NFL 2010

[ghost]

The NFL is generally populated by a bunch of thugs.  This isn't news. 

[Nebu]

NFL players do drugs.  So what.  As long as they do their job on Sunday, that's what they're getting paid for.

It wasn't just the Cowboys by the way.  They just get more press than most teams.

[Chimpy]

I was mainly just giving Paelos shit as he puts the Cowboys on a pedestal and treats the rest of the league like they are dirt under his fingernails.

I was also implying that just because one person on the Steelers did something, does not mean everyone on that team is the same.

[Nebu]

Speaking of the Steelers, how come Polamalu didn't make the NFL's Top 100 of all time?  The guy changes the flow of every game he's in.  He may very well be the most influential defensive back in the history of the NFL... and I don't even like the Steelers.

[DLRiley]

Speaking of the Steelers, how come Polamalu didn't make the NFL's Top 100 of all time?  The guy changes the flow of every game he's in.  He may very well be the most influential defensive back in the history of the NFL... and I don't even like the Steelers.

Fun times. Watched my sister a new england fan literrally cry when Palamalu wrecked the Patriots shit in the playoffs. It was glorious.

Football has two lessons, you either love the steelers or hate them at some point in your life.

[Triforcer]

As others have said, people like the Steelers because they have a combo of (1) that aura of blue-collar, 1950s football, and (2) are actually good.  Browns, Lions, maybe one or two other teams have (1) but not (2).

[Nebu]

As others have said, people like the Steelers because they have a combo of (1) that aura of blue-collar, 1950s football, and (2) are actually good.  Browns, Lions, maybe one or two other teams have (1) but not (2).

Green Bay has both but lack the fan base that the steelers have.  See also Chicago.  Being in a larger market than the midwest helps.  Dallas is an anomaly.  

[Paelos]

I was mainly just giving Paelos shit as he puts the Cowboys on a pedestal and treats the rest of the league like they are dirt under his fingernails.

Not the rest of the league, just everyone in the NFC East, the Steelers, the Pats, both of the divisions in the West, any team that plays in Florida, and the Bungles.

[Chimpy]

As others have said, people like the Steelers because they have a combo of (1) that aura of blue-collar, 1950s football, and (2) are actually good.  Browns, Lions, maybe one or two other teams have (1) but not (2).

Green Bay has both but lack the fan base that the steelers have.  See also Chicago.  Being in a larger market than the midwest helps.  Dallas is an anomaly.  

Green Bay has a pretty large national fan base. You will see a pretty large contingent of Packer fans at any away game who are from that locale. But Packers fans are generally not obnoxious wankers like Steeler fans :D

[Azuredream]

Speaking of the Steelers, how come Polamalu didn't make the NFL's Top 100 of all time?  The guy changes the flow of every game he's in.  He may very well be the most influential defensive back in the history of the NFL... and I don't even like the Steelers.

I agree he should've been on there, but Ronnie Lott and Deion Sanders are light years ahead of him for the title of "most influential DB in NFL history".

[ghost]

Green Bay has both but lack the fan base that the steelers have.  See also Chicago.  Being in a larger market than the midwest helps.  Dallas is an anomaly.  

Green Bay has a great fan base.  I see their shit all the time on cars in fucking Texas. 

And I would really like for someone to explain to me how Dallas became "America's Team".  My dad was a huge fan in the '80s, and I just don't get it.  Was it Tony Dorsett? 

[Triforcer]

GO BROWNS!

Could Colt McCoy be the answer?  2-1 against Pittsburgh, New Orleans, and NE is a fairly good start.  

Now, let's go for three upsets in a row against the Jets.  


EDIT:  Knowing Cleveland, they'll beat the Jets and then lose to the Bills, Panthers, and Jaguars 

[Trippy]

And I would really like for someone to explain to me how Dallas became "America's Team".  My dad was a huge fan in the '80s, and I just don't get it.  Was it Tony Dorsett? 

No it was Roger "The Dodger" Staubach. A.K.A. Captain America.

