Your very first post

[Lakov_Sanite]

While looking at a necro thread in wow discussion it got me to thinking about what my first post here was. I think it might be fun to see what everyone's very first words here were.

mine from....jesus, 2004?!

So there's a new site, new direction and whatnot that's cool but what gets me is, do we need this many forums? what is general discussion for if not news of the day or talking about movies and such really. why even have gen disc if all it's going to be is "this site sucks" or "how boog lost his virginity" posts. 

my suggestion would be

1.front page comments.
2.multimedia(games,books,tv,movies all aspects including design)
3.general disc( taiwanese whores, what's new with you stupid people in enws etc)
4. politics(the volatile nature demands a diff forum)

anyway just a suggestion, as i see too many 'comunity' sites with 20 diff forums with maybe one new topic a day in each


EDIT: i will never take back my horrid spelling, Nevar!

[dusematic]

Maybe you overlooked the fact that he prefaced the sentence with "unless you're an ultra right wing tightwad."

I guess you could say I've stayed true to my roots. 

[Trippy]

I'm less pedantic now*

Plus added their own ideas such as Chaos which is pretty unique by itself and infects the very bones of the empire meaning the corruption runs deep and everyone is doomed (tm).  The 4 chaos gods themselves Nurgle (death decay), Slaanesh (The god of Sexual depavity), Tzeentch (randomness and Magic) and Khorne (the Blood God) provide plenty of scope for original material.

The Chaos concept is not original to Warhammer. It is part of the Glorantha mythos that Greg Stafford created in the late 1960s and popularized in the RuneQuest RPG first released in 1978 (and still my favorite RPG). There was even an appendix in the Chaosium editions that allowed you to roll for special Chaos "traits" like an extra appendage if you happened to be tainted by Chaos which is very similar to what you can do with Chaos tainted armies in Warhammer. Warhammer wasn't released until like 1983 and White Dwarf used to just cover RPGs like RuneQuest before it became a strictly in house magazine and so the Games Workshop guys had to have been familiar with the Glorantha mythos.

If warhammer is not unique then someone should tell blizzard who have ripped off countless ideas over the years like the empire steam engines, dwarf gyrocopters etc from GW.

And Starcraft is a ripoff of Warhammer 40K (which is itself a ripoff of other games/books/movies/etc. just like Warhammer).

* only cause I don't have as much time

[HaemishM]

This is entirely too similar to today.

Wow, a sell-out. What the fuck are you, 12?

Sell-out implies any of us is getting paid. When there's no money involved, how the fuck can you sell out?

Waterthread is and always has been Joe's playground. Sometimes he gives people like me the pail and shovel and let's me dig in the sandbox. If he ever told me "I don't want you to write about MMOG's" then I wouldn't write about MMOG's or I wouldn't get published on here.

There's fuckall new to say about MMOG's. They've made zero progress since I started playing them and they've made zero progress since I started writing about them. I've been racking my brain trying to come up with something to say about MMOG's that amounts to more than "You suck, your children will suck, and future generations will laugh at your naivete." Joe's in the same boat, probably worse off than me, since he seems to be playing EQ again or something.

Waterthread can be about more than just MMOG's. Console games, movies, politics, general bitching, sounds good to me. Hell, I watch more movies than film critics, I just never wrote front page stuff about them because we were mostly about MMOG's. Now we're not, you may actually see more front page stuff.

Don't you want to hear my views on Oliver Stone's career?

[WayAbvPar]

Apparently this was mine-

Is this the right forum for this? Should we have one catch all thread, or break it down by sport? I NEED somewhere to gloat about my upcoming romp through the WT fantasy baseball league, and to lament about my March Madness bracket getting eviscerated the first day.

See? I am a community-building saint. Forget that 90% of the rest of my early posts were screeds and flames 

[Nebu]

The current political solution is to throw copious amounts of cash at it and miraculously, it will be fixed.

March 24, 04.  Has it been that long?  

I'd laugh at my first waterthread and lumthemad posts.  I was much more angsty back then.  

[Fordel]

I'd buy that, if I saw a raid of people kill something like C'Thun in AuctionHouse greens.

Rasix scolded me for such a shitty first post soon after!

[Rasix]

I don't know if this transition will work or the site will die. I don't really care. But I don't really mind that we've decided not to become so attached at the hip to a really stale and unimaginative niche genre of games.

I'm sure we'll still have nice lively debates about the MMORPG arena. With WoW, EQII, GuildWars and Sigil's Treadmill++ on the horizon, we'll be knee deep in discussion about a games that have learned less from the past than your average crack addict.

I seem like the same person.  I was possibly a bit meaner and more cynical.

[Ingmar]

Mine was shockingly both D&D- and correcting-someone related.

