Minecraft - f13 Server is: chugging along... again (Read OP)

[Speedy Cerviche]

Sounds like he was miserable. Like that Vietnamese guy who couldn't handle it when his flappy birds game got popular.

[Merusk]

Doesn't big + passionate = toxic these days. Just got too big to fit one person's shoulders.

Yes, for everything.  We've created a culture of pessimism and cynicism online, so you have to be negative to generate social credit. Anything touching that environment (which is everything these days) is going to be toxic.

[schild]

As per my scathing modern commentary in the other post:

lol

[Fabricated]

I would literally kill all of you with my bare hands for 2.5 billion dollars, so I don't blame Notch for taking the money and running for a mess of a Java program.

[Thrawn]

Comment from Notch, not really anything surprising.  I guess Microsoft is in the card game arena with Scrolls now? 

https://twitter.com/notch/status/511508557200498688

I thought the most interesting part of that was -

If I ever accidentally make something that seems to gain traction, I’ll probably abandon it immediately.

[schild]

He went so humble in that post that he crossed back over into elitist dickhole. Amazing.

[Bunk]

I'm just hoping this means MS will put cloud server support in to the XBox one edition.

[Xanthippe]

Given how toxic the Minecraft community is, I'm fairly surprised he stuck it out as long as he has.

I'd expand that to online community. People don't know how to talk to each other anymore without being dicks.

[Paelos]

Goodbye Minecraft. You had a good run.

I can't say I'll miss what it became with the mods though. While some people love that stuff, I felt like you needed an engineering degree to play.

I just wanted to dig baby. Just dig.

[schild]

Given how toxic the Minecraft community is, I'm fairly surprised he stuck it out as long as he has.

I'd expand that to online community. People don't know how to talk to each other anymore without being dicks.

This is a statement that gets thrown around alot. Ever been in a mob of regular people in real life? They're fucking assholes. Everyone becomes a dick once they realize they are no longer important. Humans are assholes. Online, offline, whatever. This is why I don't like crowds and avoid them whenever possible.

[Yoru]

Given how toxic the Minecraft community is, I'm fairly surprised he stuck it out as long as he has.

I'd expand that to online community. People don't know how to talk to each other anymore without being dicks.

This is a statement that gets thrown around alot. Ever been in a mob of regular people in real life? They're fucking assholes. Everyone becomes a dick once they realize they are no longer important. Humans are assholes. Online, offline, whatever. This is why I don't like crowds and avoid them whenever possible.

Uh, maybe it's just your crowd, dude. I frequently hang around with people who aren't total asshats. Most of them also aren't hardcore gamers.

This may not be a coincidence.

[Paelos]

I hang around crowds of sports fans, so yeah. Total asshats.

[schild]

Given how toxic the Minecraft community is, I'm fairly surprised he stuck it out as long as he has.

I'd expand that to online community. People don't know how to talk to each other anymore without being dicks.

This is a statement that gets thrown around alot. Ever been in a mob of regular people in real life? They're fucking assholes. Everyone becomes a dick once they realize they are no longer important. Humans are assholes. Online, offline, whatever. This is why I don't like crowds and avoid them whenever possible.

Uh, maybe it's just your crowd, dude. I frequently hang around with people who aren't total asshats. Most of them also aren't hardcore gamers.

This may not be a coincidence.

You know me better than to think I hang around crowds of gamers.

Also, I didn't say crowd (Edit: I did say crowd at the end, whoops, precede that with Large). Your 5-7 friends isn't a crowd. It's not even a gaggle.

[Fabricated]

https://twitter.com/notch/status/281139739304800256

[schild]

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[Miasma]

And a million ten year olds asked their parents "what's a DMCA take down notice"?

[schild]

"It means white people, Timmy."

[Fordel]

The only difference between the internet and real life is the internet archives all your stupid and angry.

Imagine all the times someone cuts you off in traffic, or wasted everyone's time with a self important rant at a checkout line, or just wouldn't put the fucking cell phone away. They piss you off, but it's gone and forgotten as soon as you're done with the situation. He cuts you off, you blow your horn and then you continue with your day.

