Arche Age

[HaemishM]

I've got a spare key for the second closed beta event that's coming up if any of the regular folk are interested in being horribly let down.

How many labor points does it cost to receive? 

[Scold]

The good news is, if they realize that their fun game is a dickpunching nightmare that nobody wants to play due to this system, they can easily adjust the system down the road to render it impotent and 'un-break' things. At least the core underlying game is fun; it's easier to tear down gates keeping people from doing fun things than it is to add fun to an un-fun game after the fact.

[WayAbvPar]

Got an invite to the beta test that starts Wednesday. I will be sure to mention the shitty labor points in a bug report 

[tmp]

The good news is, if they realize that their fun game is a dickpunching nightmare that nobody wants to play due to this system, they can easily adjust the system down the road to render it impotent and 'un-break' things.

That's a big if. Odds are good they'll realize it only by the time the game is as good as dead.

[Lucas]

Just finished a 22GB, 12 hours download for CB event 2; I'm now fully prepared to be dickpunched let down 

[palmer_eldritch]

Hopefully you guys in beta will enjoy it. Once you get 15 Gilda Stars, you'll be able to go to Mirage Isle and get yourself a house plan. You should be able to find a space to place the house, although you might not get to finish building it during beta.

You should also be able to get the scarecrow quest done if you want - this involves travelling overseas to the other faction's continent so it's a bit intimidating and quite satisfying once you get it done.

Also, be aware that the beta might not show you what ArcheAge is about very effectively because the early game is very themeparky and, despite the stuff above, the sandboxy parts don't become very apparent until later on.

You can make a "family" in the game easily, which gives you a chat channel, so if you have buddies on f13 or elsewhere that you want to talk to but can't be a bothered to make a guild for beta, then you could do that.

http://archeage.gamepedia.com/Family

In addition to traditional guilds, ArcheAge also features a Family System. In many ways a Family is similar to a Guild but designed for smaller knit groups of players; ranging from 2 to 8 people. The family system runs parallel to the guild system, meaning you can be in both a family and guild!
Family members may share property rights. Allowing members full access to houses and farms.
Families have their own chat channel.

Creating a Family

To create a family, a player just has to access the community icon on the bottom right and select family. Then select the first person to invite.
When creating a family, the founder may give it a name as well as set roles and titles for invited members.

I'll probably play the beta a bit so /t palmer if you need any help or advice (I may not know the answer to your questions)

[LC]

I suppose you could get yourself a teleport bot for leveling:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6Ot9_WIwhM

[HaemishM]

I suppose you could get yourself a teleport bot for leveling:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6Ot9_WIwhM

Love the video description:

A teleporting botter I found in hellswamp. I would report these bots, but it would cost me several days of labor to get them all.

 

[Stormwaltz]

A teleporting botter I found in hellswamp. I would report these bots, but it would cost me several days of labor to get them all.

This game is clearly a winner.

I'm going to continue ignoring my beta invite until they unfuck it some.

I'm sure there's a term for a game you desperately want to like, but at every turn it disappoints and infuriates you. A term aside from "MMORPG," I suppose.

[HaemishM]

I'm sure there's a term for a game you desperately want to like, but at every turn it disappoints and infuriates you. A term aside from "MMORPG," I suppose.

No, I think that term quite adequately encompasses the entirety of the concept you are trying to define.

[murdoc]

Super - I got a beta key for this weekend. Actually want to try it out because particpating in a car crash is more fun than witnessing it or something.

[WayAbvPar]

A teleporting botter I found in hellswamp. I would report these bots, but it would cost me several days of labor to get them all.

This game is clearly a winner.

I'm going to continue ignoring my beta invite until they unfuck it some.

I'm sure there's a term for a game you desperately want to like, but at every turn it disappoints and infuriates you. A term aside from "MMORPG," I suppose.

It sounds SO CLOSE to scratching so many of my MMORPG itches, but then it steps on its dick halfway there. I am going to log in tonight and see for myself how far off it is.

[Senses]

because particpating in a car crash is more fun than witnessing it or something.

