Torchlight II (not the MMO)

[Hawkbit]

Maybe.  It's just frustrating to see millions of people throw $60 at shit after shit Bioware games, then these guys at Runic are shooting for a $20 game and lots of people are waiting for a "sale".  Chalk it up to another "why we can't have nice things" idea.

[Ingmar]

People have different tastes in games, shocking I know.

Also, timing matters. I'm not going to buy this at release not because I don't think it is worth $20 (although I felt the first Torchlight was kind of pushing it), but because I'm going to be busy playing other things when it comes out (assuming July 2012 is the date.) Why not wait for a sale in that case?

[Paelos]

I will probably but it in September or something.

[Azazel]

Maybe.  It's just frustrating to see millions of people throw $60 at shit after shit Bioware games, then these guys at Runic are shooting for a $20 game and lots of people are waiting for a "sale".  Chalk it up to another "why we can't have nice things" idea.

I've got 234 games on steam. I've only played a handful of them for more than, say, 30 minutes or an hour. (Torchlight 1 has clocked 32mins, but that includes being idle at the options screens etc). So I'm in no rush to buy the sequel, especially since I have a 1-year WoW pass, free D3 coming in a week and a half, a fuckton of co-op 360 games for my wife and I to play, and my friends just wanna play LotRO.

Also, it's on Steam. My Steam policy these days is not to touch anything until it goes on sale. Unless I've gotten some kind of boxed CE and it comes with a steam registration. (Space Marine). Toy Soldiers looks good - I played the demo on XBL. I'll wait till that is $5 or under, since I know I'm unlikely to actually play it much. I also don't pay $60 (or AU$100!) for Bioware games on release.

[Hawkbit]

I will buy it day one, or maybe even pre-order.  I'd like to see a persistent Torchlight world come to fruition, and that's not likely if they don't turn a profit on Torchlight 2. 

Also, Torchlight is the only serious competitor to the Diablo series and I feel that supporting Torchlight should help Blizzard make a better game.  Blizzard tends to thrive on taking other people's ideas and fleshing them out.  $20 seems like a small investment to me for the potential outcome. 

Ultimately, I feel that Runic is one of the developers that deserves support, and if people don't support them then it's one more indie shop closed and that much more going to EA/Activison. 

[Malakili]

Someone made the point on the last page that Torchlight 2 would be worth buying for when Battle.net is down.  That is a good point and I'm considering doing that now.

[FieryBalrog]

I'm buying. I don't know about Day 1, but I don't care about waiting for a sale, it just depends on if I'm in the mood when it comes out. $20 isn't much given that it's supposed to be much bigger than TL1.

$20 for TL1 was a little on the high end but it did help Runic get on their feet so who cares.

[Xanthippe]

I like to support game devs who make products that I enjoy, in hopes of encouraging them to make more games for me to enjoy.

But then, I have only a few steam games, most of my gaming budget going toward MMOs the past 10 years, and I'm staying away from mmos for now. I'd likely wait for a sale if I had 200 steam games.

[Fabricated]

I'm gonna buy it because I think it'll provide a different enough experience that it'll be fun to play even in the presence of D3. Also it'll be a lot less "srs bzns" in regards to patching/class balance since it's not tied to a real money AH and "always online" authentication. If their mod tools are decent we'll hopefully see some cool shit out of that.

[Yegolev]

I will buy it and pretend it is Mythos.  Fuck Bill Roper in his zug-zug.

[NiX]

I like to support game devs who make products that I enjoy, in hopes of encouraging them to make more games for me to enjoy.

But then, I have only a few steam games, most of my gaming budget going toward MMOs the past 10 years, and I'm staying away from mmos for now. I'd likely wait for a sale if I had 200 steam games.

Don't ever wait for steam sales if you get a large number of games. It makes buying stuff a habit and less of a decision. It's the reason I have 185 games on Steam and I feel terrible.

[Margalis]

I've got 234 games on steam. I've only played a handful of them for more than, say, 30 minutes or an hour. (Torchlight 1 has clocked 32mins, but that includes being idle at the options screens etc). So I'm in no rush to buy the sequel, especially since I have a 1-year WoW pass, free D3 coming in a week and a half, a fuckton of co-op 360 games for my wife and I to play, and my friends just wanna play LotRO.

Da fuck?

Dude...stop buying games!

[Tebonas]

What Nix says, I'm at over 300 games now (Steam only, not counting GoG or boxes) for exactly that reason. "Hey, 75% sale. I might want to play this game in a few years or decades."

[Kageru]

"This game is well respected, I guess I should play it one day even though it's old".

[Azazel]

I will buy it day one, or maybe even pre-order.  I'd like to see a persistent Torchlight world come to fruition, and that's not likely if they don't turn a profit on Torchlight 2. 

Also, Torchlight is the only serious competitor to the Diablo series and I feel that supporting Torchlight should help Blizzard make a better game.  Blizzard tends to thrive on taking other people's ideas and fleshing them out.  $20 seems like a small investment to me for the potential outcome. 

Ultimately, I feel that Runic is one of the developers that deserves support, and if people don't support them then it's one more indie shop closed and that much more going to EA/Activison. 

