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Reply #2660 on: July 09, 2018, 09:51:17 PM

El Dorado had pretty good reviews on BGG I thought.  As with all things nerd, opinions are all over the place.  But there seemed to be mostly good praise, and for every perfect 10 review with no text, there seemed to be a review giving it a 1 because Ďthe rule book suckedí.

Think Iíll take the plunge on so long my world because Iím a sucker.  Want me to order an extra playmat for you Schild?   awesome, for real

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Reply #2661 on: July 09, 2018, 10:29:25 PM

I might just order the whole thing, dunno yet.
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Reply #2662 on: July 09, 2018, 10:56:20 PM

So Long, Ninety One Ducketts.
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Reply #2663 on: July 10, 2018, 11:25:49 PM

The next CMON is on KS... Cthulhu based.  $100 for the game (so far) or $250 if you want the 2 foot tall Cthulhu mini.

Cthuhu: Death May Die


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Reply #2664 on: July 11, 2018, 12:31:10 AM

The next CMON is on KS... Cthulhu based.  $100 for the game (so far) or $250 if you want the 2 foot tall Cthulhu mini.

If you managed to catch one of the giant Cthulu pledges, that is.  At least for now they're all spoken for.  In fact, it was a real shitshow as the Kickstarter opened with 250 of those available at a $220 price point and they were grabbed within about five seconds.  Then every five minutes they added another 100-200 pledges but increased the price by $5 each time all the way up to $250 and stopped there.

Wish I'd have gotten one just to flip it on eBay after this is all over.

I'm pretty Cthulud and Zombicided out, but I'll get this.  Even if it doesn't get to the table I can easily reuse the miniatures for rpgs, which makes it a pretty great value.

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Reply #2665 on: July 11, 2018, 12:51:43 AM

Meh

CMON is like 1/100th the quality of the KDM shit and I'm never gonna open those
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Reply #2666 on: July 11, 2018, 12:54:24 AM

Also fuck these jokers, they can't even get a name right. At worst it should've been "Even Death May Die" and not had Cthulhu just shoved into it


Edit: Looks like the giant one is unlimited btw, so $0 resale value.
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Reply #2667 on: July 11, 2018, 01:03:50 AM

Looked like bad Arkham Horror with minis.
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Reply #2668 on: July 11, 2018, 10:30:39 AM

Well, it's limited to KS, I think. But either way, meh. It's a mediocre sculpt, I expected more out of Remy. Cards say Season 1, so get ready for whoring of this IP.

I dig Lovecraft so hard, but almost nobody gets the atmosphere right.

I really dig the Hastur model in this one, though, and Rogland did a nice job painting it.

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Reply #2669 on: July 11, 2018, 10:33:55 AM

Looked like bad Arkham Horror with minis.

Arkham Horror is already bad. Terrible, even.
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Reply #2670 on: July 11, 2018, 02:21:56 PM

So far I have backed Rising Sun and Blood War from CMON.  My experience has been entirely positive.  I'm backing this one as well. 

Even if they sell 5K of the giant Cthulhu, I'm betting they'll sell for well over $150 in the secondary market in 2025.  I'm not a huge fan of the sculpt, but am still waffling on whether I will get it.  I'm waiting for the end of the KS to see what else is added to it.

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Reply #2671 on: July 11, 2018, 02:43:13 PM

CMON runs a great Kickstarter business if you like the products. If you don't, it's all just useless knickknacks and piles of garbage.

They do not make good games.
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Reply #2672 on: July 11, 2018, 04:07:33 PM

They do not make good games.

I'm largely with you there, but Blood Rage and Rising Sun are actually quite good games. This one does not look to follow up on that pedigree, even though it's Eric Lang.
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Reply #2673 on: July 11, 2018, 04:58:15 PM

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I'm largely with you there, but Blood Rage and Rising Sun are actually quite good games. This one does not look to follow up on that pedigree, even though it's Eric Lang.
Rob Daviau and Eric Lang.  Why do you assume this one doesn't work?  Rising Sun and Blood War are on my most played shelf - What is bothering you about the mechanics of this game?

It looks like it will appeal in the same way as Betrayal at House on the Hill with mechanics that seem pretty straight forward.  For what it is intended to do, it seems solid.
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Reply #2674 on: July 11, 2018, 07:03:08 PM

Daviau isn't much of a selling point for me at this point. While I love the legacy mechanic, it didn't make Risk into an interesting game, and Seafall was pretty bad as well (my current thinking is that it just flat out doesn't work for competitive games, but that's another rant). And while I appreciate Betrayal at House on the Hill, it's a beer and pretzels game, and one that frequently just degenerates into scenarios where players sit around in the room with the MacGuffin rolling dice until they accumulate enough successes to win. I've had some good times with BaHotH, but I've had more bad times with it.

