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Nebu
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Reply #245 on: September 07, 2011, 10:48:54 AM

I just got back from interviewing for a PRN position at the hospital across town, the director up'ed the ante, and offered me a full time and will make the pay better.  I'm gonna wait till i see the written offer before I jump to a new hospital, but it is new and has more staff.

If it has fewer patients that are amateur boxers, I say jump all over it!

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Reply #246 on: September 07, 2011, 12:16:33 PM

I just got back from interviewing for a PRN position at the hospital across town, the director up'ed the ante, and offered me a full time and will make the pay better.  I'm gonna wait till i see the written offer before I jump to a new hospital, but it is new and has more staff.

If it has fewer patients that are amateur boxers, I say jump all over it!

I read that as a porn position.

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Reply #247 on: September 07, 2011, 04:03:44 PM

I have read one or two job descriptions which want a security clearance.  How difficult are these to obtain?

Also, working with the public is very far from rewarding.  Not any reward I want,at least.

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Reply #248 on: September 07, 2011, 04:10:28 PM

I've listed as goals, "To become the world's tallest midget porn star" and see if the idiots in HR ever read the stuff.  It went threw and when I did a self review I gave myself a "goal not met, still amateur status".  I got a chewing by my manager over that one :D

The best though was I had to do incident report after incident report after I got beat up.  I finally took a box of crayon's and drew a 17 page report and turned it in, you should have seen the risk manager about die when she was reading one report in a meeting.  We were all in the meeting and she flips over a typed page and there was my crayon report  DRILLING AND MANLINESS


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Reply #249 on: September 07, 2011, 04:32:58 PM

I just got back from interviewing for a PRN position at the hospital across town, the director up'ed the ante, and offered me a full time and will make the pay better.  I'm gonna wait till i see the written offer before I jump to a new hospital, but it is new and has more staff.

If it has fewer patients that are amateur boxers, I say jump all over it!

I read that as a porn position.
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Reply #250 on: September 07, 2011, 04:41:06 PM

I have read one or two job descriptions which want a security clearance.  How difficult are these to obtain?

What sort of security clearance are we talking about - a real Secret/Top Secret clearance, some pseudo-clearance like Public Trust, or the fake private sector background checks pretending to be a security clearance?

My last three jobs have all required some sort of clearance, but I would only refer to the one I got for my current job as an actual security clearance.

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Reply #251 on: September 07, 2011, 05:06:20 PM

That is awesome Jimbo.

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Reply #252 on: September 07, 2011, 05:14:19 PM

I have read one or two job descriptions which want a security clearance.  How difficult are these to obtain?
Depends on the level.  The lowest ones are pretty simple to obtain, the highest ones are not horrible if you've been "mostly" a good little citizen and what you haven't been good on you are up front and don't lie about on your paperwork (they WILL find out if you lie).  A good portion of what they are looking for is things you can be blackmailed with, so being upfront about all of that prevents that issue.  The backup to get one can take a good 6-18 months last I heard...
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Reply #253 on: September 07, 2011, 05:17:17 PM

Certainly depends if we're talking federal or not.

I think my initial TS clearance came back in less than 100 days.

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Reply #254 on: September 07, 2011, 07:38:11 PM

I have read one or two job descriptions which want a security clearance.  How difficult are these to obtain?

Also, working with the public is very far from rewarding.  Not any reward I want,at least.

Secret/ top secret/ top secret sci?
Impossible in most cases unless the position and employer require it and the employer is willing to pay to foot the bill.

Its why most contractor employers want to hire someone already with the clearance. Substantially lowers their screening and hiring cost.
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Reply #255 on: September 07, 2011, 07:49:56 PM

One reason I was pissed the position with the security firm fell through, they were going to pay for my secret clearance, dammit.
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Reply #256 on: September 08, 2011, 01:41:37 PM

I've listed as goals, "To become the world's tallest midget porn star" and see if the idiots in HR ever read the stuff.  It went threw and when I did a self review I gave myself a "goal not met, still amateur status".  I got a chewing by my manager over that one :D

A good friend once went in for an interview after securing a another job (but did not know for 100% certain) and then when asked "where do you see yourself in 5 years?" he responded with "on a beach, sipping a pina colada, with $250K of the company's money in my bank account"… …if anyone else would have told me this, I would call BS, but this guy, I believe it because I sat next to him once in a VP meeting where he repeatedly yelled/proclaimed at a VP over us what a "piece of shit" a development project she commandeered was as she repeatedly and gently exhorted him to "assume positive intent" and that "we don't speak negatively and put down each other" -- the exchange went on for at least 10-15 minutes, with roughly those same phrases repeated back and forth (and the dozen others seated, completely mum, stunned, yet remaining poker faced)