The internet takes all those moments and keeps them forever so you can stay angry forever and retaliate and escalate.

[Margalis]

Internet toxicity is likely a red-herring here. Notch gets very little hate compared to so many other devs.

Notch knows that neither he nor Mojang are ever going to make something even 1/100th as popular as MC. I don't think the issue is that MC fans were mean to him, the issue is that now everything he does is "from the maker of Minecraft." Reading between the lines he just wants to be a rich nobody again who dicks around with games, rather than a guy trying and failing to make the next MC.

It also has to suck that his popular game is a clone while his more creative efforts are stillborn or mediocre.

[Quinton]

I actually think Minecraft shows some serious creativity.  Not in the basic concept (dig/place voxels) and mechanic which were inspired by Infiniminer, but in the procedural environments, which he really has a gift for.  I've played around with that stuff and making it look as good as it does in minecraft is not easy.  Just wandering around minecraft can be fun.  Infiniminer was bland, sterile sort of place that showed off the mechanics, but Notch built an infinite procedural world for people to explore and mutate and enjoy, filled with critters and baddies and gadgets and mechanisms.  It's a kind of magical place and highly engaging.  I think that deserves a lot of credit.

[CmdrSlack]

I have only messed with vanilla version on PC and iOS.

My daughter finally wore me down. She watches all of the videos, but so far, has not realized that we need mods to do lots of the shit she sees in the videos.

Can a parent whose child plays this please direct me towards useful resources without forcing me to do research or read an 80-plus page thread?

My kid is 100 percent a creative mode player if that makes a difference.  She just watches my vanilla survival,mode game.  And looks up,crafting recipes on the iPad.

[Hawkbit]

Dunno, but if you find it, please post back.  My 9 year old daughter plays vanilla and has been up my shit about making her a server to run any number of mods. 

Between school and work, I just don't have the time to set something up for her and make sure the mods she loads are safe. 

[Venkman]

It's not an easy answer.

Can a parent whose child plays this please direct me towards useful resources without forcing me to do research or read an 80-plus page thread?

What is it you want to know? I immediately created a locally hosted world just for my kids, then a few months in moved it to cloud host (first TreePuncher then years later MCP) so the neighborhood and more distant friends could get in. It's creative mode though my kids are admins so they can do some of the admin-level commands as needed. I'm in it half the time with them. I also know all their parents.

It's all digging, building, discovering. Every few months a patch rolls out new materials which we spend hours building shit with. Any new animals are a big hit (both daughters), though they're not shy about going hunting either. We've set up survival zones and safe zones.

Short list:
Minecraft Wiki- Wiki
Minecraft Skindex- Character skins
Planet Minecraft- Textures

Long list:

• In creative mode, you can access infinite quantities of most materials in the inventory.
• But, there are materials you can only get through the give command (command blocks, for one). That is "/give <character name> <item name>". For that you want Minecraft Wiki. Sum total of everything there is to know.
  
• You can choose to craft stuff by not just grabbing the end product from inventory but instead just grabbing the component parts. What to get, how to combine them, and in which thing to do the combining, all at the Wiki.
• If you're looking for any guidance on what the build, where to build, and why to bother, this is not that game You can switch over to survival mode and begin the darwinian process of trying to survive the night, then building a basic tool, then more basic tools, weapons and so on. But as far as I can tell, the game tells you dickall about how or when to do any of it.
• The basic things you'll build are sculptures. Houses, shrines, caverns, all static things with some interactive elements like doors and stuff.
• Later you get into some of the mechanisms. Pistons which move things, hoppers, monster spawners, mine carts, things that move around and do stuff and can do it automatically and programmatically if you set it up the right way.
• I recommend doing ALL of that in the same world if you can. The funnest part of our world server is that it's like a time lapse sequence of what we've learned over 4 years, and what's been patched. I'll go back to our first city sometimes and see they've literally built levels over it. Like Chicago. Or Coruscant. Budding civil engineers doing in years what takes centuries in the real world.
• The first easy out-of-game "modding" is to change the skin of your character. Modifying the texture map. When not in Minecraft, my girls live at Minecraft Skindex. Modify texture map, load right into your MC account, it appears in world.
  
