NFL 2010

[Ingmar]

Trent Dilfer. 

Trent Dilfer is the most annoying argument against the "It's all about the QB" debate because he's the ONLY outlier. Most sports radio people treat his name with disdain when you bring it up because it's known, and it doesn't matter.

There response is the same as mine, name another one.

Terry Bradshaw, Jeff Hostetler, Brad Johnson...

[Nebu]

Jim McMahon, Eli Manning, Ken Stabler, Doug Williams, Jim Plunkett ...

[Hoax]

For real did Paelos just say that and forget about that Bucs team?

Also I don't really remember the season/super bowl but what about the Redskins when they won it I looked at a list of super bowl qb's and I don't even recognize that name (Mark Rypien).

LoL also Eli Manning is a great choice, that guy is ass.

[ghost]

Trent Dilfer.  

Trent Dilfer is the most annoying argument against the "It's all about the QB" debate because he's the ONLY outlier. Most sports radio people treat his name with disdain when you bring it up because it's known, and it doesn't matter.

Their response is the same as mine, name another one.

No he's not.  There are some scattered throughout.  One could even argue that Rothlisberger, in his first Superbowl, was there simply to manage the game.  He has gone on to bigger and better things, but in the beginning he wasn't as much of a focus of the team.  Here are some other QBs that may not have been hall of fame caliber on great teams:

1.  Eli Manning
2.  Brad Johnson
3.  Mark Rypien
4.  Jeff Hostetler
5.  Doug Williams
6.  Phil Simms
7.  Jim McMahon

Each of these guys was good, but by himself wouldn't be carrying a team.

[Paelos]

I'm sorry, I should have qualified that to say in today's game meaning the last 20 years.

The NFL today is nothing like the NFL of the 70s and 80s in any way, shape, or payroll. It's stupid to compare the two. Hell, the majority of the records from those eras have been ground to dust.

[Ruvaldt]

Brad Johnson is pretty recent.

Eli is as well, though some would argue that he isn't a middling QB (not me).

[Sjofn]

I'm sorry, I should have qualified that to say in today's game meaning the last 20 years.

The NFL today is nothing like the NFL of the 70s and 80s in any way, shape, or payroll. It's stupid to compare the two. Hell, the majority of the records from those eras have been ground to dust.

Hostetler won his in 1991. 

[Nebu]

I'm sorry, I should have qualified that to say in today's game meaning the last 20 years.

Every sport has changed in the last 30 years.  Still, there are a few older faces on the list for passing yards (career).  Marino bridges the gap.

1.    Brett Favre (41)    71,838     1991-2010     
2.    Dan Marino+    61,361     1983-1999     
3.    Peyton Manning (34)    54,828     1998-2010  
4.    John Elway+    51,475     1983-1998     
5.    Warren Moon+    49,325     1984-2000     
6.    Fran Tarkenton+    47,003     1961-1978     
7.    Vinny Testaverde    46,233     1987-2007     
8.    Drew Bledsoe    44,611     1993-2006     
9.    Dan Fouts+    43,040     1973-1987     
10.    Joe Montana+    40,551     1979-1994     

Single Season passing yard records are also interesting.

1   Dan Marino    Miami Dolphins            5,084   1984
2    Drew Brees    New Orleans Saints    5,069    2008
3   Kurt Warner    St. Louis Rams            4,830   2001
4    Tom Brady            New England Patriots    4,806    2007
5   Dan Fouts    San Diego Chargers    4,802   1981
6   Dan Marino    Miami Dolphins            4,746   1986
7   D. Culpepper    Minnesota Vikings    4,717   2004
8   Dan Fouts    San Diego Chargers    4,715   1980
9   Warren Moon    Houston Oilers            4,690   1991
T10    Warren Moon    Houston Oilers            4,689   1990

[ghost]

Here's a good list that has the winning and losing QBs of each year of the superbowl. 

