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Strazos
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Reply #945 on: April 06, 2013, 03:42:19 PM

They'll fully pay for her to come along with you as well!

But yeah, I understand.  I'm amazed about how many of my co-workers are married with children.  Crazy lifestyle for that, it seems to me, but they seem to manage.  

It makes certain types of posts (ie - boring as shit AF posts with limited travel options) way more bearable.

Funny. In Australia the Department of Foreign Affairs is one of the harder places to get a grad position.

I'm not sure what you mean by grad position, but it's historically been pretty hard to get in - something like 2% of people who apply make it all the way to getting and accepting a job offer. Personally, I'm not sure it's actually "difficult" to get in, in the classical sense of the word; you either have that certain something the examiners are looking for, or you don't. Some of my entry classmates went to top-end schools for international studies and studied for the test because they knew for years it's what they wanted, whereas I went to a small state university for history (not even something the school is necessarily known for) and did practically zero prep. At this point, the only difference between us is that they (probably) paid tons more for school than I did, only to end up in the same job. Ohhhhh, I see.

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Reply #946 on: April 06, 2013, 04:23:35 PM

What exactly do you do in foreign affairs (you as in the general job employment population, not specifically strazos)
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Reply #947 on: April 07, 2013, 09:11:09 PM

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Strazos
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Reply #948 on: April 09, 2013, 11:45:15 AM

What exactly do you do in foreign affairs (you as in the general job employment population, not specifically strazos)

I'll have to direct you to wikipedia, unless someone actually wants me to babble about my personal opinion a bit. why so serious?

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Reply #949 on: April 09, 2013, 11:59:56 AM

Oh go for it Strazos.  It's not like everyone else doesn't do it once in a while and I bet it's an interesting story.
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Reply #950 on: April 09, 2013, 12:34:58 PM

Just for clarification, Strazos is in to do the actual diplomatic work (officer), I'm in as a specialist.  Specifically, administering and fixing the computer networks/telephone systems/radios/satellites/every piece of technology they can find.  Exact same job Sean Smith (Vile Rat) was doing, if any of you follow eve.  So I was referring to Schild going into this job, since he writes well, and knows tech, which is key for getting in (I write horribly, so I spent ages perfecting my application).  Still statistically a very difficult job to get into (only 10% of applicants got called in for an interview, and only 15% of them passed the interview for my specific class, we where told), but if I can do it, I figure some of you can as well.   awesome, for real 

You also need to be able to pass a fairly rigorous background check since with this specific job, you're in charge of all the  NDA systems and information.  So there's also that.

Getting in as an officer is even more statistically hard, though as Strazos says, if you're the right type of person you can breeze on in despite not having an Ivy League degree like most of them.

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Reply #951 on: April 10, 2013, 06:04:56 AM

I thought for a nanosecond about being a bonded courier (a visible spy basically) for the foreign service.  If I was still single with wanderlust I'd be all over that.

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Reply #952 on: April 10, 2013, 02:21:45 PM

Well, I'll have to split my response into two portions:

My first job straight out of entry training was to serve as a Counter-Piracy Officer in the Pol-Mil Bureau...but what does that mean? Well, what I told people was that it was my job to help formulate, implement, and advance US foreign policy as it related to countering piracy off the coast of Somalia. What it ended up being was a lot of writing and some public speaking - writing briefing materials for principals meeting with foreign interlocutors, helping to run godawful large meetings at the UN in NYC, talking at industry conferences about what the USG is doing, among a bunch of other things. Also helped transform a temporary staff unit into a full-fledged office, which is more work than you'd think. Did a bunch of little things that were pretty interesting, like draft a SOP for USN on what to do with pirates when they're picked up (before the lawyers took it to argue the finer points), observe a trial for some pirates who had the bright idea to attack a USN frigate (and almost got called as a witness on whether lawyers exist in Somalia), and try to troubleshoot a US shipper no longer being allowed to transit the Suez Canal after the embarked security team had the bright idea to hop in a taxi with their guns and arrive at the airport in Cairo.

After that, I spent an ungodly amount of time learning French before shipping out to the be sole Consular Officer (or "Consular Chief...by default" as I like to call it) in a small west African nation. The country is very poor, there's not much of an anglophone expat community (and I consider trying to use my French socially outside of the office to be too much..."work"), and there are very few "local" travel opportunities due the terrible roads and infrastructure (also, I'm afraid to break down in the bush). The work is pretty tough as well - rebuilding a section and training up entirely new staff from scratch (having never done consular work previously), fighting to get ahead of the curve on rampant fraud, breaking the bad news to people that you don't just get to pick up a child from an orphanage and take it home with you...among other things. While I know I'll be sad to leave some great coworkers and friends behind, I will not be sad to go back to the US late this year when my tour is up.

