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Reply #980 on: January 12, 2011, 08:34:45 AM

That game put some money in Fairley's pocket.  With Luck staying at Stanford another year, Fairley is almost certain to go 1 or 2 in the NFL draft.  The guy is a beast. 

He does have a bit of a character issue... cheap shot artist without the subtlety. Beast or not, a lot of clubhouses might shy away from said character problems. That said, he'll be good in the NFL, albeit poor from the fines.

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Reply #981 on: January 12, 2011, 08:35:25 AM

I think he's got some stability issues that if I were a GM I would stay away from.  

Worked pretty well for LT (Lawrence Taylor for you young'ins).  I'd draft this guy for my defense in a heartbeat.  You want anger issues in your defensive stars.  
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Reply #982 on: January 12, 2011, 08:37:17 AM

That slippery-sloppy assed field had a big effect on slowing down Oregon. They are used to playing on field-turf or on grass fields that don't disintegrate any time you try to plant. The field conditions there (especially for it being a controlled environment) were really deplorable.

If Auburn somehow magically played on a different field, I'd agree with you.  But they were slipping and sliding just as much.  And I don't think anyone would ever call Auburn "slow".

When two cornerbacks run down Oregon's supposedly fastest receiver who went 81 yards on blown coverage?  Yeah.  Oregon speed was overrated.

Worked pretty well for LT.  I'd draft this guy for my defense in a heartbeat.  You want anger issues in your defensive stars. 

Yup.  He's not back there playing paddy cake.  He's there to take peoples heads off.
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Reply #983 on: January 12, 2011, 08:41:23 AM

Oh, on the field he will be spectacular.  I'm just envisioning stupid shit done off the field to keep him out of the lineup, e.g. Plaxico Burress or Mike Vick.  

The risk may be worth it, but there may be guys that are just as mean on the field but a little more stable, like Suh.  I don't know if there is a middle ground with Fairley.  He's probably either going to be absolutely dominant or a total bust.  
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Reply #984 on: January 12, 2011, 08:43:47 AM

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For me, crazy as it seems, there is a real relationship between wild, reckless abandon off the field and being that way on the field.

You may have a point.

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Reply #985 on: January 12, 2011, 09:21:51 AM

I'd take Fairley on the Cowboys if he dropped that far. No qualms about it either as a UGA fan.

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Reply #986 on: January 12, 2011, 09:36:27 AM

I think he's got some stability issues that if I were a GM I would stay away from.  

Worked pretty well for LT (Lawrence Taylor for you young'ins).  I'd draft this guy for my defense in a heartbeat.  You want anger issues in your defensive stars.  

For every Lawrence Taylor, there's an Albert Haynesworth.

edit: I think he'll be a great pro, but character issues are something to be wary of.  Hopefully, they're more like Terrel Suggs character issues and not something that prevents him from performing on the field.
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Reply #987 on: January 12, 2011, 09:38:11 AM

When two cornerbacks run down Oregon's supposedly fastest receiver who went 81 yards on blown coverage?  Yeah.  Oregon speed was overrated.

Jeff Maehl is not fast.  He's a possession receiver that used to play as a safety.

He is, however, their best receiver by a long shot.  But in general, their receiving corp is pretty poor. 
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Reply #988 on: January 12, 2011, 09:59:56 AM

I'd take Fairley on the Cowboys if he dropped that far. No qualms about it either as a UGA fan.

What terrifies me is that my beloved Vikings could very well take Mallett in the draft.  To see them go from an old Favre to a new, less skilled Favre scares me. 

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Reply #989 on: January 12, 2011, 10:11:37 AM

And the talk about Oregon's "speed" is not necessarily about how fast they run, it is about how fast they usually run plays. Average scoring drive time for the season was less than 2 minutes.

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Reply #990 on: January 12, 2011, 10:12:32 AM

I still don't understand why teams continue to draft QBs with their high picks.  The chance of success is so slim with the first round guys.  They're better off trying to pick up a Romo as a third or fourth rounder. 
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Reply #991 on: January 12, 2011, 10:20:52 AM

I still don't understand why teams continue to draft QBs with their high picks.  The chance of success is so slim with the first round guys.  They're better off trying to pick up a Romo as a third or fourth rounder.  