Link

[HaemishM]

Ben Rothliesberger's first Super Bowl win. Brad Johnson. Jim McMahon. Doug Williams. Mark Rypien. Jeff Hostetler.

[Paelos]

Brad Johnson was lighting it up, a pro bowler, and setting Tampa Bay franchise records. I'm not sure how you people are tossing him in the category of average QB who won a championship.

[ghost]

Johnson in 2003 had 26 TDs versus 21 Ints, 3800 yards and 62% passing completions.  Maybe a decent showing, but you could have put any number of other guys in his spot to do the same thing.  Otherwise, his career is pretty much meh.  He wasn't awful, but certainly not to the level of "it's all about the QB".  If I remember correctly, Tampa that year was known predominantly for it's defense.  

[Nebu]

Tampa Bay was 4th or 5th in team defense in 2003.  5th in points allowed, 4th in passing yards allowed, etc.

[ghost]

The link says they were 18th in offense in 2003, as well.  They were #6 in passing offense though, so Johnson definitely had a good year. 

[Sjofn]

Poor Dan Marino. :(

[HaemishM]

Brad Johnson is the very definition of system QB with all the negatives that entails. At his best, he managed the game well enough when coached, but most years he was barely adequate enough to keep a job. His Super Bowl year was 2002, when he threw 22 TD and only 6 INTs. He was replaced at various times in his career by such luminaries as Brian Griese and Tavaris Jackson. Tampa won that year on a killer defense with an offense that didn't self-destruct.

[Nebu]

Poor Dan Marino. :(

If he had two good knees, he could have been spectacular!

[Nevermore]

Tampa Bay was 4th or 5th in team defense in 2003.  5th in points allowed, 4th in passing yards allowed, etc.

Wrong season.  They were by far the number one defense in both points allowed and yards allowed their Super Bowl year.

[ghost]

Ah yes, they won it in 2002.  Here is the link for that year.  They were indeed #1 in total and passing defense and #6 against the run. 

They were #18 in offense and #15 in passing offense. 

[naum]

Ben Rothliesberger's first Super Bowl win. Brad Johnson. Jim McMahon. Doug Williams. Mark Rypien. Jeff Hostetler.

Ben might have had a poor SB showing but he had a great season, with many 4th quarter clutch plays.

Rypien had a fabulous season that year, even if he turned out to be a 1 year wonder.

Williams played lights out that SB.

The others, I give you and I'll throw in Trent Dilfer but we're going back ~10 years now.  In the past decade, only time a non-great QB wins is with a defense that is totally off the hook, like Baltimore in 2000 or TB in 2002.  Look at all the SB winning QB — Brady, Roethlisberger, Manning, Warner…

Salary cap concerns make it harder for any one team to dominate scrimmage -- look at teams with running game in 2010, not even consistent there, odd for OL to dominate DL for consistent run game.

[Johny Cee]

I'm sorry, I should have qualified that to say in today's game meaning the last 20 years.

Every sport has changed in the last 30 years.  Still, there are a few older faces on the list for passing yards (career).  Marino bridges the gap.

1.    Brett Favre (41)    71,838     1991-2010     
2.    Dan Marino+    61,361     1983-1999     
3.    Peyton Manning (34)    54,828     1998-2010  
4.    John Elway+    51,475     1983-1998     
5.    Warren Moon+    49,325     1984-2000     
6.    Fran Tarkenton+    47,003     1961-1978     
7.    Vinny Testaverde    46,233     1987-2007     
8.    Drew Bledsoe    44,611     1993-2006     
9.    Dan Fouts+    43,040     1973-1987     
10.    Joe Montana+    40,551     1979-1994     

Single Season passing yard records are also interesting.