Just exactly where do you think the DIKU model came from in the first place!

EDIT: For some reason I registered and then waited over a year to actually post. 

[Rasix]

I'd laugh at my first waterthread and lumthemad posts.  I was much more angsty back then.  

Me too.  I was such an angry, dumb kid.

[Polysorbate80]

It's a dead elf.

Shoot it a couple of times to make sure.  It could just be faking.

Nice to know I'm still me!

[Rendakor]

Ahh Hellgate, how you played with my heart.

QFT. The monthly fee is there for people who WANT the extra stuff, but the free option is there so people who dont want to pay monthly can still play. Kids who can't use mommy's credit card come to mind. And I know I'd be more than willing to shell out $10/month (less than most MMO fees anyway) for less bullshit timesinks.

Look at it this way: $50 gets you the single player game and the ability to play online. If you're only going to solo or play with your friends than thats all you spend. Wanna play it as an MMO (or at least an online RPG; Diablo II was capped at what, 8 players per game?) then you have the option of getting more features for a fee.

[Ironwood]

What the Fuck.

I see nothing in that article that even suggests that it's not a concern of heterosexual men.

[murdoc]

The Murdoc Bandwagon is BACK!

Took me awhile to journey back over here, but looking forward to being back in this league, last year's waterthread league was arguably the best one I was in last year.

FYI the Bucs are BACK this year!

I felt that BACK was a word that need emphasis.

[ghost]

My first post was in the Warhammer online board.  That's about all you need to know about it..... 

[proudft]

EDIT: For some reason I registered and then waited over a year to actually post.  

I might have waited that long, but I only ended up waiting a month and a half because a bunch of WAR sycophants showed up and there were threats of bannings of users who registered and didn't post.  So mine was:

Damn, I have to post now?

I didn't think it was THAT long ago, I still feel like this is a 'new' board for me, but apparently, almost two years.  Hrmph.

[Reg]

on: March 18, 2004, 11:32:25 am

http://www.kingdomofloathing.com/

You get 80 turns a day and I think it's going to turn into a daily addiction.  Check it out. :)

Wow, I guess kingdom of loathing was new back then too.

[Simond]

Never whistle when you're pissing.

Still sage advise, even today.


...and then I didn't post again for over a year. 

[brellium]

I would never find my first post sadly with my handle I would get 6 billion links to Everquest.  I should probably be happy for that.

[Trippy]

Explore the page the PROFILE button takes you to.

[Bunk]

March 18, 2004, 07:57:59 am



I like the idea of opening up the topics on these boards a little.  I frequented WTo because it was one of the few boards left with a good mix of IQ and hate.  Now we might actually have somewhere intelligent to talk about how much we hate current media of other forms as well.

I also like the ide of this board because I've come to realize that at 32 I double the average age of most of the posters on Rotten Tomatoes' forums, so that place has pretty much gone to shit for getting a useful opinion on something.  So, I'll start the ball rolling here with a movie I just recently bought, that I would like to hear some other opinions on.

Ginger Snaps

Canadian, 2000

I'm curious what other people thought of this movie, if anyone else has in fact seen it.  Its a low budget Canadian horror about two sisters living in a nondescript suburb that have a runin with a werewolf.  Keeping this as spoiler free as possible, its a story that mixes the trials of puberty and social acceptance with becoming a werewolf and wanting to eat all of the neighbour's dogs...  Beleive it or not, it actually works.

The acting is top notch by both of the lead actresses, and the story is much more involved and creative than what you find in your typical teen horrors these days.  I really wish I could see more movies like this without having to hunt them out at the divey little downtown arthouses where they actually get shown.

So has anyone else out there actually seen this movie, or have an oppinion?

Guess I was more long winded back then. I think my first LtM post was something about my discovery that there were forums beyond the front page comments thread.

[Arthur_Parker]

First post here was about the move.

I just hope we start to see game reviews again with pretty pictures, I like pretty pictures.

Can't remember what my first post on ltm was but I know it was under a different forum name, I changed names after one of the many forum moves there.  I don't know what my first post on vnboards was but it must have been a good one about UO, when I remembered the account a couple of years later and tried to login again I discovered I was banned.

[Paelos]

Last time I checked we were still allowed to post what we wanted on the sites within reason, and that didn't seem to ever stop anybody from talking about whatever they wanted to. Nor did it stop people from derailing the conversations about other stuff.

We are a group of political, angry gamers. I doubt we'll stop talking about games in any variety.

Yep, posting about the move as well. And that we are all angry.

It still applies. I believe in my first post on WT.o I quoted something Boog said, and he called me a fag.

[IainC]

Goodness, Rhetorical Question here, but is that a JOKE ?

Who thought that would be a good idea ?

No it's not true.

