So, is WOW worth going back to?

[Rasix]

/whine
...but I don't want to play Alliance...

Off the top of my head I think it's Ingmar, Sjofn, sickrubik, proudft, Fordel, Lantyssa, Mattemeo + other people whom I might misspell.  So, you're not missing much. 

But everyone else is really spread out all over the place.  Anyone else playing on the same server is pretty much by coincidence. 

And yes, alliance does suck.  Plus, they won't have goblins.

[Selby]

But everyone else is really spread out all over the place.  Anyone else playing on the same server is pretty much by coincidence. 

Yeah, we tried that whole "all f13ers on 1 server thing!" and it ended up crashing and burning for a variety of reasons.  I tend to stick to my old server just because it's home and I've leveled 8 characters to 80 and geared them out for raids, so starting over is an expensive proposition for me as there is no guarantee of raiding action.

[Rasix]

If the server/faction transfer process wasn't so monetized, you'd see more people moving and coming together.  It'd cost me a decent chunk of change to move somewhere, and I wouldn't want to leave (RL) friends that already transferred to hang out with me behind.

[Selby]

I would totally transfer servers if my existing guild crashed and burned and all my friends there left, but it would have to be for people who play as much or as consistently as I do (aka raid every week).  Every time I've attempted something like that, it never works out because people's schedules are too different or the casual\hardcore discussion always rears its ugly head.  I mean it's not like one of my legion of alts would be missed from my main server ;-)

[WoopeeTuralyon]

I leveled a DK to 80 on Stormrage but I usually play on Turalyon (hence the name). It was just discouraging! I knew nobody, and nobody knew me, and very few people knew I knew how to play my class, so finding a raiding guild was next to impossible. Wouldn't recommend a server transfer unless you know several people there or others are transferring with you.

And what is this aversion to Alliance?! Is there a reason for it, or is it solely because you started on Horde side?

[Ingmar]

GM-ship on Doomhammer is not in the hands of an f13er anymore, btw, so I wouldn't look to that as a real viable destination for any kind of pan-f13 play destination.

To be completely honest the guild atmosphere is probably way, way too PC for many of you anyway.

[Rasix]

It looks like your cat is the GM now.   

[Fordel]

She's a Tyrant! :(

[Nebu]

And what is this aversion to Alliance?! Is there a reason for it, or is it solely because you started on Horde side?

Two reasons:

1) At release, Alliance attracted the kiddies and mouth-breathers.

2) We all love brown.  A lot.

[Merusk]

F13 guilds in WoW tend not to work because we all have conflicting goals, play styles and play times.  Not to mention those who play Horde always whine they want to be on a PVP server, despite it being a pain in the ass more than anything worthwhile.  It would work better if we just glommed on to an existing # of guilds to provide some filler.

I know a bunch of folks on Zul'jin Horde side, but they're all so casual they've never even seen Naxx beyond what I dragged them through after they got the ToC badge gear.

[WoopeeTuralyon]

In my time on the horde side(only recently) I saw no fewer mouth-breathers or middle school type people... but I only played alliance at release, and I was 12 then... proving your point, I suppose. And what's this about loving brown?

[Fordel]

1) At release, Alliance attracted the kiddies and mouth-breathers.

This has been true roughly never.


Unless you think Cowinator and Bullzeye telling chuck norris jokes in the barrens is the picture of grace and maturity.

[Selby]

Not to mention those who play Horde always whine they want to be on a PVP server, despite it being a pain in the ass more than anything worthwhile. 

YES.  I leveled to 58 on a PVP server and it was a miserable time with the roving gank squads of 70s coming to punish everyone.

Basically if I were looking to start fresh on a new server I would find one that wasn't always full, but had a high population on the side I wanted (check the raid accomplishments server-wide if you are into that end game).  Then I'd try and find a leveling guild to at least get some people to play with (and not feel bad about ditching if they are stuck in perpetual 40-50's mode).  Regarding getting into the end-game, badge gear is your friend and you should run run run as much as possible to get as much of it as possible (easy with random heroics via the LFD tool).  Choose a role and know it well.

[WoopeeTuralyon]

Oh... I would hate to level on a PvP server. It would be like doing AV as a 51, but all the time, and with not just 60s trying to gank you all the time, but 80s too...

[Nebu]

Oh... I would hate to level on a PvP server. It would be like doing AV as a 51, but all the time, and with not just 60s trying to gank you all the time, but 80s too...

It sucks, particularly in Hellfire where level 80's drop out of the sky. 

[Nebu]

1) At release, Alliance attracted the kiddies and mouth-breathers.