As for Death may Die specifically, let's see. I'm pissed off about all the other things everyone is pissed off about regarding how they're running the campaign and that idiotic "miniature", but I'll try to ignore that. Mostly, it just feels like a vanilla CMON game following the Zombicide/Massive Darkness/The Others/World of Smog etc. formula and using probably the most overused theme in gaming at the moment. It feels like a joyless cash grab. It's not so much that something is bothering me about the mechanics, it's mostly that I just don't feel anything about those mechanics at all. I've seen them hundreds of times before. Maaaybe the modularity could be kind of neat, but that's not really about how the game plays. I don't care if I'm facing some unique combo of old one x and scenario y when I'm just moving around and rolling successes in any of the possible combinations.

I don't know. A month ago, I probably would have backed it, even feeling as meh about it as I do, but I was recently joking with someone that I've stopped measuring my game collection in "shelves" and started measuring it in "rooms", and then I stopped and thought about that for a while, and realized how sad that is, so I'm trying to set a higher bar for new acquisitions, and this doesn't even come close to reaching it.
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Reply #2675 on: July 11, 2018, 07:08:21 PM

It looks like it will appeal in the same way as Betrayal at House on the Hill with mechanics that seem pretty straight forward.  For what it is intended to do, it seems solid.

Not sure if you edited to add this in or I just didn't notice it, but yeah, I completely agree with this. If you want more BaHotH without a traitor mechanic and love miniatures, this is probably a no brainer. You know the mechanics work because they've been used a billion times before. If you somehow don't already have a dice chucker of this ilk and want one, or just desperately want a 20th Cthulhu themed game, it's probably a great purchase.
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Reply #2676 on: July 11, 2018, 07:36:58 PM

CMON runs a great Kickstarter business if you like the products. If you don't, it's all just useless knickknacks and piles of garbage.

They do not make good games.
Have you played Blood Rage?   Because I felt that one was excellent, and everybody Iíve played it with has agreed.

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Reply #2677 on: July 11, 2018, 08:27:54 PM

Competitve legacy games can work, but they need to not give players competitive advantages for winning a round.  You need to either just evolve the game and keep all players balanced, or give the winner a reasonable disadvantage in the next game(s). 

Goldmean - all your points are fair - but as you note, the stuff bugging you isn't really about mechanics.  I don't have too many Cthulhu games right now -  I just have Deep Madness on the way (which is somewhat similar, but more modern).

As a second note: Eclipse: Second Dawn for the Galaxy is hittng Kickstarter, too. Here. 

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Reply #2678 on: July 11, 2018, 10:39:36 PM

Competitve legacy games can work, but they need to not give players competitive advantages for winning a round.  You need to either just evolve the game and keep all players balanced, or give the winner a reasonable disadvantage in the next game(s).

Yeah, that's great in theory. No one has yet made one (and I've played them all, not that there are that many). The feedback is only one problem. It's easy to solve that, but Charterstone for example doesn't really have a big "The rich get richer" feedback loop problem, but we're close to the end of the campaign and it's become a slog for us for another reason. The whole nature of the changing rules and board mean that some games are just out of kilter balancewise. In a cooperative game that's not a problem because it's just a new puzzle to overcome, and provides some fun narrative. In a competitive game it just doesn't feel good. We've had several games where someone just happened to have a good board position for that game. They got a lot of essentially free points and didn't really feel good about it, and we felt even worse. A lot of that is probably Charterstone specific in that it doesn't feel very well balanced, and in addition to evolving rules also has special rules for each game, but just by the nature of combinatorics, balancing a legacy game is reaaaaallly hard unless you make the permutations incredibly bland. It's not an insoluble problem, but it is a hard one.

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Goldmean - all your points are fair - but as you note, the stuff bugging you isn't really about mechanics.  I don't have too many Cthulhu games right now -  I just have Deep Madness on the way (which is somewhat similar, but more modern).

Well, I'm also being polite. I happen to think that dice resolved combat and skill checks are dull as dirt, but that's a personal taste thing. They're fine for RPGs, but just terribly bland for boardgames, which I generally play for interesting mechanics. Despite this being the internet, the lowest I'm willing to go is to say that it looks uninteresting, has an overly used theme (albeit one I like), and a terribly run kickstarter that has actively pissed off a lot of their fan base. Unlike most people though, I happen to believe in the nature of subjective experience, so I don't usually lead with "That's a terrible game and you should feel bad for liking it"

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As a second note: Eclipse: Second Dawn for the Galaxy is hittng Kickstarter, too. Here.  

Speaking of weirdly run campaigns... If you don't have the first edition, you should probably pick this up, but as someone who does, I'm not really seeing why I should care about it. The rules tweaks are fairly minimal. They don't include the non-promo expansions, and despite their blurb about "new content", this is essentially 150$ for some ancient miniatures and a small handful of new tiles and chits. I might end up backing under the hopes that years down the line they'll actually catch up with where first edition is and start releasing some new content for it, and it would annoy me to not have the kickstarter exclusive stuff then, but I won't feel good about it.
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Reply #2679 on: July 11, 2018, 10:56:06 PM

CMON runs a great Kickstarter business if you like the products. If you don't, it's all just useless knickknacks and piles of garbage.