On topic: GMs should be heard but not seen IMO. We were often ingame for various reasons, our GM identities were known to the players and they could /send us messages for urgent issues. Mostly though we fixed stuff without having to appear in a clap of thunder and surrounded by an angelic chorus. Occasionally I decloaked to shout at some evildoers or to sort out an ingame territory dispute - stuff like that is more effective when the players can physically see you and can relate to you visually rather than just as lines of gold text in their chat window. For 99.9% of the stuff we handled though we were strictly a background presence. Anything else is an unnecessary distraction and just stokes the ego of your CS peons.

Talking about CS and CM for a game that was in development at the time. Did anyone ever play that?

[schild]

My first post, that no one except Ookii, Trippy, Shockeye, Haemish, Joe and Soulflame have ever seen.

[Nerf]

I have since discovered that panties aren't actually the best thing in the world, they're next to the best thing in the world.

I also stay out of the game design/dev forum now, because it just makes me angry that no one fucking does anything different.  Where is jumpgate evolution goddamnit?

Yes, I realize I'm an evil bastard for resurrecting this, but panties get me hot.

I think alot of the questions and comments people have been saying here have actually already been answered, some have been implemented and we can see the problems that arose from it.

#1) Time spent progression  -  Eve Online has this exact system in place, and it's both brilliant and frustrating at the same time.  There are no classes, races are only important for the min/maxers who want that extra 1.5% bonus, you choose whatever you want to be, even if you want to be everything.  The issue with this is that there is no way to speed it up.  I played Eve for several months, I got to a pretty sporty mid-level spot, nice battleship, some t2 gear (phat lewts), etc.  It's about the 3-4 month (5-7mil skillpoint) mark that you realize that there is absolutely no way to compete with the older players.  Sure, you'll max out core skills for one "class" choice in about a year, but this just means that they have to play rock to your scissors, and you have to wait another year to play paper.

#2) Open-ended class choices - As stated above, Eve did it an acceptable job making a game that doesn't pigeonholed you, while insuring that noone could ever beat the people who started first.  What surprises me is that Asherons Call very rarely comes into discussions on this board, save for the clusterfuck that was AC2.  (Did anyone ever actually PLAY AC2? What the fuck was turbine thinking?)
  I started AC shortly after its release, hot off of UO and itching for some 3D PK.  The standard RPG choices were all there, choose your name, do you enjoy getting constantly hit on by hordes of middle-aged obese nerds who still live at home, are you black/white/a midget/a pony/etc.  Then came the class selection, except instead of the standard diku mag/cle/thf/war/rog/cle/mnk/sor/pony was an extensive list of skills, the options to train/untrain/specialize in different skills and a few "suggestions" that could be modified to your hearts contentment.
    As you leveled, your skills raised both automatically by use, or you could choose to spend XP anywhere you like, including stats which act as modifiers against different schools.  Total freedom.

That was 8..9 years ago, and not a single mmorpg has even come close to the level of customization that we had in one of the very first MMOs on the market.

[pxib]

So far as I can tell, the only outwardly identifiable trade skill is Engineering. Their goggles and gadgets give engineers away. Ironically, this is the ONE tradeskill that spends most of its time producing goods useless to anybody other than its own devotees. Engineers share the need for anvils with Blacksmiths, but unless you catch the latter at his work he could be any passing schmo. The goggles and gadgets not only allow identification of engineers, but with a little fore-knowledge they let one gauge the depth of their discipline: The color of goggles, complexity of device.

Would professional traders be well served by such arbitrary trappings? Elaborate aprons and hammers for blacksmiths? Stylish vests and scissors for tailors? Unusual hats and wands for enchanters?

Unfortunately I don't think I've gotten less pedantic.

[Segoris]

This was from the Tonight, Tonight thread, though I can't remember what the top half was about I still agree with the bottom half.

-Primus - My Name is Mud & Jerry Was A Race Car Driver

-Korn - Freak On A Leash
I greatly prefer other songs over this, but the video was great and

-Filter - Trip Like I Do
Even their remixes of this and Hey Man Nice Shot are fucking amazing

-Jane's Addiction - Been Caught Stealin'



On a side note:

To be fair, Nrivana was overrated... 

^ This is so fucking true.

I absolutely agree and believe that Nirvana was given a lot of misplaced credit for booming alternative music. I'm not a huge fan of the following person, but I have to give much more credit to Perry Farrel and Lollapalooza for the 1990's explosion and the alternative scene compared to Nirvana.

[Lantyssa]

I started with a post on balance...

I'm not against stealth, they are fun classes to play (the Thief series is tremendous).  I'm against putting a combat class into a mmo game that starts with a large (in WoW, very large) advantage and is difficult to balance... because it's just noise that distracts from being innovative.  Devs have done a bunch of broken stealth classes, let's focus on something new that's tuff to do, eh?