This has been true roughly never.


Unless you think Cowinator and Bullzeye telling chuck norris jokes in the barrens is the picture of grace and maturity.

I'll adjust that statement to my beta experience where horde was loaded with 1337 pvp-wannabe kiddies where alliance was just loaded with kiddies.  Barrens chat has always been painful, you win on that one.

[WoopeeTuralyon]

Trade channel on my server is always interesting, Alliance or Horde... way better than Barrens chat. Always a few wonderful trolls online.

[Rasix]

1) At release, Alliance attracted the kiddies and mouth-breathers.

This has been true roughly never.

Alliance just attracted more people initially.  The WoW population seems to carry a fixed proportion of assholes and kiddies.  So, using the magical powers of math, you just ended up with more assholes, kiddies, and retards at launch.   Then the great Blood Elf rebalancing happened and the assholes began to migrate.  

[WoopeeTuralyon]

Night Elf hunters became Blood Elf pallies! Lawl. And now they're DKs.

[Sjofn]

Off the top of my head I think it's Ingmar, Sjofn, sickrubik, proudft, Fordel, Lantyssa, Mattemeo + other people whom I might misspell.  So, you're not missing much. 

<sob>


We are a pretty PC guild, as far as that all goes. I dunno if we're TOO PC, depends on how badly you absolutely must use the words "gay" or "rape" or what have you to describe your various adventures. (If you had an actual gay romp, that's cool though.)

If there was an f13 Horde guild I would probably visit! I really like Moon Guard/Horde, though, even without a guild. 

[Mrbloodworth]

/whine
...but I don't want to play Alliance...

Me and issa are doing the horde thing currently with a group of friends.

[Yegolev]

It would work better if we just glommed on to an existing # of guilds to provide some filler.

This is what we did in LotRO and it worked out great.

<sob>

Eh... I'll consider Alliance if that's all I have to work with.  I don't act like an ass in game.  Much.  But if I'm going to play a white guy, I might as well stay in LotRO.

Do I actually need other people to level?  Really?

[Ingmar]

You definitely don't need other people to level.

[WoopeeTuralyon]

You might not need other people to level but I'd say it makes leveling much less of a drag to have a couple friends to do it with.

[Shrike]

And what is this aversion to Alliance?! Is there a reason for it, or is it solely because you started on Horde side?

What I've noticed that horde players like patting themselves on the back just because they rolled horde. Even some of my RL friends do this. No sense in it, but I suppose you do have to roll as something. Still, draenei >> everything else, so I can't figure it.

I went ally for two reasons: 1) my EQ guild that transferred over decided we were doing ally on WW, so there it was. 2) I won't play circus freaks or barnyard animals, so horde was out from the getgo.

[Yegolev]

What I've noticed that horde players like patting themselves on the back just because they rolled horde.

Some of this, but mostly I like playing circus freaks.  Especially if I am in the most cartoony MMO this side of ToonTown, I need to do something to stand out.  See previous comment on playing white people.

[Sjofn]

<sob>

Eh... I'll consider Alliance if that's all I have to work with.  I don't act like an ass in game.  Much.  But if I'm going to play a white guy, I might as well stay in LotRO.

Do I actually need other people to level?  Really?

Aw, I wasn't sobbing at you. Rasix was the one breaking my heart!

You definitely don't need other people to level, although I like having a guild line to shoot the shit on most of the time. And you don't have to be a white guy! You could be a draenei! 

[WoopeeTuralyon]

You could be a black guy if you changed the skin tone.

[Yegolev]

You could be a draenei! 

I don't even know what that is.  I will assume it is something I might see in Twilight.

Also, sometimes I quote for comedy instead of context.

You could be a black guy if you changed the skin tone.

Ho hum.  I wasn't being that literal.  Dark-skinned humans are about as boring as pale ones... and I can also play one of those in LotRO.  I do actually play a dark-skinned dwarf.  No... I want to be a goblin.

[WoopeeTuralyon]

That's just a puke green guy!

[Yegolev]

[WoopeeTuralyon]

And draenei are blue space goats. Epic. 

[Rasix]

And draenei are blue space goats. Epic. 

Who are on a side with white guys, short white guys, shorter white guys, and smurf elves.  Coming soon: winger.

[Sjofn]

I have to say, I prefer the Alliance elf to the Horde elf in general. But the boy Horde elves are  .

[Nevermore]

I have to say, I prefer the Alliance elf to the Horde elf in general. But the boy Horde elves are  .

Meaning Sjofn thinks they're FABULOUS.