• Then you can dabble with texture maps. The default textures get old quick. Planet Minecraft is pretty good with nice search tools.
  
• After that you can choose to try other online servers (i.e., Survival Games) or downloadable maps (i.e., The Dropper). I don't suggest doing that yet though. Those all turn Minecraft into a more traditional goal/reward game with really crappy graphics and questionable control and feedback. It's fine to graduate to that, but in my opinion, starting that way is sorta missing the magic of Minecraft.
  
• After you see other servers and maps, then you can dabble with mods, if you want. It's time-consuming but not difficult per se, like setting up a SWG. Someone else has already documented the steps to take. I don't go too mod-heavy on our world. We ran Bukkit for awhile (which is like a mod aggregator/loader) and recently switched to Forge (similar) but only for Dragons.

At first with my kids I was basically DMing a Minecraft campaign. But they eventually outpaced me in discovering stuff. The only thing I still have on them is redstone. They didn't grow up flipping dipswitches and soldering. But my oldest (12) is in a STEM rotation, and her first quarter is robotics. So I suspect she'll lap me on redstone soon too.

[Sky]

Use sphax purebd for textures. I recommend 128x if your machine can run it, but 64x at least.

Also, boo vanilla. Mods are where it's at, there are some I really would never want to play without. But I get it, I know several parents hosting LAN worlds for their kids with vanilla.

[apocrypha]

It's not an easy answer.

Can a parent whose child plays this please direct me towards useful resources without forcing me to do research or read an 80-plus page thread?

What is it you want to know? I immediately created a locally hosted world just for my kids, then a few months in moved it to cloud host (first TreePuncher then years later MCP) so the neighborhood and more distant friends could get in. It's creative mode though my kids are admins so they can do some of the admin-level commands as needed. I'm in it half the time with them. I also know all their parents.

It's all digging, building, discovering. Every few months a patch rolls out new materials which we spend hours building shit with. Any new animals are a big hit (both daughters), though they're not shy about going hunting either. We've set up survival zones and safe zones.

Short list:
Minecraft Wiki- Wiki
Minecraft Skindex- Character skins
Planet Minecraft- Textures

Long list:

• In creative mode, you can access infinite quantities of most materials in the inventory.
• But, there are materials you can only get through the give command (command blocks, for one). That is "/give <character name> <item name>". For that you want Minecraft Wiki. Sum total of everything there is to know.
  
• You can choose to craft stuff by not just grabbing the end product from inventory but instead just grabbing the component parts. What to get, how to combine them, and in which thing to do the combining, all at the Wiki.
• If you're looking for any guidance on what the build, where to build, and why to bother, this is not that game You can switch over to survival mode and begin the darwinian process of trying to survive the night, then building a basic tool, then more basic tools, weapons and so on. But as far as I can tell, the game tells you dickall about how or when to do any of it.
• The basic things you'll build are sculptures. Houses, shrines, caverns, all static things with some interactive elements like doors and stuff.
• Later you get into some of the mechanisms. Pistons which move things, hoppers, monster spawners, mine carts, things that move around and do stuff and can do it automatically and programmatically if you set it up the right way.
• I recommend doing ALL of that in the same world if you can. The funnest part of our world server is that it's like a time lapse sequence of what we've learned over 4 years, and what's been patched. I'll go back to our first city sometimes and see they've literally built levels over it. Like Chicago. Or Coruscant. Budding civil engineers doing in years what takes centuries in the real world.
• The first easy out-of-game "modding" is to change the skin of your character. Modifying the texture map. When not in Minecraft, my girls live at Minecraft Skindex. Modify texture map, load right into your MC account, it appears in world.
  
• Then you can dabble with texture maps. The default textures get old quick. Planet Minecraft is pretty good with nice search tools.
  
• After that you can choose to try other online servers (i.e., Survival Games) or downloadable maps (i.e., The Dropper). I don't suggest doing that yet though. Those all turn Minecraft into a more traditional goal/reward game with really crappy graphics and questionable control and feedback. It's fine to graduate to that, but in my opinion, starting that way is sorta missing the magic of Minecraft.
  