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Reply #257 on: September 08, 2011, 01:53:02 PM

The job descriptions I have read do not specify clearance level; I haven't called anyone about one of these yet, I am just asking in general terms.  Considering my line of work, however, I can guess that it would be whatever level is required for handling of data considered secret by the government.  Not the sort where I will be out in their field, killing their dudes, but I can't rule out "top".  I gather it takes money in addition to paperwork, and you guys make it sound like something I would require sponsorship to get.

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Reply #258 on: September 08, 2011, 01:55:05 PM

Impossible in most cases unless the position and employer require it and the employer is willing to pay to foot the bill.

Actually, this is true if the question is, "I want to get a clearance for myself, how hard is it?"  There has to be need and "I would like sometime in the future to have a job that requires a clearance." isn't a demonstrable need.

If the question is, "If I'm hired for a job that requires a clearance how much of a hassle is it?"

The answer is, it depends on the level of the clearance.  For a lot of things all it involves is a simple credit check.  For others it requires 10 years of full history or even a lie detector test.

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Reply #259 on: September 08, 2011, 02:16:31 PM

I'm not worried about the hassle, except that it would be nice to have one already if I wanted a job that required one.  Sounds like this isn't possible, though.

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Reply #260 on: September 08, 2011, 02:24:55 PM

Wrong thread.  NM.

Thanks for the well-wishes a few back, Nebu.

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Reply #261 on: September 08, 2011, 03:51:03 PM

The job descriptions I have read do not specify clearance level; I haven't called anyone about one of these yet, I am just asking in general terms.  Considering my line of work, however, I can guess that it would be whatever level is required for handling of data considered secret by the government.  Not the sort where I will be out in their field, killing their dudes, but I can't rule out "top".  I gather it takes money in addition to paperwork, and you guys make it sound like something I would require sponsorship to get.

Right.  You cannot just shell out x amount of dollars and then get one.  There is a process of sponsorship/cost involved (for the company).

Generally its easier to get a job with a lower clearance as the cost ramps up astronomically for the sponsor involved.  BUT - once you have a clearance it makes the higher ones slightly easier (cost/time) to get as you have maintained one along with not needing to repeat certain steps.

Up to secret is not too bad - its the TS ones that can give you the creeps.  Like them contacting your third grade teacher or buddy you haven't seen in like 10 years.

No Nerf, but I put a link to this very thread and I said that you all can guarantee for my purity. I even mentioned your case, and see if they can take a look at your lawn from a Michigan perspective.
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Reply #262 on: September 08, 2011, 04:07:25 PM

Up to secret is not too bad - its the TS ones that can give you the creeps.  Like them contacting your third grade teacher or buddy you haven't seen in like 10 years.

Truth - TS can get pretty...involved. For instance, they dug back a few years to a job I had at a Walgreens for a few months. Agent briefly mentioned that he spoke with someone that I worked there with. The weird part was that the person he mentioned I had only worked with...for a day. A single day.

Granted, I also went to HS with the person (she was a year behind, only had 1 class together), but it made me really curious as to how they even dug her up.

Personally, I wouldn't sweat the process much if you don't have anything to hide. But do not be surprised if they're talking to folks who you have not even given as contacts (I'm sure this is by design) - during my initial check, I noticed that a coworker of mine had a card from an Agent on her desk (she was a bit of a slob, so I'm sure she wasn't supposed to have the card sitting out for me to notice). And seeing as the card had the agent's full title/agency, it was pretty simple to surmise that my check was somehow involved.

While I wish they hadn't spoken to this person (untrustworthy, a bit of a dunce), it obviously had about zero impact.

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Reply #263 on: September 08, 2011, 04:28:31 PM

I have read one or two job descriptions which want a security clearance.  How difficult are these to obtain?

Also, working with the public is very far from rewarding.  Not any reward I want,at least.

Depends on how high.

If you go this route, answer honestly. Unless you're going to have to talk about the harvested organs you keep in your refrigerator for special dinners.

