaps got benched tonight playing freaking Utah State.

Ugh... now I am fearful of the FL game even though it's in Tiger Stadium.

And wtf TCU?

Ugh... now I am fearful of the FL game even though it's in Tiger Stadium.

And wtf TCU?

Ugh... now I am fearful of the FL game even though it's in Tiger Stadium.

And wtf TCU?

It feels like a trap game for whatever reason.

Bama / LSU will be outright nasty. I am much more calm about the Auburn game than I am about the Ark game.

Utah...wow. That has to be their worst game in years- they just trod on their dicks all game long. Washington really didn't play very well and cruised.

I am feeling decidedly uncreative today, so it will be pretty simple. Have a request in now to the aqua gods.

Personally disappointed that the UW won. Means even more clogged traffic for me :P