Walking Dead

[Nevermore]

The subtitle for the season 3 DVD set should be "It's All Andrea's Fault".

[HaemishM]

I hope Andrea gets turned into a zombie and the Gov. keeps her in his closet.

This. She is so fuckstupid it hurts.

[Bunk]

That had to be the most depressing episode of this show in which no major characters died.

One of my favorites so far, although it would have been better without the pointless "It's only a flesh wound!" scene.

[tazelbain]

Writers clearly don't know how to create good female characters.

[Mrbloodworth]

Writers clearly don't know how to create good female characters.

Eh? Shows rather centered around them.

[HaemishM]

Writers clearly don't know how to create good female characters.

Eh? Shows rather centered around them.

Andrea disputes that claim.

[TheWalrus]

I was super disappointed by the neglect of the backpacker. :/

[Tebonas]

Me too, escpecially in an episode that also should have reminded Rick that he was only alive because of the kindness of strangers.

They outnumbered the backpacker 3:1, so there was no danger from him. And even from a utilitarian viewpoint what they need most is manpower.

Dumb fucks.

[apocrypha]

Agreed, my over-riding emotion towards Rick now is that he deserves whatever shit befalls him and his loved ones.

Zombie fiction is about the present, and this show continues to be about the writers feelings that most of humanity is irredeemable - racist, sexist, selfish and violent. I watch it and think "man, this show comes from a really unpleasant place".


Also, how come they're back at the town where Rick was a cop? Did I miss something or is the entire USA only about 200km across?

[Ironwood]

Yeah, that's bugged me since Season 2.  There's little to no scale at all.

[Selby]

The backpacker neglect followed by taking his stuff... yeah that didn't sit right with me either.

Zombie fiction is about the present, and this show continues to be about the writers feelings that most of humanity is irredeemable - racist, sexist, selfish and violent. I watch it and think "man, this show comes from a really unpleasant place".

Honestly though, do you think they are wrong?  In a world with no rules or law as we know it, would it really be that much different?

[Bunk]

I read an interview with the writers about the positioning of everything, dimensions, etc. They said they figured the prison was on the opposite side of Atlanta from Rick's home town, and probably about a four hour drive. It still seems silly that all of a sudden they can just up and drive four hours away with no issue, but hey - it's a zombie show. Too much thinking makes it hurt.

[kaid]

It took them almost an entire winter to get to the prison it was not a quick lil 4 hour drive with no problems. What I am more curious about is how far woodbury is from the prison I have to assume it is pretty damn close.

[Mrbloodworth]

Writers clearly don't know how to create good female characters.

Eh? Shows rather centered around them.

Andrea disputes that claim.

I am just trying to point out that the show is really centered around the females, not the men. Your personal view of Andera is an aside at best.

[Ironwood]

I'm not sure you're right.

[Rasix]

I have my doubts.

[Threash]

It took them almost an entire winter to get to the prison it was not a quick lil 4 hour drive with no problems. What I am more curious about is how far woodbury is from the prison I have to assume it is pretty damn close.

No, they spent the winter going in circles.

[apocrypha]

Honestly though, do you think they are wrong?  In a world with no rules or law as we know it, would it really be that much different?

Doesn't the very fact that I posted that lead you to conclude that I do think that?

And the show is about the women? What? The women who spent an entire season doing laundry at the farm? 

[Mrbloodworth]

I'm not sure you're right.

Welp, lets see, Shane and Lori affair, Sophia line, Amy, Carol and hubby and eventual love intrust in Daryl, Hershel and the protection of the ladies of the farm, Glen and Maggie, Michonne and Andrea closeness, The governor and Andrea, Haley the crossbow girl, Beths transformation, Ricks Visions, Ass Kicker...

Just about every Female in the show has had more of a progression in the series than the men. Who are relatively the same as the day they walk on screen.

[Bunk]

Seriously? The same as they were at the start?

Darrell coming out from under his brother's shadow, Carl going from whiny idiot to badass psycho, Glen going from happy go lucky Shortround to raging freak.
Rick coming to realize that being a nice guy is going to get everyone killed and turning in to a cold hearted bastard.

Every character in the show that lived more than three episodes has gone through some type of arc.

[Ironwood]

I'm not sure you're right.

