Walking Dead

[Surlyboi]

Rick's looks and Lori's braaaaaainsssss does not a good combo make.

[Ironwood]

What's wrong with Rick's looks ?

[angry.bob]

English healthcare teeth
I think he looks fine, I think I'd bang him if I were gay or a woman.

As far as Carl, the rock throwing and whatnot is what about every single boy his age would do if they discovered the same thing. Where he fucked up was crossing the river and getting within arms reach instead of just shooting or going to get an adult after dicking around. I guarantee it's not a mistake he's going to make twice now. I don't think an episode has gone by where someone hasn't said "Where's Carl at?" and no one seems to know. This episode kind of answers the sort of stuff carl is off doing.  

[Ironwood]

 

We're a week behind over here and now I'm all tantalised.

[Cheddar]

We're a week behind over here and now I'm all tantalised.

Stop. Reading. This. Thread.

This episode was probably one of the best ones since Season 1.  Do not spoil your experience!

[angry.bob]

Yeah, sorry... I didn't realize that you guys were behind. I don't think I wrote anything too spoilery but don't take chance. And it really is that good an episode.

[Ironwood]

We're a week behind over here and now I'm all tantalised.

Stop. Reading. This. Thread.

This episode was probably one of the best ones since Season 1.  Do not spoil your experience!

Okay Doke.  Back laters.

[Threash]

I didn't think the episode was very good at all, merely shocking.

[MahrinSkel]

After all the touchy-feelie interpersonal drama, the writers are reminding us that this is still the zombie apocalypse, and you only have to forget that for a second to wind up Zombie Chow.

--Dave

[tazelbain]

[Bunk]

[Xanthippe]

[Ratman_tf]

Anything can kill their group. A hard winter where everyone gets pneumonia and they're all dead. There's strength in numbers, and they're going to have to take some chances on trust and get some new blood or their group will dwindle and weaken. Some semblance of civilization means they can earn trust and be trusted in return. The alternative is to go all Shane, kill every male they meet, and take their women for breeding stock. And then the show gets really depressing as we watch a pack of survivors turn into a gang of marauding rapists.

*Ed to fix spoiler tag

[Arthur_Parker]

Last couple of episodes have been very good, I thought this was going downhill rather fast so I'm glad I gave it another chance.

[Xanthippe]

Shane's not THAT bad. Seriously, you think he went total caveman? Nah. He still has some humanity, I think.

I'd take crazy Shane over either Dale or Lori any day.

Let's not forget than Randal's buds went for their guns first in that little shoot out. Rick blew it by not mercy killing the guy when he was stuck on the fence. Herschel was right, Rick should have listened to him.

Herschel post-enlightenment seems to be all right.

[Nevermore]

I'd take crazy Shane over either Dale or Lori any day.

Until it's you he shoots and leaves behind as zombie chow to save his own skin.

[Xanthippe]

I'd take crazy Shane over either Dale or Lori any day.

Until it's you he shoots and leaves behind as zombie chow to save his own skin.

Which group member do you think would sacrifice her/himself in order to save another, except those tied by blood?

I don't think that anybody would, except maybe Glenn to save Maggie.

Shane killed Otis because he saw Otis as not a member of his group, and killed him in order to save a member of his group (Carl), not just because he wanted to save himself - at least that's how I see Shane. He's a creep, but not any more than Dale was a creep.

Shane has done a great deal for members of his group - more than Dale did.

[Threash]

I'd take crazy Shane over either Dale or Lori any day.

Until it's you he shoots and leaves behind as zombie chow to save his own skin.

Which group member do you think would sacrifice her/himself in order to save another, except those tied by blood?

Exactly.  Lori and Rick would both have killed Otis to save Carl.  Like Daryl said, it wasn't hard to figure out, Rick just didn't want to think about it because it meant Carls life.

[Nevermore]

Lori wouldn't have because I don't think Lori is capable of killing anything.  Lori is the worst kind of useless because she's unwilling to learn how to defend herself.  She only escaped alive from that car wreck through sheer luck, not out of any kind of competence.  Rick wouldn't have killed Otis the way Shane did.  Oh, he'd have killed him if Otis directly threatened Carl, but Otis was actively trying to help.  He wasn't the enemy.  That's the big difference between what Shane did and what most of the others would do.

I'd take Dale over Shane any day.  Dale might be pompous, sanctimonious and insufferable but at least he has a moral compass.  Shane is a borderline sociopath who will rationalize anything to get what he wants.  Last time I checked, Dale isn't the one who tried to force himself on the woman he thinks is 'his'.  While I think Shane and Lori deserve each other, I don't see how a zombie apocalypse justifies attempted rape.

I also think you underestimate Dale's contribution to the group.  While he certainly isn't the fighter that Shane is, Dale was the best (only?) mechanic of the group which was pretty important when they were on the move.

[Ratman_tf]

Shane's not THAT bad.