[Sjofn]

EDIT:  Knowing Cleveland, they'll beat the Jets and then lose to the Bills, Panthers, and Jaguars 

That's what I'm expecting!

[naum]

Steelers have lots of fans all over because (a) they sport the most Lombardi hardware and even considering AFC championship games — they've played in 14 since 1971 — that's over a 1/3 probability that they're within a game of SB champions and (b) Pittsburgh was a depressed city in late 70s to late 80s and a lot of fans who grew up rabid Steeler fans emigrated but took their passion to new cities, especially to the Sun Belt where jobs were at back then.

[Nevermore]

Oh Dallas.  You fill my heart with such joy this year. 

[Trippy]

[Paelos]

I want Mike Jenkins fired from our secondary. Tomorrow.

[Trippy]

[Sjofn]

Jesus Christ, that game is still going?!

[Zetleft]

I want Mike Jenkins fired from our secondary. Tomorrow.

3 games ago would have been fine by me.  But our entire secondary has been pretty horrible.... this wasn't news last year either the rest of the D just did their jobs well enough that we could recover from their blown coverages most games.  This year our linebackers have been absent and the D just spends too much time on the field due to shitty offensive playcalling and the abandonment of the run.

Changing coaches midseason will NOT help.  But it needs to be done anyway.  That would be the only bright spot on this day would be the news that the entire coaching staff has been sacked. 

[Paelos]

I don't care that Jenkins sucks. He quit on a play heading to the end-zone. He pulled up and stopped when he could have made a hit. It was so bad, the announcers pointed it out IN SLO-MO that he quit, then talked about how other people have been dismissed from teams for less.

Then Jenkins smiled back at the camera as it was on him. Fired. Tonight.

[ghost]

Changing coaches midseason will NOT help.  But it needs to be done anyway.  That would be the only bright spot on this day would be the news that the entire coaching staff has been sacked. 

Changing coaches midseason might help the Cowboys get the #1 draft pick.  Are you listening, Jerry Jones?

[naum]

I enjoyed watching the Cryboyz get slaughtered. And relish in the truth that they're an awful squad, destined for a pitiful season (though I hope not #1 draft pick destiny).

Funny, when the Raiders are posting poor records, I kind of feel awful and sorry for them, that I want them to be good so I can hate them as rivals. With the Cowboys, it's just pure joy to see them suffer.

Think it's because of the fairweather fan, bandwagon jumping and know-nothing proclamations about being "America's Team". In contrast to other teams like Steelers, Packers, Bears, Giants, where fans always show and are filled with passion, no matter the team's W-L.

[Bunk]

Well, at least the Coyboys made sure no one is talking about Seattle managing to go down 28 nothing in the first five minutes again.

[Nebu]

Changing coaches midseason might help the Cowboys get the #1 draft pick.  Are you listening, Jerry Jones?

It also might help them make a good selection with that pick.  Wade Phillips isn't much of a personnel person.

[ghost]

Wade Phillips isn't much of a personnel person.

Can we name something he is good at? 

Oh, Jerry Jones doesn't appear to be the best at personnel, either.  He's not the worst, but not great. 

[Paelos]

Think it's because of the fairweather fan, bandwagon jumping and know-nothing proclamations about being "America's Team". In contrast to other teams like Steelers, Packers, Bears, Giants, where fans always show and are filled with passion, no matter the team's W-L.

I understand the hate, and I understand how people love to jump all over us when we suck, but at least make solid points about the team. You have tons to pick from. However, the fans are fine, and they show up in droves. The Cowboys sell out every seat, every game, including standing room tickets, and are #2 in average home attendence in a down economy. Also, whereever they do on the road, the fans show up. They have the highest road attendence of any team in the league.

[naum]

Think it's because of the fairweather fan, bandwagon jumping and know-nothing proclamations about being "America's Team". In contrast to other teams like Steelers, Packers, Bears, Giants, where fans always show and are filled with passion, no matter the team's W-L.

I understand the hate, and I understand how people love to jump all over us when we suck, but at least make solid points about the team. You have tons to pick from. However, the fans are fine, and they show up in droves. The Cowboys sell out every seat, every game, including standing room tickets, and are #2 in average home attendence in a down economy. Also, whereever they do on the road, the fans show up. They have the highest road attendence of any team in the league.