That's fine. I have no issue there at all. I really liked Mythos, and if Torchlight 1 had multiplayer (even just LAN) then I would have gobbled it up. Now though, that ship has sailed. With WoW, D3, and plenty of other stuff to do when b.net is down - and those gaming friends on the lotro train, it's not worth the $40-80 to me when I know I'll barely play it. (1 each for me and wife at minimum, plus 2 more for the other 2).

"This game is well respected, I guess I should play it one day even though it's old".

 

[Margalis]

I've finally come to peace with the idea that there are a lot of good movies and games I'm just never going to get around to experiencing, let alone re-experiencing some classics.

[Azazel]

Oh, I know that as well. I'll never play all my games/watch all the TV and movies I want to/paint all my miniatures. Doesn't mean I'll stop buying them though.

[NiX]

"This game is well respected, I guess I should play it one day even though it's old".

I used to do that. Then I realized they're just too old to be enjoyed by me.

[Yegolev]

Agree.  I'm not finishing Fallout again.  Or Darklands?  Forget that!  Although I did buy it again on GOG.

[Sjofn]

I'll buy this when I buy it, if it's on sale when I randomly decide YES THE TIME FOR TORCHLIGHT 2 IS NOW, cool, if not, whatevs.

[Nonentity]

Beta for this has started. Keys are floating around from public outlets.

I have one!

Gonna see if there's an NDA.

[FieryBalrog]

I got in too. It's really very good.

[Fabricated]

They fix the loot? That's about my main beef with the original.

[FieryBalrog]

I've only played a couple of hours, but it seems much better. I don't see any enchanter which is good news, and you get less random piles of stats thrown at you. The main issue so far seems to be way too many low level socketed items, and almost nothing to put in them.

Weapons are very cool, they swing in different AoE arcs depending on the type. Dual wielding two same weapons gives you a chance to execute. Obviously this stuff matters more for the berserker (which I'm playing) than the other classes, haha.

My number one issue is no respec past level 10. No respeccing is just , it really doesn't add anything to the gameplay that's worth the annoyance except some hidebound notion of RPG-makers honor. Oh well, game is moddable.

[Malakili]

Just got in this morning, downloading now.

I can confirm there is no NDA per the e-mail I got:

There is no NDA for this beta, we aren't restricting you from sharing information about the test or your experiences with others.

[schild]

Welcome to the Torchlight 2 Beta.

Don't mind if I do.

There's no NDA.

[Malakili]

Hmm...my beta download just tanked at 15 MB remaining. WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

EDIT: Ok, download finally finished that was weird.  Initial response is favorable, plays very smooth I was pleased to be shooting things with a shotgun within 2 minutes of starting.  I'll play more later.

Also, my account name is the same as my name here: malakili - if you want to friends list me.

[Malakili]

I'll just leave this here:

[Lucas]

damn you all, registered a couple days ago but still have to get my invite :(

[Xanthippe]

I wish they'd give out beta keys to people who preorder.

[Hawkbit]

I didn't get a key, but I'm kinda wrapped up in schoolwork anyways.  IGN posted a 15min video of some beta play.  It looks really, really fun.  I'd link the video, but frankly the VO was a tool and spent most of the video fiddling with menus and being an obnoxious fuck.

Seems like a no-brainer for $20, and makes me wonder how they're profitable that that price point.  The whole overworld aspect looks really good, and I think it will go a long way to curing the "funnel" feeling of the first game.

[Xanthippe]

mmorpg.com has beta keys right now. I'm sure they're going fast.
http://www.mmorpg.com/giveaways.cfm?offer=343&val=1&uh=2EF9252B97F0A7F3E93E417BE55ED879

[Fabricated]

I didn't get a key, but I'm kinda wrapped up in schoolwork anyways.  IGN posted a 15min video of some beta play.  It looks really, really fun.  I'd link the video, but frankly the VO was a tool and spent most of the video fiddling with menus and being an obnoxious fuck.

Seems like a no-brainer for $20, and makes me wonder how they're profitable that that price point.  The whole overworld aspect looks really good, and I think it will go a long way to curing the "funnel" feeling of the first game.

They didn't license an engine, don't have a ridiclously overbearing publisher, already had the original engine developed for the most part, ditto with the tools. Small-ish team for the scope of the game. At least that's what I'm guessing makes the $20 mark profitable.

[Malakili]

I didn't get a key, but I'm kinda wrapped up in schoolwork anyways.  IGN posted a 15min video of some beta play.  It looks really, really fun.  I'd link the video, but frankly the VO was a tool and spent most of the video fiddling with menus and being an obnoxious fuck.

Seems like a no-brainer for $20, and makes me wonder how they're profitable that that price point.  The whole overworld aspect looks really good, and I think it will go a long way to curing the "funnel" feeling of the first game.

They didn't license an engine, don't have a ridiclously overbearing publisher, already had the original engine developed for the most part, ditto with the tools. Small-ish team for the scope of the game. At least that's what I'm guessing makes the $20 mark profitable.

Truthfully, I wish we'd see more developers doing this.  Smaller scale everything, but just execute it really well.

[Ironwood]

The trick is eating catfood while you do it.