• After you see other servers and maps, then you can dabble with mods, if you want. It's time-consuming but not difficult per se, like setting up a SWG. Someone else has already documented the steps to take. I don't go too mod-heavy on our world. We ran Bukkit for awhile (which is like a mod aggregator/loader) and recently switched to Forge (similar) but only for Dragons.

At first with my kids I was basically DMing a Minecraft campaign. But they eventually outpaced me in discovering stuff. The only thing I still have on them is redstone. They didn't grow up flipping dipswitches and soldering. But my oldest (12) is in a STEM rotation, and her first quarter is robotics. So I suspect she'll lap me on redstone soon too.

That is just totally awesome. This is the kind of thing that Microsoft really need to not fuck with.

[Fordel]

Use sphax purebd for textures. I recommend 128x if your machine can run it, but 64x at least.

Also, boo vanilla. Mods are where it's at, there are some I really would never want to play without. But I get it, I know several parents hosting LAN worlds for their kids with vanilla.

I find most of the mods to basically be one step removed from creative mode. Set up this machine to dig out thousands of resources for you while this other machine farms infinite magical abilities for you. Just /gamemode c at that point!

[Yegolev]

Not having time for your kids' Minecraft nonsense is the new "Don't you have enough Star Wars dolls?"

[Sky]

Fordel, it's the process. Setting up energy grids and piping power, setting up item and processing networks. There are some really great mods that make that pretty interesting (AE2 and Enderio are great). Also, setting up alchemy requiring you to head to the Nether and get some soul sand and netherwort, things like that.

But even barring that, I was talking about essentials like NEI, not sure I could even play without it anymore. Why look up a recipe or try to figure them out all the time? Rather than hit the wiki nonstop, just use NEI. Not sure what an item is used for? Hover over it and click 'U' and get a recipe list. WAILA is another good one, gives a popup with the name of the block (or critter) you're hovering over.

But I'm hardcore about the SSP, I like the 'crashlanded spacemans' feel of it.

[Merusk]

Son had me install Pokecraft and has been tickled pink ever since.  Mods are the shiznit, I just need to figure out how to get them to work on the server.

[Yoru]

Son had me install Pokecraft and has been tickled pink ever since.  Mods are the shiznit, I just need to figure out how to get them to work on the server.

For roll-your-own modpacks, go with Cauldron - once you're past the config process, it's as simple as dropping new mods into a /mods folder.

If you want to go nuts, you could create your own modpack on the Technic platform, run a private Solder server, and then your kids can just run the launcher and hit play - any updates/new mods you've installed will be automatically downloaded and applied.

[Yegolev]

Alternately, these kids can learn to do this on their own and leave me alone.

[Sky]

You should come play on Nix's server, Yeg! Yoru is a dev! :)

As far as kids knowing how to do stuff with minecraft, don't underestimate them. When I was helping a friend by setting up mods for them, the mod they wanted conflicted with the current version so I urged them to set up Technic and not worry about maintaining separate versions themselves. The mom said 'She (the daughter) doesn't know what you mean.' I asked the daughter which version they were running, and she quickly piped up with 1.7.10. The mom kept saying they just want vanilla and don't put all this stuff in there, my kids can do more with less, etc. I was actually getting kind of pissed because she's an engineer and thinks she's some tech guru yet didn't want to learn the quite simple setup for a technic-based modded server.

So don't be that mom, Yeg.

[Yegolev]

I'm not that mom, if that kid really had an interest in learning how and doing it themselves.  Alternately, if that kid is kinda lazy and knows she can wait around and mom will eventually take care of it just to stop the complaints, then I am that mom.  If that mom had spent real Earth money to send her daughter to a Minecraft programming day camp and later was asked to please install some mod or other, then I'm that mom.

At this point, my son knows more about the whole thing because I try to let him do as much as he can.  Wanting to make games work is how I learned about RAM, device drivers, and terminate-and-stay-resident programs.  Don't make me shake my cane and say kids have it easy!

[Sky]

Gaming on the C64 led fairly indirectly to my career in IT.

I knew gaming was evil.