I don't think that's true at all...lol

[Falconeer]

I just started testing this one and I've been in it for less than 10 minutes. First two mobs drop one of these coin purses you need labor points to open. Regardless of how many labor points we'll eventually end up having at release, I find the absence of normal, usual loot system in favour of this locked coin purses absolutely dealbreaking. It is just not familiar, not fun, and smelling of cashgrab.

[WayAbvPar]

Worked myself up to level 7. Stayed logged in overnight to accumulate labor points. I can guarantee that when they put the 45 minute idle kick in there will be a huge number of free accounts with random movement scripts showing up. Hell, I don't know shit about scripting and I could write one in less than an hour.

Other than that, interesting game so far. Very pretty. Like the combo system in combat, love the look of the minu map. Mount quest was cute. Enjoying it.

[Ozzu]

I got into this last closed beta event like a lot of you. I've really enjoyed it. I've really enjoyed it so much that I bought a founders pack. The labor point thing is weird, but it doesn't seem to be a huge deal at this point. Maybe that's because I'm still low level, but those coin purses take like 1 labor point to open at this level. They also give money and a small amount of exp when you open them.

As mentioned above, I really liked the way you get your first mount. You get the quest and the first step is to plant something to harvest/feed your new pet. You plant it, watch it grow for a few seconds, then harvest it. Next step involves actually placing your pet in front of you and feeding it. Then there are other steps which basically just involve you clicking on your pet, but you're doing things like dancing to keep it entertained, getting water from the well for it to drink, bathing it, etc. After all those steps, it grows up and you can ride it. I dunno. Even though it was maybe 5 minutes long, the quest made me feel a bit more attached than just buying a mount.

The quests generally aren't as good as TESO which I've been playing as well, but the combat is way more responsive and natural feeling. There are some "go kill 10 whatsits", but not so over the top as some games I've played recently (Wildstar). So, this is probably one I'll stick with for a bit.

[palmer_eldritch]

You are likely to have spare labor points in the early stages of the game when you are questing. Hint: remember that almost any activity that uses labor points also grants XP. So feel free to chop down trees, mine iron or pick crops (as long as they are fully grown) if you happen to stumble past them while you are questing, as this gives xp, even if you don't really need the materials.

[Senses]

I like this game and yet I am so baffled by the labor system and the completely unnecessary shackles it puts on your character.  Even worse is the die hard Aage fans spouting out how its so important to the economy.  Fucking clueless sheep.  Why are they ruining a good game with this?  Still, the graphics are amazing and it makes me laugh how smooth it is compared to the cartoony neon green Wildstar graphics that stutter and put.

[Lantyssa]

I can see where they want the labor system to reduce gold farmers, but it's been my main gripe since I've had to leave my game running overnight to build up a pool.  I think if they tweaked it so you got some points from doing quests and raising in level lets them generate faster it wouldn't be that noticeable to players.

[Hawkbit]

I played maybe two hours and in that two hours I had three moments where I couldn't do something because I was blocked by their systems.  Once by coin, twice by labor. 

The labor system creates the situation where I have to think about spending real money too many times during the session.  Every time I hit that point I just log off.  MMOs are fairly hard to get immersed into, even more so when I have to worry about how to spend these goofy points. 

Expected: User needs labor points; waits for point regen or buys potion to replace points.
Actual: User needs labor points; logs off in disgust.

[satael]

My AA experience was cut short by error#2025 after the Glyph update and since the simplest remedies didn't work I decided to give up on the game for now (if the guild I play mmos with doesn't suddenly decide to change their mind and abandon AA I will in all likelihood give the game another go before/during the release)

[Senses]

No matter what your opinion of labor is, the first time you try to do something and suddenly understand you can't because of labor its a huge turn off.  I don't give a shit if it helps the gold selling problem  because as a player, the harm gold selling does to me is far less than finding out I'm done opening loot bags because I crafted something.  Also, I refuse to play any game that encourages me to stay logged in when I'm done.  If labor goes I will probably play this, if its still in in any form no thanks.