Just off the top of my head:  Phillip Rivers, Ben Rothlesburger, Joe Flacco, Eli Manning (hey, won a superbowl), Peyton Manning, Sam Bradford (he seems like he'll work out), Aaron Rodgers, Matt Ryan, Jay Cutler, Josh Freeman.  Stafford could be added to that list if he ever manages to keep his shoulder in its socket.  Sanchez.. I don't know yet.

There are 2 teams I can think of with solid quarterbacking that aren't starting a first rounder: the Pats and the Saints.

Yah, there are a lot of high profile busts, but there are also some good QBs to be had drafting in the first round.

edit: Forgot about the Cowboys.  I think Tony Romo is a good QB despite his lack of success in actually doing anything.

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Reply #992 on: January 12, 2011, 10:30:00 AM

Yeah, but look at the number of busts to get to those guys.  The return on your pick is pretty bad.  Not off the top of my head:  JaMarcus Russel, Brady Quinn, Vince Young, Matt Leinart, Jay Cutler, Alex Smith, Jason Campbell, JP Losman, Carson Palmer, Byron Leftwich, Kyle Boller, Rex Grossman, David Carr, Joey Harrington, Michael Vick, Chad Pennington.....

Yes, sure some of these guys have started and some have even had a stretch of 3 or 4 decent years (Palmer), but all would probably not be first rounders if there was a redo of the draft.  Smith, Russel and Carr were all spectacular bombs for first picks, and Vick has been a bust of his own, but for different reasons. 

I would be much more sold on taking your man Foles as a third round pick and picking up a studly lineman or two to protect him. 
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Reply #993 on: January 12, 2011, 10:31:57 AM

I think you have two options when drafting a QB:

1) Take someone with known cerebral and leadership skills in the first round and hope that they have the physical gifts to play at the NFL tempo or

2) Take a QB in later rounds with the physical gifts and bring them up slowly through your system behind a proven veteran. 


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Reply #994 on: January 12, 2011, 10:33:57 AM

Well, option number one certainly would have ruled out a lot of those busts if GMs would have gotten their heads out of their asses before draft day.  Vince Young, Leinart, JaMarcus Russel, Rex Grossman and Mike Vick all had some questionable cerebral and leadership skills. 
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Reply #995 on: January 12, 2011, 11:24:36 AM

You also need coaches that know how to handle the Lawrence Taylors of the world, and even then they'll do something moronic, so it also helps if they only get a slap on the wrist for their cocaine use instead of being shipped off to jail like a regular person.

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Reply #996 on: January 12, 2011, 11:25:12 AM

Vince Young scored a 6 (!!!) on the wonderlic test.
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Reply #997 on: January 13, 2011, 01:21:31 AM

Rumors are swirling that Norm Chow is coming to the Utes which is both bizarre and awesome at the same time.

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Reply #998 on: January 13, 2011, 08:17:26 AM

Vince Young scored a 6 (!!!) on the wonderlic test.

So I just googled the wonderlic since I've heard of it a bunch but really had no idea what it was besides "a test."

I found this nugget on wikipedia
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Reply #999 on: January 13, 2011, 08:18:48 AM

Rumors are swirling that Norm Chow is coming to the Utes which is both bizarre and awesome at the same time.

As a OC or HC?  If OC, then that's awesome.  If HC, then still kinda awesome as long as he calls the plays and develops the QBs.
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Reply #1000 on: January 13, 2011, 08:47:52 AM

Vince Young scored a 6 (!!!) on the wonderlic test.

So I just googled the wonderlic since I've heard of it a bunch but really had no idea what it was besides "a test."

I found this nugget on wikipedia
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Wonderlic, Inc. claims a score of at least 10 points suggests a person is literate
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Yeah.  And scoring a 6 means that VY pretty much didn't even try.  6 is borderline mentally retarded level for the test, and VY is a reasonable intelligent (but highly immature) guy. 
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Reply #1001 on: January 13, 2011, 10:23:59 AM

Rumors are swirling that Norm Chow is coming to the Utes which is both bizarre and awesome at the same time.