[edit] Everyone already said this. But TS? My neighbor once was considering a very TS job with cryptographical elements. Two men in black types came to talk to *us* and it was very very thorough--who came to his place, did we ever hear funny noises, did we see his wife very much, did they seem to have a normal sex life, were we sure he had no more and no less money than he seemed to have, and so on. I wouldn't have answered a thing except he was very serious about considering the job.
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Reply #264 on: September 08, 2011, 04:40:48 PM

Wrong thread.  NM.

Thanks for the well-wishes a few back, Nebu.

Wrong thread, NM.  I think I've been there.  It's near Truth or Consequences. 

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Reply #265 on: September 13, 2011, 08:39:36 PM

Even still, if you're up for a TS clearance you shouldn't sweat the fact that agents are interviewing prior acquaintances. It's just as awkward for your old stoner buddy as it is for you; they probably don't want to talk to The Man anyway, and certainly not about anything they could possibly be connected to.

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Reply #266 on: September 14, 2011, 05:44:03 AM

I'm not worried.  Worst thing I did was get picked up for public intox during college.  In any case, I would get it or not, nothing to cry over.

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Reply #267 on: October 10, 2011, 05:59:36 PM

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Job Description:
Hello, Please find the JD for FTE position UNIX Admin. Location : Albany,GA Qualified candidate must have US citizenship . The successful candidate must have or be able to obtain a Secret Clearance.

SEE!

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Reply #268 on: October 10, 2011, 07:25:13 PM

Oh, Secret is worlds easier than TS or TS-SCI.

You might as well give it a shot, see what they say.

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Reply #269 on: October 11, 2011, 01:10:37 AM

As long as you have nothing you are ashamed of, secret is easy to get.

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Reply #270 on: October 11, 2011, 03:26:34 PM

As long as you have nothing you are ashamed of, secret is easy to get.

Yep. Basically just a criminal records check.
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Reply #271 on: October 11, 2011, 05:19:15 PM

There's a big difference between "ashamed of" and "criminal".

I don't want the job anyway.  $85k for admin work, bleh.

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Reply #272 on: October 11, 2011, 05:29:57 PM

Yep. Basically just a criminal records check.

Um, I think it'd a tad more involved than that.

I don't want the job anyway.  $85k for admin work, bleh.

Is this snark? I have no idea what kind of salary those sorts of jobs command.

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Reply #273 on: October 11, 2011, 06:30:44 PM

Yep. Basically just a criminal records check.

Um, I think it'd a tad more involved than that.

I don't want the job anyway.  $85k for admin work, bleh.

Is this snark? I have no idea what kind of salary those sorts of jobs command.

No, Yes.

No Nerf, but I put a link to this very thread and I said that you all can guarantee for my purity. I even mentioned your case, and see if they can take a look at your lawn from a Michigan perspective.
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Reply #274 on: October 11, 2011, 06:47:24 PM

Do you think it depends on the agency doing the check?

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Reply #275 on: October 12, 2011, 11:47:54 AM

I'm trying to get out of UNIX administration and into IT architecture.  I could make lots more money (LOTS as in DOUBLE current) if I wanted to do short-term contract work with 70-hour weeks, but I don't.  I also don't want to do similar work for less money, that's dumb.  Apparently I already am in "obscene income" territory anyway.

The senior UNIX admin contractor seems to be getting about $65 per hour these days.  This could be a W2 position with a contracting firm, but it won't have health insurance.  I mostly pay attention to AIX but there is also some enterprise linux and HPUX out there, maybe a few poor Solaris bastards too.  When I ask for more than $65 I get nowhere. Ohhhhh, I see.

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Reply #276 on: October 12, 2011, 11:55:16 AM

This seems backwards.  It's certainly not my experience.

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Reply #277 on: October 12, 2011, 12:42:54 PM

Which part is backwards?  Wanting to be an IT Architect?

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Reply #278 on: October 12, 2011, 01:32:29 PM

No, if you WANT to do it, you go for it.

But Architecture for flashing boxes is fast falling by the wayside all over in the UK and niche markets, like Unix and other smaller and easier (and cheaper installations) are starting to demand Niche pricing which means our UNIX geeks are getting much more contract money.

So, I'm surprised that it's the case as you say;  But in 100% honesty, if you WANT to do something, pursue it with all your might.  I've currently 'settled' because I kinda had to and it fucking SUCKS.

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Reply #279 on: October 12, 2011, 01:36:49 PM

What I keep hearing here is that admin jobs are all going away to managed services and you have to become an architect to survive, but I am mostly hearing this from people selling managed services, so grain of salt and all that.

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