Part of the difficulty in balance comes from giving a class multiple extreme abilities when others have fewer or only moderate ones.  (By extreme I mean it works very well when conditions allow.)  To use generic archtypes, mages are generally thought of as having extreme damage but are weak in other areas.  Warriors can take a beating.  Rogues get stealth usually coupled with an initial high damage attack.  Even though they may not deal as much damage over time as either, the initial attack often determines the outcome.  If they can run away should things go poorly and hide, either to heal wounds or to launch another attack, then they manage to have offense and defense better than their counterparts.

The one implimentation of stealth I really enjoyed was in a MUD.  We converted the stock Diku illusionist to a shadowmage.  They gained a rouge's stealth, but their overall damage was less than a mage's and they gained no extra damage when attacking from hiding.  For the patient they could still be very powerful since they were able to choose their battles, however it took some skill to beat mobs that other classes could stand toe to toe with.

[taleril]

I'd love an invite.  I wonder how many other lurkers this might cause to register and post.  Anyway, hope the inviting goes well and whatnot.

taleril
taleril@hotmail.com

How appropriate.  My first post was coming out of lurker mode to get a gmail invite.  And since then i've... lurked.  5.3 posts/year.  Go lurkers!

[K9]

Deus Ex - Ion Storm - PC - 2000
Grim Fangango - Lucasarts - PC - 1998
Freelancer - Digital Anvil - PC - 2003
Half-Life 2 - Valve - PC - 2004
CIV 4 - Firaxis - PC - 2005
Starcraft - Blizzard - PC - 1998
Fallout 2 - Black Isle - PC - 1998
Syndicate Wars - Bullfrog - PC - 1996
Theme Hospital - Bullfrog - PC - 1997
Dungeon Keeper 2 - Bullfrog - PC - 1999
Road Rash - EA - PC - 1991
Final Fantasy X - Square - PS2 - 2001
Duke Nukem 3D - 3D Realms - PC - 1996
Tekken 5 - Namco - PS2 - 2005
Thief II - Looking Glass Studios - PC - 2000
Diablo II - Blizzard North - PC - 2000
Command & Conquer - Westwood Studios - PC - 1995
Goldeneye - Rare - N64 - 1997
Tony Hawks IV - Neversoft - PS2 - 2002
Portal  - Valve - PC - 2007

Impeccable taste, as ever 

[rattran]

I've had a few map disconnects, some soul-crushing lag (on dialup temporarily) but it's by far the smoothest launch.

No sticking in walls, no unkillable mobs, and fun from the start. The complete opposite of AO.

The few times I have lost connection, there haven't been any negative effects.

Not terribly exciting. Still think the CoX launch(es) have been exemplary. Even if I never play anymore.

[sinij]

My first post... highlighted important parts:

*GASP* I still enjoy playing ShadowBane *HORROR*. All problems Joe mentioned are still there but other than occasional lag spike during prime time are not common. During the last month of playing 2-3 hours a day and participating in 1-2 large sieges a week, I got 2 Sb.exe and maybe some lag and server was down once for 3 hours after large patch. Again technical issues are there but by no means game stopping – no longer outcome of sieges determined by low percentage of people survived Sb.exe and no longer it is siege-by-mail. Servers hold well with battles of 30-40 players on the each side, and its get unplayable only if you get to 250+ people on each side all stacked.

... and F13 is circling the drain ever since since then.

I'd be curious what my first LTM post was... but I bet it would be laughing at Lum and Co for calling PKs and PvPers antisocial griefers. I still haven't changes my views, only now I am able to drag people down to my level and beat with experience a lot more efficiently.

I wonder if anyone got their first in SirBruce penis threads... do you go ahead and post it or skip to #2 (or 3) ?

[MahrinSkel]

Auto Assault is my bet for "Biggest Surprise Hit".  Nobody is lukewarm about this game after they play it, your reaction is either "Meh," or it's "OMG DID YOU FREAKING SEE THAT!?!?!!"  It will be the most male demographic of any MMO on the market (armored cars with giant guns blowing up massive amounts of stuff isn't a girl thing), but I'm betting it will be a hit (not a 50K marginal success, but 100K+).

--Dave (in the interests of full disclosure, I've put in a resume for a position with ND on Auto Assault.  But I loved the game before I knew about the position)

Well, that didn't go quite the way I thought.  On the other hand, the game I was raving about was *nothing* like the "EverQuest as cars" that actually got released.

--Dave

[Cheddar]

This frightens and confuses me!  I am separating from the military shortly and it is a pretty scary thing beginning the job hunt after 6 years.  How is the IT industry doing in the civilian sector?  Any tips or advice would be appreciated!


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Ironically what people said was true.