As a OC or HC?  If OC, then that's awesome.  If HC, then still kinda awesome as long as he calls the plays and develops the QBs.

OC along with Tim Davis coming in as O line coach. Our head coach is a defensive guy so he would be turning the offense over to Chow basically.

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Reply #1002 on: January 13, 2011, 10:35:13 AM

OC along with Tim Davis coming in as O line coach. Our head coach is a defensive guy so he would be turning the offense over to Chow basically.

Chow is a spectacular offensive mind, that is for sure.  I often wonder about how easy he is to work with, however, as he moves around a lot and nobody is ever sad to see him go. 
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Reply #1003 on: January 13, 2011, 11:33:21 AM

He apparently has a pretty big ego but he was at byu for twenty seven years.

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Reply #1004 on: January 13, 2011, 03:48:13 PM

He apparently has a pretty big ego but he was at byu for twenty seven years.

Wow.  He must be a lot older than I realized.  Well, I hope he turns out well for you guys in your first year in the Pac 12.
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Reply #1005 on: January 13, 2011, 03:51:13 PM

Rumors are swirling that Norm Chow is coming to the Utes which is both bizarre and awesome at the same time.

Correct me if I'm mistaken, but didn't he play ball at Utah?  If so, that may be his motivation for going back. 

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Reply #1006 on: January 13, 2011, 04:02:46 PM

Rumors are swirling that Norm Chow is coming to the Utes which is both bizarre and awesome at the same time.

Correct me if I'm mistaken, but didn't he play ball at Utah?  If so, that may be his motivation for going back.  

Yes, he did.  In the '60s.

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Edit:  and apparently he's Dr. Chow. 
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Reply #1007 on: January 13, 2011, 05:24:25 PM

He's also basically being shoved out the door at ucla as he and neuheisal never got on very well.

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Reply #1008 on: January 13, 2011, 05:28:32 PM

That by itself should be a point in Chow's favor.

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Reply #1009 on: January 13, 2011, 06:12:14 PM

Has ANYONE ever really gotten along with Neuheisel?

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Reply #1010 on: January 13, 2011, 06:38:29 PM

Yeah, but look at the number of busts to get to those guys.  The return on your pick is pretty bad.  Not off the top of my head:  JaMarcus Russel, Brady Quinn, Vince Young, Matt Leinart, Jay Cutler, Alex Smith, Jason Campbell, JP Losman, Carson Palmer, Byron Leftwich, Kyle Boller, Rex Grossman, David Carr, Joey Harrington, Michael Vick, Chad Pennington.....

In Palmer's defense he was amazing until the Steelers destroyed his knee. He's never mentally come all the way back from that is how it seems to me and I watch every Bengals game.

Jay Cutler is not a bad QB you're smoking crack. Vince Young is not a bad QB but something is wrong with that kid no doubt. I think Leinart will play decent ball at some point somewhere. Jason Campbell had no chance on the Redskins he's proven on the Raiders (still terrible) that's he can win games in the league. Byron Leftwich can win games as did Pennington when not hurt 24/7.

I get that your saying ROI but any position can be hurt often, be a headcase or just not operate within the system you need a QB that has the tools first and foremost and its rare for QB talent to drop that low.

How the fuck is Mallet the next Brett Favre? First of all fuck Mallet that kid can't handle pressure for shit. If he had any kind of clutch and wasn't self destructing he could have stolen that game from Ohio State thanks to the bs touchback and blocked punt. I saw nothing in his play that makes me think of Favre. He's more like Drew Bledsoe.

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Reply #1011 on: January 13, 2011, 11:42:12 PM

Has ANYONE ever really gotten along with Neuheisel?

I'm sure a few co-eds at UW or CU did....
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Reply #1012 on: January 14, 2011, 08:19:59 AM

Has ANYONE ever really gotten along with Neuheisel?

Pretty much every recruit. He's a smooth-talking mother.

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Reply #1013 on: January 14, 2011, 11:37:56 AM

Worked pretty well for LT (Lawrence Taylor for you young'ins).  I'd draft this guy for my defense in a heartbeat.  You want anger issues in your defensive stars.  

Speaking of LT and young people.....   awesome, for real
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