1   Dan Marino    Miami Dolphins            5,084   1984
2    Drew Brees    New Orleans Saints    5,069    2008
3   Kurt Warner    St. Louis Rams            4,830   2001
4    Tom Brady            New England Patriots    4,806    2007
5   Dan Fouts    San Diego Chargers    4,802   1981
6   Dan Marino    Miami Dolphins            4,746   1986
7   D. Culpepper    Minnesota Vikings    4,717   2004
8   Dan Fouts    San Diego Chargers    4,715   1980
9   Warren Moon    Houston Oilers            4,690   1991
T10    Warren Moon    Houston Oilers            4,689   1990

To back up a fellow accountant:

The older names on the list are also predominately associated with early adopters of the West Coast Offense (Fouts, Montana), which became the de facto offensive scheme in the last 20 years. 


On Simms and Hostetler:  Both won Superbowls with one of the greatest defensive players ever....  whose position was also the biggest Achilles Heel of the West Coast Offense (blind side pass rusher).

[Sjofn]

Yeah, and their offense was pretty run-based. Which Ingmar never stops telling me was boring as hell to watch. Something about that grindy sort of offense pisses him off. 

[Hoax]

Yeah, and their offense was pretty run-based. Which Ingmar never stops telling me was boring as hell to watch. Something about that grindy sort of offense pisses him off. 

Yet he is playing dwarves in our bloodbowl league, fucking hypocrite.

[Sjofn]

That totally just made me laugh out loud. 

[Ingmar]

Based on my runners' fumble rates I probably should have named one Ahmad Bradshaw.

[Sjofn]

 You're such a bastard.

[El Gallo]

Trent Dilfer. 

Trent Dilfer is the most annoying argument against the "It's all about the QB" debate because he's the ONLY outlier. Most sports radio people treat his name with disdain when you bring it up because it's known, and it doesn't matter.

Their response is the same as mine, name another one.

Most sensible people treat 'sports radio people' with disdain.

[01101010]

Jesus christ did anyone catch the cnn article on the Raiders meeting?

Holyl fuck what the hell did Al Davis do to himself?

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/ann_killion/01/18/raiders.davis/index.html

I couldn't read the article for several minutes being stunned by the image.

[ghost]

Looks like he had a chemical or laser peel and possibly had some kind of lesions removed-  basal cell carcinoma or some precancerous type lesions.  He looks like he has spent a lot of time in the sun.

[naum]

I couldn't read the article for several minutes being stunned by the image.

Well, at least until further down in the article…

Cable was hired by the Seahawks precisely as Davis was vivisecting him. Which is a good thing, because it sounds like Cable is going to need some steady income.

Davis spoke of lawsuits against Cable: One brought by former assistant Randy Hanson, who claims Cable broke his jaw, others brought by women who have charged Cable with domestic abuse. In both cases, the Raiders were also named. Cable, in Davis' view, was putting the Raiders at legal risk.

He said he began fining Cable -- taking $20,000 out of his paycheck for six weeks -- as a form of legal insurance, "because we don't know what the final verdict will be in a lawsuit."

Davis also said that he disapproved of Cable bringing one of the women involved in a lawsuit on road trips with the team. Davis added that he was told one incident allegedly happened on a road trip.

I thought that was model behavior for a Raider…  

[WayAbvPar]

Sure glad he landed here...

[HaemishM]

With the number of bitches on the Seahawks O Line, I'm sure Cable's unique proclivities will come in handy. 

[Cyrrex]

With the number of bitches on the Seahawks O Line, I'm sure Cable's unique proclivities will come in handy. 

  That would be offensive if it wasn't also true.

[WayAbvPar]

There is going to be a shitton of turnover there. Spencer should be gone, hopefully Locklear will be gone, and whoever is playing RG this week as well. Left side will be Okung and Unger, then hopefully a free agent or two and a first day draft choice.

[Surlyboi]

Jesus christ did anyone catch the cnn article on the Raiders meeting?

Holyl fuck what the hell did Al Davis do to himself?

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/ann_killion/01/18/raiders.davis/index.html

I couldn't read the article for several minutes being stunned by the image.

Didn't you know he long ago became Mumm-Ra, the ever living?