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Reply #1365 on: April 28, 2014, 12:49:56 PM

Unless you are trying out for a team in a black-dominated sport, in which case it's fine.

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Reply #1366 on: April 28, 2014, 04:54:07 PM

I've seen a lot of Europeans put pictures on their resumes, which has always baffled me - they also, unprompted, sometimes indicate ethnicity. Again, baffling.

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Reply #1367 on: April 28, 2014, 08:10:52 PM

Unless you are trying out for a team in a black-dominated sport, in which case it's fine.


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Reply #1368 on: April 29, 2014, 06:44:14 AM

Will your face get you hired?  This answer will inform whether to include a photo with your application.

I suppose that - strictly speaking - you'd want to know if your face will add value to the position that you are attempting to get.

As for ethnic boxes, that's something that I've wondered about as well because as far as I know these things aren't tracked in many cases.  I even asked Nix and have forgotten the answer, so it must have been uninformative.  I'd leave them unchecked unless I knew I would have a better chance by checking one or more of them.  This is the same principle which informs many people to leave off the picture.

Your name is likely to give you away in any case.

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Reply #1369 on: April 29, 2014, 07:06:06 AM

I've seen a lot of Europeans put pictures on their resumes, which has always baffled me - they also, unprompted, sometimes indicate ethnicity. Again, baffling.

I've been involved in the hiring processes for three European companies over the past couple of years and it's actually very common in Europe to include both. So common that not including a photo and indication of country-of-origin is considered unusual. Along with damn near every other detail of your life - I once sifted a CV for a guy nearing his forties which had everything he'd ever done, all the way down to flipping burgers when he was fifteen and the sports clubs he participated in during middle school.

I can't entirely say I understand or appreciate the ultradetailed CVs.
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Reply #1370 on: April 29, 2014, 08:10:19 AM

I've seen a lot of Europeans put pictures on their resumes, which has always baffled me - they also, unprompted, sometimes indicate ethnicity. Again, baffling.

I've been involved in the hiring processes for three European companies over the past couple of years and it's actually very common in Europe to include both. So common that not including a photo and indication of country-of-origin is considered unusual. Along with damn near every other detail of your life - I once sifted a CV for a guy nearing his forties which had everything he'd ever done, all the way down to flipping burgers when he was fifteen and the sports clubs he participated in during middle school.

I can't entirely say I understand or appreciate the ultradetailed CVs.

We're taught to do that in Highschool and although I never took one also recruiting courses in university (some are more international though I'm sure). Some people still even give the education and current job of their parents- at least until they turn 30. I remember somebody urging us to put a "Hobbies" category into our CVs. Because what we do when we don't work is "what really defines personality".  swamp poop

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Reply #1371 on: April 29, 2014, 10:23:44 AM

I know it is probably different outside of the U.S. but I am still a firm believer in the 1-page resume. I usually put the more descriptive filler information targeted towards the particular job in my cover letter (which I also keep to 1 page.) Unless it is for a job that requires a full Curriculum Vitae like an academic job, few people reviewing resumes ever see half of even what is on the first page and extra pages they may not even look at.

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Reply #1372 on: April 29, 2014, 10:50:57 AM

Maybe including the photo allows a shortcut around reading a nine-page CV.

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Reply #1373 on: April 29, 2014, 08:18:28 PM

I myself prefer the one page resume - rarely do people have enough items of significance to require more than that.

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Reply #1374 on: April 30, 2014, 12:10:13 AM

I myself prefer the one page resume - rarely do people have enough items of significance to require more than that.

Pretty much this. I can see going to two pages by the time you have ten+ years of experience or a shitton of completed projects, but even when I get the novel-style CV, I've usually made a go/no-go decision by the end of page one.

The rest just makes for amusing bar talk, when some mild-mannered-looking guy has 18 months of "Male Escort" experience buried in the middle pages.
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Reply #1375 on: April 30, 2014, 04:04:55 AM

I think it depends a ton on what that experience is, and whether or not it is relevant to what you are seeking.  Mine is a 2 and-a-half pager right now, but without going into details, it makes sense for the kind of background I have and the jobs I am looking for.  If you have a bunch of Male Escort and Burger Flipper on your CV and are applying for a lower level office position, then yeah, leave it off. 

Turns out that I am going to get an offer from the beer company I interviewed for.  They moved so fast that my head is spinning.  Should have a draft contract in my hand within a day or so.  Exciting!

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Reply #1376 on: April 30, 2014, 05:57:54 AM

You are going to be pouring draft beer?

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Reply #1377 on: April 30, 2014, 06:11:53 AM

Heh.  Yeah, I'll be schlepping ice cold beer at the local football stadium.  That's why my CV is so long, because it is just one long drunken ramble.

Actually, its Carlsberg, which not surprisingly has its HQ here in Denmark.