No.

Back in the 80's and early 90s before they got good, they did not sell out. They've been good in the 90s and in 2000+. But their streak of sellouts starts in 1990. Contrast to the Steelers, who've had a sellout every game since the 70's. And they had some very bad teams in the late 80's/early 90's before Cowher replaced Noll, where fans still showed up week after week.

Yes, they sell the most merchandise, but that means squat as far as "true fans" go — I'm talking about fan passion. You can wear an opposing jersey in Dallas but try that at Steelers or Eagles or Giants home game, or worse, if you wish to take your life into your own hands, a Raiders game.

Even Cardinal games in Arizona — until the new stadium, 90% of fans sported Steeler jerseys at Arizona "home" dates (though it going to swing back as Arizonans leap off the Kurt Warner less bandwagon). Cowboys only experienced that during glory SB days of 1990s here, and for many, Dallas was Arizona's home NFL team, even after the Cardinals flew west from St. Louis.

[Paelos]

If you're going by that standard, you left out the Skins. They have sold out more consecutive than the Steelers. Also, they were horrible for most of that.

I see your point, but we're splitting hairs about passion when you're talking about teams that sell out for decades in a row. We're talking about the oldest, most decorated teams in the league between the Cowboys and the Steelers. We all know, the Cowboys continue to be the most watched, most hated, most prolific, most talked about team in the league. Good or bad, they own the airwaves, and they continue to have the fans to back it up, subjective opinions about "passion" aside.

[Chimpy]

The Cowboys one of the "oldest" teams in the NFL. Jesus you will do anything to prop up your team won't you?

Dallas was an expansion team in 1960.

[Paelos]

The Cowboys one of the "oldest" teams in the NFL. Jesus you will do anything to prop up your team won't you?

Dallas was an expansion team in 1960.

News flash, the NFL wasn't the NFL until the 60s. Nobody gives a shit about all the teams that were around, combined, folded, reopened, folded again, and combined again during the 40s and 50s. You could argue the NFL wasn't the NFL until 1970 when everything finally merged.

[Chimpy]

So the Pittsburgh Steelers, Green Bay Packers, Chicago Bears, and New York Giants are all teams no one cares about?

All of those teams have been in their same cities for decades longer than the Cowboys have been around at all.

Should we put in more conditions on what the "real NFL" is?

[Johny Cee]

If you're going by that standard, you left out the Skins. They have sold out more consecutive than the Steelers. Also, they were horrible for most of that.

I see your point, but we're splitting hairs about passion when you're talking about teams that sell out for decades in a row. We're talking about the oldest, most decorated teams in the league between the Cowboys and the Steelers. We all know, the Cowboys continue to be the most watched, most hated, most prolific, most talked about team in the league. Good or bad, they own the airwaves, and they continue to have the fans to back it up, subjective opinions about "passion" aside.

Paelos:

I don't think anyone is attacking die-hard Cowboy fans here.  It's just that, for football, the Cowboys tend to attract the most obnoxious of the band-wagoning asshole fans.  People who don't even follow football too closely when the Cowboys are bad show up and talk smack when they're good.  Since everyone thought the Cowboys were going to be a top team, those people got started early this year.

Every pro sport has a couple of those teams.  The Yankees used to be one of those teams in baseball (Yankees caps used to sprout like mushrooms whenever they had a good season or won the World Series) though not so much anymore it seems.  

[Paelos]

So the Pittsburgh Steelers, Green Bay Packers, Chicago Bears, and New York Giants are all teams no one cares about?

All of those teams have been in their same cities for decades longer than the Cowboys have been around at all.

Should we put in more conditions on what the "real NFL" is?

Steelers were renamed/created in 41, they had to merge with other teams to create such memorable teams as the Stealges, and Card-Pitt.

Are you fucking serious? A bunch of jerkoffs knocking around a football when the forward pass was a novelty and dodging WW2 doesn't mean it was the NFL anybody would recognize.