The writers have nearly written Helter Skelter on his forehead for us. His constant fidgeting, and scheming. This is exactly the type of character who will throw anyone under the bus at any time if he thinks he's going to get his way for it, or is provoked. Hell, I thought he was going to try to kill Lori when she gave him the "Leave me the fuck alone" speech. And you can tell he's just itching for Rick's blood.
Not to mention he was all for taking over the farm from the beginning. How do you think he was going to accomplish that? By politely asking Herschel to give them the farm?

I'd take a zombie over Shane. At least you know where you stand with the Zombie.

[Tebonas]

Shane IS that bad.

Just because it was a few episodes ago we shouldn't forget that he almost shot Rick in the back unprovoked and all but admitted that to Dale while threatening to kill him as well.

[apocrypha]

IMO this show has, from the start, been deliberately written to polarise people and cause arguments. It's a non-reality version of reality TV. It's aimed particularly at American political sensibilities and doesn't really translate well for instance to my views. I think they're all acting like fucking retards and are the living (hah) embodiment of what Marx called the "muck of ages". Their ways of thinking are rooted in the world that existed before the collapse and simply don't apply any more. They are surviving despite their methods, not because of them.

I think it was particularly telling that the one time (that I can remember) that they took a collective, group decision, their self-appointed leader refused to implement it.

[Xanthippe]

I'd take Dale over Shane any day. 

So looking at Dale's decisions, Andrea would not have access to firearms at all - but she's become pretty good at shooting zombies, so where would that have left the group? And there would still be zombies in the barn, if it was up to Dale. It remains to be seen how the Randal thing plays out and whether Dale would have been right about not killing Randal or not.

That is a good point about Dale being the mechanic.

[Nevermore]

So looking at Dale's decisions, Andrea would not have access to firearms at all - but she's become pretty good at shooting zombies, so where would that have left the group?

When she's not mistaking people in the group for zombies, sure.    An Andrea without access to firearms might have left the group with a slightly less emo Daryl.

But honestly, just because I'd rather have Dale in a group over Shane doesn't mean I think Dale should be in charge of the group or that I think every decision he's made has been the right one.  Dale certainly wasn't the only one who thought the barn should be left alone.  I don't remember offhand now, but I'm pretty sure it was Rick who was the most vehement at leaving the barn alone so as not to offend Herschel.

[Xanthippe]

True. Rick has made a lot of errors, though, and he's not a great leader. I'm not sure who would be a better one though. Maybe Herschel (now). Certainly not Shane nor Andrea.

[Threash]

DARYL

[Tannhauser]

Glen.  He's brave, smart and good hearted.

[Xanthippe]

While I like both of those guys better than I like Rick, neither want to step up and lead, and both look toward Rick to do it.

[CmdrSlack]

So there are Walking Dead action figures based on the comic (I need to nab a Michonne for my desk), and Walking Dead action figures based on the TV show. Based on the limited number that they currently make, I can safely predict that the following two characters will not die any time soon:

[angry.bob]

DARYL

Indeed. I have a feeling Daryl and his brother were living this lifestyle for a while before any zombie apocalypse. Before he decided the group was broken he was sociable, concerned for the group, and willing to take unpleasant action without being eager for it. Not sure if he'd be any good now though.

[TheWalrus]

Sofia kind of broke him. He'll come back.

[Ratman_tf]

Daryl's not bad, racism aside for a moment, but he strikes me as more of a doer than a planner and especially not a co-ordinator. Maybe he'll pick up those kinds of skills as the show goes on, maybe not.

[HaemishM]

This episode plodded along with a bit too much of the "let's discuss the moral dilemma" and not enough movement. They've spent too much time on the farm, IMO. I think the big ending was telegraphed... it was just a matter of who got eaten, not if. Though I must say I was surprised by the who.

Herschel is a broken man and unable to lead. Daryl isn't a leader, he's the vanguard. Glenn's the scout. Shane's the goddamn headcase - you can tell he's trying to believe his survival of the fittest bullshit, but even he doesn't believe it. If he did, he'd have shot Rick a long time ago. He's trying very hard to do what he thinks needs to be done but he isn't willing to go all the way and kill his friend to accomplish that, proving he lacks the strength of his convictions.

I can forgive Carl being a dumbass because he's a kid. The rest of the group? Not so much. They all know killing Randall is wrong, but they are acting out of fear. T-Dog really has been ill-used this season. As the only black character, I'm surprised he's lasted this long.

I'm really hoping they get the fuck off the farm soon.

[CmdrSlack]

My main issue is that, at the end of season 1, Fort Benning was the goal. It wasn't until 2 or 3 episodes ago that they learned Ft. Benning wasn't an option. I just hope that we see some version of the various refuge spots that the comic developed. I'd be pretty pissed if the show suddenly jumped from "desolation in zombie land" to being caught up in the current comic plot.

[Nevermore]

Well, they already cast a certain big villain from the comic for season 3, so I don't think they're going to be jumping all the way to whatever is happening in the current comic yet.