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Reply #1378 on: April 30, 2014, 07:50:40 PM

if you are an unattractive black male with a black sounding name you are screwed.



I'm an attractive bi-racial male with a very Scottish sounding name.  So I guess I'll embrace my inner whiteness more to get hired.   I did do an experiment and check the multi-race box and the "wish to not answer" box in my last application, and I have an interview tomorrow.  All the others, when I checked "black" I did not get a callback.   Ohhhhh, I see.

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Reply #1379 on: April 30, 2014, 09:58:21 PM

I was speed through the hiring process at my casino job because I was white and spoke good English in a predominantly broken-English & Asian employee base. While my bosses didn't explicitly state this, dealing school trainer, co-workers and customers all point this out matter-of-factly, no politically correct obfuscation. I knew my minority status would be an attractive hiring asset.
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Reply #1380 on: May 01, 2014, 07:04:33 AM


with a very Scottish sounding name. 


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Reply #1381 on: May 01, 2014, 07:10:55 AM

I remember somebody urging us to put a "Hobbies" category into our CVs. Because what we do when we don't work is "what really defines personality".  swamp poop
Depends on the hobby, but it does show a skillset you are naturally inclined to that may not be obvious from pure work data. Improvising with a team is probably my strongest skill, and there is some of that in my work history, but being a musician shows that it's not just something I do at work, it's a natural skill for me.

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Reply #1382 on: May 01, 2014, 07:33:11 AM


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Reply #1383 on: May 02, 2014, 09:50:25 AM

An idle question - how is the job market in NC?
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Reply #1384 on: May 02, 2014, 10:04:36 AM

An idle question - how is the job market in NC?

In what field?

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Reply #1385 on: May 02, 2014, 11:36:35 AM

IT, unfortunately.
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Reply #1386 on: May 02, 2014, 12:04:14 PM

I see things like THIS about NC often.  Research trianlge as well (Raleigh-Durham-Chapel Hill-Carey) is also an employment hotbed. 

I'm jealous.  I'd move back to NC in a heartbeat if I had the chance.  I loved my time in Chapel Hill.

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Reply #1387 on: May 02, 2014, 12:06:57 PM

There's a noticeable IT industry in NC, but I don't know offhand how it is doing.  That's where those Red Hat assholes are.

As for Charlotte, I like it better than Atlanta in many ways.  They seem to have working mass transit, for one thing.  Atlanta has a better sex trade, though.

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Reply #1388 on: May 04, 2014, 12:42:13 PM

I've seen a lot of Europeans put pictures on their resumes, which has always baffled me - they also, unprompted, sometimes indicate ethnicity. Again, baffling.
I know I'm late (Was on vacation), but yes.  Everybody in Poland puts a picture on their resume.  It does seem weird as hell as an American, but yeah..... just one of those things that happens outside the US.

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Reply #1389 on: May 04, 2014, 12:58:05 PM

Next time I submit a resume I'm gonna put attach a headshot of Nick Cage or Ernie Hudson or something and just not give any reason at all for it.
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Reply #1390 on: May 05, 2014, 05:59:19 AM

Ernie Hudson, if you want the job.

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Reply #1391 on: May 05, 2014, 06:39:58 AM

Just go with Fudge.
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Reply #1392 on: May 05, 2014, 09:43:43 AM

I signed a contract today, so I've rejoined the ranks of the employed.  I will kind of miss being unemployed, it was fabulous.  

Superfastninjaedit:  not to make light of unemployment.

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Reply #1393 on: May 05, 2014, 10:35:21 AM

Unemployment does have a small number of pros, but the cons are pretty bad.

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Reply #1394 on: May 05, 2014, 11:54:17 AM

It helps that I had one of those unemployments where I continued to be well paid.

I was more thinking about the "doing whatever the shit I wanted" part of it.

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Reply #1395 on: May 05, 2014, 11:58:51 AM

It helps that I had one of those unemployments where I continued to be well paid.

Where can I get me one of those?  why so serious?

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Reply #1396 on: May 05, 2014, 01:25:14 PM

It helps that I had one of those unemployments where I continued to be well paid.

Where can I get me one of those?  why so serious?

From one of those jobs wherein you work directly for a richfuck who feels bad after you get laid off, since he shorted your salary all the many years you worked for him anyways.  In the end, he's still way ahead even if he gives you a year's severance, and comes out looking/feeling like a saint.

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Reply #1397 on: May 07, 2014, 08:49:52 PM

I've got a very white sounding last name and one of the whitest resumes you'll ever see. (Ivy League, NHL, Investment Bank, PE Firm, Apple) yeah, I'm a fuckton of a surprise after phone interviews.  awesome, for real

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Reply #1398 on: May 07, 2014, 11:37:52 PM

I've always thought your posts come across as very white, too.

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Reply #1399 on: May 08, 2014, 03:21:09 AM

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