[Scold]

I like the idea of rewards dropping off dramatically after an hour or two played per day in a PvP-oriented game (yay for MMOs where success is compatible with careers and families and other adult life priorities) but there's gotta be a better way than this.

[HaemishM]

If labor truly was in there to help stop gold selling, it wouldn't be required that you spend labor points to fucking reports bots and cheaters. That's just cockpunchingly bad there.

[Stormwaltz]

If labor truly was in there to help stop gold selling, it wouldn't be required that you spend labor points to fucking reports bots and cheaters.

I can see it as consistent, from a certain point of view. If there was a problem with hardcore guilds accusing one another of botting, there may have been a response of, "Okay, you're wasting our GMs' time, so if you want to do that, you have to sacrifice some of your time."

I have to turn my brain backwards to fathom it, but if you're coming it at with the perspective of, "All players are hyper-competitive PvP'ers, so they will always cheat to get ahead, so we must make it as hard as possible to cheat without driving them away, because for some reason keeping the revenue from those cheating, griefing asswipes is more valuable to us than the money of other players who might suffer collateral damage and be driven away."

[Scold]

If labor truly was in there to help stop gold selling, it wouldn't be required that you spend labor points to fucking reports bots and cheaters.

I can see it as consistent, from a certain point of view. If there was a problem with hardcore guilds accusing one another of botting, there may have been a response of, "Okay, you're wasting our GMs' time, so if you want to do that, you have to sacrifice some of your time."

I have to turn my brain backwards to fathom it, but if you're coming it at with the perspective of, "All players are hyper-competitive PvP'ers, so they will always cheat to get ahead, so we must make it as hard as possible to cheat without driving them away, because for some reason keeping the revenue from those cheating, griefing asswipes is more valuable to us than the money of other players who might suffer collateral damage and be driven away."

Testing the hypothesis: did Darktide take up a disproportionate amount of GM time in AC1?

[Pendan]

I downloaded the game, created a character, and quit after 5 minutes because I could not find an invert Y mouse setting. Then a board search turned up a result that Trion says it is the number one requested feature by beta testers and their highest priority request for the foreign developers. The lack of such a simple feature tells me a lot about their ability to customize for a western audience.

[Falconeer]

No matter what your opinion of labor is, the first time you try to do something and suddenly understand you can't because of labor its a huge turn off.  I don't give a shit if it helps the gold selling problem  because as a player, the harm gold selling does to me is far less than finding out I'm done opening loot bags because I crafted something.  Also, I refuse to play any game that encourages me to stay logged in when I'm done.  If labor goes I will probably play this, if its still in in any form no thanks.

It's how I feel. Maybe in the future we'll all get used to crap like this, but right now I think it deserves to be downvoted by not giving them money.

[Lantyssa]

Luckily it's going to be f2p.

[Stormwaltz]

Testing the hypothesis: did Darktide take up a disproportionate amount of GM time in AC1?

I haven't the faintest idea. When I was there, that was entirely Microsoft-side.

[Signe]

I keep seeing this as Archie Age and it's making me crazy.  I knew a man named Archie and he was a dick.

[murdoc]

Got a character up to level 20 before the beta ended. Kept him logged in over night and did almost no crafting or gathering and ended the weekend with around 2k LP.

Uninstalled and won't play it again though. Too many things I hate about the genre all in one game, but it's biggest sin was how hard it was to play with friends who have different playtimes. The quest system is seriously outdated by this point and having to hope we are all on the same step was crazy annoying.

[WayAbvPar]

Does entry into one leg of the beta insure continued participation?

[Signe]

Character creation is good fun and they have my EXACT HAIR STYLE in this game.  When I finally got in the game, I just wanted to create more characters so that's what I did.  I have four adorable characters and I've killed some sort of fox.  Just the one.  I'm on some server named Rolly or Ollie or something.  I chose the first one that didn't have a queue.  Yes.  A queue.

[Lucas]

I'm currently lv10, just a question: will I eventually get some sort of tradeskill tutorial quests?