So that's what I do, or have done. Speaking generally, Generalists are split into 5 cones - Consular, Management, Political, Economic, and Public Diplomacy:

 - Consular folks generally deal with visas, immigration benefits, and assisting US citizens abroad with a whole host of things. They're also some of the last people to leave in an evacuation, in order to assist people.
 - Management-coned officers generally deal with the running of a mission - finances, services, etc. It takes a lot of back-end work to support a mission.
 - Political and Economic officers do similar work, and are interchangeable in some places - they're the ones out schmoozing with people (though all cones do their share of that), reporting on what's happening in the country (general news and behind the scenes-type stuff). This ranges from deliberations on new penal codes, to the (dys)function of major ports, to economic policy, to opposition politics, and a lot more. In a sense, my first job was something of a political job, but I'm picky so it's not a job I would care for in most places.
 - Public Diplomacy folks are our overseas propaganda folks - make people love America! Though they do a lot of honestly good work as well - a lot of programming to reach out to local populations to talk about all sorts of stuff - LGBT issues, democracy, human rights, entrepreneurship, and a whole swath of other things. They're also the press section for a mission, so they deal with local media a lot.

As a generalist, you should be able to theoretically work a job in any cone, and the higher you go the more the lines between them blur - you're top-end officers are going to be decent in multiple domains.

I think I'm going to go pass out in my mosquito net-covered bed now. Ohhhhh, I see.

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Reply #953 on: April 10, 2013, 02:31:23 PM

Coned.

awesome, for real

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Reply #954 on: April 11, 2013, 02:48:12 PM

And oddly enough, and I need to come back in here today because I've finally been tenured (on the first pass).

Basically it means that the Dept would like me to stick around for the foreseeable future. Job security is a good thing.

Unfortunately, I get to celebrate by doing a lot of work this weekend and next week. why so serious?

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Reply #955 on: April 11, 2013, 02:55:21 PM

Congrats!

That sounds like a terribly boring job for me, but hey different strokes :)
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Reply #956 on: April 11, 2013, 07:59:34 PM

I don't know... if you replace some of the words, it could be a day at my job.

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Reply #957 on: April 12, 2013, 09:15:29 AM

Its all a pack of lies. He plays World of Tanks from a hut. That's it.

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Reply #958 on: April 12, 2013, 11:17:25 AM

Same for Engels-shingles comment. awesome, for real

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Reply #959 on: April 12, 2013, 03:21:23 PM

Strange days.  In last 3 weeks had a few opportunities pop up within the company (each one better then the last).  Decided to go for one which I am almost a shoe-in for located down in Tampa- advised my current org I was going for it and out of the blue an opportunity with my current organization popped up with full relocation (read, sack of cash) that I am ridiculously qualified for under my old boss.

Today a company who has cold offered me positions in management asked if I could have lunch with them next week.

Must be that time of year!

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Reply #960 on: April 12, 2013, 03:58:13 PM

Yes, that time of the year when octodad has better career prospects than me.
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Reply #961 on: April 12, 2013, 05:26:40 PM

Grats Cheddar! I'm thinking about options as well these days.

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Reply #962 on: April 12, 2013, 05:52:31 PM

Seems like everyone is thinking about options these days.  More and more people definitely complaining about hating the same old grind of their current job.
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Reply #963 on: April 12, 2013, 06:31:41 PM

Seems like everyone is thinking about options these days.  More and more people definitely complaining about hating the same old grind of their current job.

People hated them for a while is my guess, but the economy was in the shitter. Now it's letting up a bit and people realize they can find something else instead of surviving.

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Reply #964 on: April 12, 2013, 06:39:00 PM

We've had a serious amount of people leave since January.  Somewhat worrying that they're really not replacing their jobs, or at least very slowly at least.

I'm taking a stab at my first big-boy job with an interview soon for a QA Engineer for our site.  Really out of my wheelhouse as a front end developer in training, but they came to me about it, so why not give it a shot?  It will give me a seriously different way of looking at things if I get it.  They're automated testing using nUnit and Selenium, so this will be interesting. 
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Reply #965 on: April 13, 2013, 03:23:54 PM

Congrats, Selenium is pretty cool but personally I would enjoy front end development over being a QA engineer.
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Reply #966 on: April 13, 2013, 05:19:00 PM

Thanks.  It's more of a stepping stone from what I'm doing now, which is community side.  End goal being on the Front end side, sometime in the next two years hopefully.  I should graduate next summer, if all goes well.
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Reply #967 on: April 14, 2013, 10:35:53 AM

Congrats!