Welp, lets see, Shane and Lori affair, Sophia line, Amy, Carol and hubby and eventual love intrust in Daryl, Hershel and the protection of the ladies of the farm, Glen and Maggie, Michonne and Andrea closeness, The governor and Andrea, Haley the crossbow girl, Beths transformation, Ricks Visions, Ass Kicker...

Just about every Female in the show has had more of a progression in the series than the men. Who are relatively the same as the day they walk on screen.

Not sure you're right.

[tazelbain]

Lori is ridiculous negative stereo type of a women. Men fight over her like property and she encourages it. She tells other women to get back in kitchen.  She runs to place herself in harms way for no reason or guilt others to do it for her.  The one transitionally female role that would have useful was minding the child which she couldn't do for shit.  She is such a bad charactor she might as well be a Mcguffin with a vagina.

Andrea had a promising arc but it is diving hard.

Sophia, Haley, Amy and Judith are nothing more than a stick figures. Ridiculous to even to discuss them.

Beth is hardly better.

Maggie is alright. But no real arc.  Maybe torture stuff will start one.

Carol is the the best.

Michonne clearly has a ton of potential but they have stunted her character. Look forward to see if they can do something with her besides being angry swordswoman.

Anyway, your descriptions are what real damn your argument since they mostly describe Male character reactions to the females. Prince kills a dragon to save a princess. Tells you more about the prince than the princess.

[Mrbloodworth]

The same as they were at the start?

That's not what I said.

As for Taz, your personal opinion, and what seems like some sort of projection, does not really change the fact, the show is extremely woman centered. It does not matter if you enjoy the arcs or not. Im thinking we are not watching the same show. Previously isolated semi-racist Maggie hasen't changed? lol?

[Ironwood]

your personal opinion, and what seems like some sort of projection, does not really change the fact, the show is extremely woman centered.  Im thinking we are not watching the same show.

 

[apocrypha]

As for Taz, your personal opinion, and what seems like some sort of projection, does not really change the fact, the show is extremely woman centered.

I think you might have this sentence the wrong way round.

[Evildrider]

[Ironwood]

 

In fairness to the chap, he seems quite a capable actor as well as being the only actual character most people can stomach.

[MediumHigh]

The walking dead can't do much with female characters.

Likes to kill off every black character it can find.

And what little goes for development of characters your suppose to like, retards itself the next episode.

So yeah. And I really tried to...dear god just ignore that they just drove to Rick's house from the prison...

Oh and they finally gave Michonne some dialogue. I guess her character arc will be "when I don't act like a deaf, mute, psychopath people actually want me around...."

Andrea only role is to be the devils advocate. I mean its "justifiable" for a perfectly normal person to think woodbery is awesome. Considering her background, "what you mean go back to the kitchen", type of chick would reaaaaaaaaaaaaallllllly want to go back to civilization. Unfortunately that type will do... pretty damn fuck retarded bitch things to get it back (hence sleeping with the governor even AFTER realizing how much of a douche he is). They never really knew what to do with Andrea...her being in the comic is the only thing keeping her alive.

Only female character they know how to write is Carol and Maggie and they mostly do this by putting the camera on them as little as possible.

[Tannhauser]

Andrea is only as stupid as the writers need her to be.  Sometimes quite stupid. Looks good in a thong though.

I really liked the last episode.  Just a few characters, an interesting setting and great acting.  Sometimes a change of pace is very welcome. 

The ending was sad and hilarious at the same time.  A highlight of the season.

[Lt.Dan]

I find Andrea to be annoying but she's not a bad character.  She's caught between the two groups trying to improve the Rick teams circumstances and appalled at the carryon in town.  Her problem is that she's one of those people who think that she suffers from middle manager syndrome.  She thinks she's a good manager but has no fucking clue and can only screw things up.  As a result noone respects her opinion.

Also very glad that Michonne is becoming more human.  The whole samaurai sword wielding killing machine shtick wasn't a character.  Seeing the empathy with Rick's son was a great character moment.

On the other hand, Maggie has kind of faded into the background which might just be the writers cycling characters into the spotlight.

[goishen]

Honestly though, do you think they are wrong?  In a world with no rules or law as we know it, would it really be that much different?

Doesn't the very fact that I posted that lead you to conclude that I do think that?

And the show is about the women? What? The women who spent an entire season doing laundry at the farm? 