They do not make good games.
Have you played Blood Rage?   Because I felt that one was excellent, and everybody Iíve played it with has agreed.
Me, summarized: "CMON makes shit"

You (and others), summarized: "Oh comeon they did this one thing right once"

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it's not working

i can't care about this company
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Reply #2680 on: July 11, 2018, 11:31:25 PM

Honestly I was just curious what you thought of that particular game.

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Reply #2681 on: July 12, 2018, 12:00:55 AM

That CMON mini is one of the worst interpretations of Cthulhu I've ever seen.  As for games with a Lovecraftian feel, I'm pretty happy with Shadows of Brimstone.  We've never finished a game of Arkham Horror, but we've played SoB dozens of times.
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Reply #2682 on: July 12, 2018, 12:11:14 AM

Obligatory "Cthulhu's knees are too pointy" post.

I don't care for the model either. I never imagined the dude with legs and the wings are far too small. I suppose I had a different vision of him in my head. Also he's too small.
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Reply #2683 on: July 12, 2018, 12:16:58 AM

i can't care about this company

This seems like a weird stance in such an auteur driven industry like board gaming, especially when designers often have their games published by different companies. I mean, I get it if it's a moral stance for some reason, or if that company reliably produces shoddy components, and I get the logic of going "Well, this company produces mainly crap, so I'm not going to pay much attention to their upcoming products" (and this is certainly the case with CMON), but choosing to nix a game multiple people are recommending just because of the company that footed the bill for its production seems... odd.

You do you, though.
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Reply #2684 on: July 12, 2018, 01:38:29 AM

Daviau is hugely overrated. He's not worth following.  Lang wins on average, but I still can't get excited by this.
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Reply #2685 on: July 12, 2018, 04:22:46 AM

Yeah, this one just doesn't grab me at all.

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Reply #2686 on: July 12, 2018, 11:06:38 AM

i can't care about this company

This seems like a weird stance in such an auteur driven industry like board gaming, especially when designers often have their games published by different companies. I mean, I get it if it's a moral stance for some reason, or if that company reliably produces shoddy components, and I get the logic of going "Well, this company produces mainly crap, so I'm not going to pay much attention to their upcoming products" (and this is certainly the case with CMON), but choosing to nix a game multiple people are recommending just because of the company that footed the bill for its production seems... odd.

You do you, though.

Fantasy flight is garbage also.

So is Richard Garfield.

People bad at things sometimes pump out something good. How is this a weird stance.

I haven't played the game teleku mentioned, maybe it's good, but when a company produces typically bad shit, I'm not gonna be around to find out.
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Reply #2687 on: July 12, 2018, 11:57:11 AM

Eclipse KS is looking like a bit of a loser:

1.) No KS Exclusives.
2.) You're likely to get it cheaper soon after the KS are delivered if you buy from stores.
3.) It is similar enough to the first version that you're better off playing the original with the expansions than buying this slightly better version (perhaps) of just the core game with no expansions available.

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Reply #2688 on: July 12, 2018, 03:19:02 PM

I just looked at that Eclipse KS and its an overwhelming meh.

Prettier sure, but nothing of any real substance.

As it is that game claims to be 4x but it always just ends up being he/she who has best fleet wins. We keep bringing it out over the years thinking that there is more depth that we are somehow missing, but nope. Build the best fleet and go shitstomp your opponents and get the galactic core.  Meh

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Reply #2689 on: July 12, 2018, 03:36:29 PM

ffg pump out a lot of crap - but putting them in the same bracket as cmon isn't really fair.

Game of thrones, xwing, fury of dracula, cosmic encounter, imperial assault, hey that's my fish all continue to be fun.

The only good thing I've ever found in a cmon box was Modern Art. Which doesn't really count.

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Reply #2690 on: July 12, 2018, 04:04:08 PM

i don't know

they both overproduce board games, have shitty rules writers, and rely on showmanship more than quality for nearly all their products

also if you mean the game of thrones ccg, get outta here (actually if you mean the board game, also get outta here)

But percentage-wise, liking 1 CMON title out of all their products is probably about the same as liking 5 FFG titles
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Reply #2691 on: July 12, 2018, 05:22:39 PM

They both have a few games that get very high reviews from a broad spectrum of gamers.  If you turn down their products based entirely upon their rep with no evaluation as to whether the game itself is any good, you might miss out on a good game... and be stuck buying one of the other dozen or so good games being released these days instead.

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Reply #2692 on: July 12, 2018, 05:28:11 PM

I see you've stumbled upon the working strategy.

Ignoring companies in a flood benefits me greatly.
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Reply #2693 on: July 12, 2018, 06:44:20 PM

I kind of agree.  Inasmuch as there are far worse companies.  I'm looking at you almost every shitty 1-person company with drunk friends.  And Queen games.  

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Reply #2694 on: July 12, 2018, 08:59:54 PM

I see you've stumbled upon the working strategy.

Ignoring companies in a flood benefits me greatly.
Understood.  I just find no reason to assume their games wil suck.  I investigate and evaluate.  Blood Rage is a great game.
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