That sounds like a terribly boring job for me, but hey different strokes :)

There's a bit of that for sure. But at least consular people get all the stories - mostly about either people trying to break the law to get an immigration benefit, or just people being people.

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Reply #968 on: April 17, 2013, 01:23:53 PM

Sitting in front of my computer at work as I write this. In ~35 minutes my work-day is over and I am officially out of a job at FC. Next up, back to Norway to ruin myself financially and mentally by co-founding an indie development company (if everything goes according to plan) o_O. Wish me luck; I'm going to need it!

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Reply #969 on: April 17, 2013, 01:43:34 PM

Good luck in Norway. Send hats!

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Reply #970 on: April 17, 2013, 01:44:13 PM

Sitting in front of my computer at work as I write this. In ~35 minutes my work-day is over and I am officially out of a job at FC. Next up, back to Norway to ruin myself financially and mentally by co-founding an indie development company (if everything goes according to plan) o_O. Wish me luck; I'm going to need it!
You are in better shape than me, I'm waiting on callbacks and have about a month's rent left in the bank. WHOOOOO.

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Reply #971 on: April 17, 2013, 04:01:15 PM

Even if you're rich, living in Norway will fix that right up for you!  Then you'll have to leave.  Nearly no one in my family in Norway could stay after University.  They went off somewhere else to work so they could make enough money to go back and get a job.  And they're not even in Oslo!  At least that's the way it's been for the last 50 years or so.  My grandfather's time was great.  They had farms and could live where they wanted to live.  When I'm very old and completely broke, I'll go live in Romania.  You can last decades on a bag of pennies.

I hope every one finds jobs they LOVE.  Really really soon.  For the sake of rent.

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Reply #972 on: April 17, 2013, 06:02:23 PM

Sitting in front of my computer at work as I write this. In ~35 minutes my work-day is over and I am officially out of a job at FC. Next up, back to Norway to ruin myself financially and mentally by co-founding an indie development company (if everything goes according to plan) o_O. Wish me luck; I'm going to need it!
G'luck!

Celebrate by figuring out if that donut company got off the ground and ordering a dozen.

Hahahaha!  I'm really good at this!
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Reply #973 on: April 17, 2013, 07:44:34 PM

The best way to end up with a small fortune in Norway is to start with a large one.

schild: Will they let you know if you don't get the job(s), or do they only actually call you back if they want to offer you a position? In any case, hope things work out.

Lantyssa: Donut company! Haven't heard how that went. Who was that? Photek? (Fake edit: Yep, it was. Also, his account shows activity from April 2013! Photek, give us an update already! :P)

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Reply #974 on: April 17, 2013, 11:20:52 PM

schild: Will they let you know if you don't get the job(s), or do they only actually call you back if they want to offer you a position? In any case, hope things work out.
No one calls anyone back these days really.
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Reply #975 on: April 18, 2013, 06:18:14 AM

State Agencies usually send a letter, I did notice that the OAG's job is no longer posted.
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Reply #976 on: April 18, 2013, 06:23:59 AM

State Agencies usually send a letter, I did notice that the OAG's job is no longer posted.
They definitely responded to me when I told them what they wanted and what they posted were two different things. They took that job down right fast when I told them.
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Reply #977 on: April 18, 2013, 06:28:28 AM

schild: Will they let you know if you don't get the job(s), or do they only actually call you back if they want to offer you a position? In any case, hope things work out.
No one calls anyone back these days really.

This appears to be universal then - as it happens over here almost all the time.  Agencies (who have a duty of care to you) are particularly annoying in this regard...

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Reply #978 on: April 18, 2013, 06:44:34 AM

Is EA hiring?  My understanding is they aren't all that soul sucking if you aren't on a dev team.  Of course my knowledge is only based on 1 person who seems to enjoy working there but he is more of a Yegolev level systems type (real Linux systems though!).
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Reply #979 on: April 18, 2013, 06:58:04 AM

I don't know if this really helps anyone here, but Devon Energy is hiring a few IT related positions in Oklahoma City.

http://jobs.dvn.com/careers/information-technology-jobs/job-list-1

I have friends who work for them here in Calgary and have pretty positive things to say.

Have you tried the internet? It's made out of millions of people missing the point of everything and then getting angry about it
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