God, I hated the second season.   I just kept thinking to myself, "Oh great, another Jericho."   Ya know, a show where they say, "Hey, the entire world's just ended, ya wanna go to prom?!" in a really high squeaky girly voice.  Honestly, after that season, I was gonna give it one or two more episodes and that was it (because the cliffhangers that they leave on the endings and beginnings of seasons).  I have a feeling that the show wasn't really all that well planned out. 

This goes back to season one but if I were to wake up in Atlanta and there was something making the dead go walking around, the first thing I would do is head straight for the CDC.  No ifs, no ands, no buts.  Then, once I got there, I wouldn't be getting drunk with random strangers or wondering WTF is up with some guy's watch. 

Luckily by season three they saved it, barely.   I would much rather see Andrea running amok rather stupidly then to see Carl sitting there toiling away at his math homework.  Because uhhh yah.   The entire world has just ended, now give me your dissertation on Socrates vs. Thrasaymycus.   'Cause that shit's important, yo.   You must know the zombie to kill the zombie.

I understand where it comes from, the desire to be normal.  For things to go back to the way that they were.   But, jeezus.   

[angry.bob]

Rick's group really, really need to bathe. And change clothes. Even if they just change into prisoner jumpsuits it would be a hell of an improvement. They're in a prison with a master key. The places are literally designed to be able to be compartmentalized in order to clear them almost room by room. By now they should have been able to clear most of the buildings in complete safety and have huge stores of supplies on hand. As far as Woodbury attacking them, just lock the doors of your re-enforced concrete building and use the guard's sniper rifles and grenades on anything coming close.

But really, take some pride in your appearance and body scent prison crew.

[MediumHigh]

Honestly though, do you think they are wrong?  In a world with no rules or law as we know it, would it really be that much different?

Doesn't the very fact that I posted that lead you to conclude that I do think that?

And the show is about the women? What? The women who spent an entire season doing laundry at the farm?  

God, I hated the second season.   I just kept thinking to myself, "Oh great, another Jericho."   Ya know, a show where they say, "Hey, the entire world's just ended, ya wanna go to prom?!" in a really high squeaky girly voice.  Honestly, after that season, I was gonna give it one or two more episodes and that was it (because the cliffhangers that they leave on the endings and beginnings of seasons).  I have a feeling that the show wasn't really all that well planned out.  

This goes back to season one but if I were to wake up in Atlanta and there was something making the dead go walking around, the first thing I would do is head straight for the CDC.  No ifs, no ands, no buts.  Then, once I got there, I wouldn't be getting drunk with random strangers or wondering WTF is up with some guy's watch.  

Luckily by season three they saved it, barely.   I would much rather see Andrea running amok rather stupidly then to see Carl sitting there toiling away at his math homework.  Because uhhh yah.   The entire world has just ended, now give me your dissertation on Socrates vs. Thrasaymycus.   'Cause that shit's important, yo.   You must know the zombie to kill the zombie.

I understand where it comes from, the desire to be normal.  For things to go back to the way that they were.   But, jeezus.  

Actually the first thing I'd do is find me a woman. CDC would probably be fucked first, all the idiots will swarm the hospitals, pharmacies, government buildings first, if a pandemic that extreme happened. They'd have to move the CDC to some underground bunker in the middle of fuck knows where that is-ville, so they can actually work on a cure without all of the united states migrating there banging on the door. However a woman? I mean, I'm not masturbating till I die in some cabin in the woods at 40.

This was a good enough episode, sad and funny that Andrea was given the "men are talking" look by both Rick and The Governor. Its not that she doesn't have a point, she just criminally bad at reading people. At this point her character is being officially fueled at stupid. So I'm going back to the Governor so I can back stab him, cause you know I've been able to predict his every move so well... n Android

[OandA]

Actually the first thing I'd do is find me a woman. CDC would probably be fucked first, all the idiots will swarm the hospitals, pharmacies, government buildings first, if a pandemic that extreme happened. They'd have to move the CDC to some underground bunker in the middle of fuck knows where that is-ville, so they can actually work on a core without all of the united states migrating to there. However a woman? I mean, I'm not masturbating till I do in some cabin in the woods at 40.

What is this... I don't even...

[HaemishM]

Andrea sweats liquid stupid.

Just... so... fucking... dumb.