Sea Shepard guy's in Japanese prison lord, Japanese prison got him down

[Triforcer]

I can't find this on English language google anywhere, but my fiance in Japan said that EDIT: (A Sea Shepard guy, not Paul Watson) was caught sneaking onto a Japanese whaler, and hauled back to Tokyo where he was immediately arrested.  I'll put up a link when it starts showing up.

My normally ultra-shy fiance wanted his fucking blood.  They REALLY don't like these guys, and I'm curious whether they'll throw the book at him or give him probation for political reasons.  


EDIT:  It wasn't Watson, but another activist.  And apparently the arrest just happened now, and he's been on the ship for a month.

DOUBLE EDIT MUCH LATER:  Thought of a much better thread title.

[taolurker]

A link like this link?

[schild]

Why does this matter at all? Or even not matter given the forum you put it in?

[Triforcer]

Because those Sea Shepard guys are really douchey, even if you agree with them in theory.

[Nerf]

It wasn't Paul Watson, it was some other schmuck who thought he could perform a citizens arrest (at sea, lol) and hand over a 3 million dollar bill for the destruction of his ship after a collision with one of the whaling ships.

Fuck those crazy fuckers, although not for what they stand for - I could give a fuck about whalers or hippies who hate whalers, but for fucks sake at least be effective.  Throwing smelly shit at people who knee-deep in whale guts? Yeah, that's going to fucking work.  When the japs turned the water cannons and sonar on them I literally laughed out loud.  The indignation coming from those worthless fucks was great.  Every time I hear about the Sea Shepherds, I get absolutely giddy at the thought that the story will involve the whalers finally getting fed up enough to turn the harpoons on them.  You'd think even dumb hippies would be smart enough to not attack angry whalers wielding giant metal spear-cannons in inflatable boats.

[tazelbain]

Fuck You Whale!

Japanese are total douches on this issue so we get watch the douche battle play out.

[Lt.Dan]

I like how the world community is compelled to tell the Japanese to stop eating whale and yet be totally happy to fish tuna into near extinction to sell to the Japanese.

But then I'm totally uninformed on either issue.

[Merusk]

Dolphins are cute, therefore exempt from feeding us.  Whales are their aquatic cousins and exempt by association. Only evil and backwards bastards enjoy eating the cute animals. 

[LK]

When they kill that last whale, it'll be a global tragedy for a year, then life will go on and we'll find something new to fish into extinction, or start breeding whales in captivity, like cattle, because there's money to be made on selling their meat and products.

We are fuck stupid and greedy as a species, but we also adapt. We could fuck over and make extinct countless species, but we'll persist because we'll make the new ecological status quo work for us.

When they can remove animals from the generation of critical assets like food, clothing, etc., then anything that stays around after that does so at our fancy.

[schild]

Dolphins are cute, therefore exempt from feeding us.  Whales are their aquatic cousins and exempt by association. Only evil and backwards bastards enjoy eating the cute animals.  

Rabbit is delicious.

I like how the world community is compelled to tell the Japanese to stop eating whale and yet be totally happy to fish tuna into near extinction to sell to the Japanese.

But then I'm totally uninformed on either issue.

Apparently.

[LK]

Rabbit is delicious.

And plentiful!

[schild]

Rabbit is delicious.

And plentiful!

Cute, delicious, plentiful. A trifecta.

[Merusk]

Rabbit is delicious.

Way to prove my sarcastic assertion.

[stray]

I'd rather they lay off the whales, but hippies can't do shit. They think they're hard simply for being passionate (on any given issue).. same with Christians...    But some people will kick the shit out of them.

I don't really have a point... other than if you want to fight whalers, then get brutal. Unfortunately this is a catch 22 as the only people who give a shit to speak up are pussies, in practice.

[Sheepherder]

Along with Norway, Peru and the USSR, Japan lodged an objection to the whaling moratorium, which any IWC member was entitled to do, exempting themselves from the decision. It is on that basis that Norwegian whaling continues today

...

The Packwood-Magnuson Amendment allowed Washington to cut the fishing quotas in US waters of any country which it felt was undermining an international conservation agreement; under the Pelly Amendment, it could impose trade sanctions on any offending nation. Fishing quotas were hugely important to Japan. Its boats were catching more than a million tonnes of fish per year in US waters, mainly off the Alaskan coast. The New York Times of 1983 priced the catch at $425m annually, well beyond the value of Japan's whaling. At the end of 1984, a coalition of environmental groups initiated a lawsuit aimed at forcing Ronald Reagan's administration to invoke Packwood-Magnuson and Pelly against Japan. But in bilateral discussions, the two governments reached an agreement. Japan would cease whaling in 1988, two years beyond the moratorium date, and withdraw its objection; in return, Ronald Reagan's administration agreed not to take action under Packwood-Magnuson or Pelly. Again, it seemed that an end to Japanese whaling was in sight. However, the court action continued, the NGOs claiming the administration had no right to make a deal with Japan. Eventually, in June 1986, the Supreme Court ruled in favour of the administration. The deal, apparently, was sealed; in return for keeping its fishing nets full, Japan would hang up its harpoons for good. The next month, Japan formally withdrew its objection to the whaling moratorium.

...

In a bid to develop their own industry, US fishermen were pushing for the removal of foreign access to US waters. They were aided by a coalition of 14 NGOs led by Greenpeace who went to court against Japan, claiming its fishing methods harmed porpoises, seals and birds. The Japanese quota plummeted. From 900,000 tonnes in 1985, it halved in 1986, then fell to 104,000 tonnes the following year. In 1988, the quota was zero; an estimated 130 Japanese fishing boats had nothing to catch.

BBC

When they kill that last whale, it'll be a global tragedy for a year, then life will go on and we'll find something new to fish into extinction, or start breeding whales in captivity, like cattle, because there's money to be made on selling their meat and products.

The most commonly killed species is the Minke, which isn't endangered by any standard.  This is entirely about hippies being fucking stupid, and Japan telling to the rest of the world that it can fuck itself if it's not willing to keep it's end of the bargain.

[Xuri]

It's great to see Japan taking all the heat for whale hunting. Meanwhile, in Norway, we can continue to kill our whales for fun without interruption!

[Tebonas]

I agree, don't throw smelly things at the whalers, use torpedos to sink them. Yes, people will die. But its not like humans are an endangered species.

But then I'm a fucking commie hippie. I don't even eat tuna anymore because its endangered.

[Sheepherder]

I agree, don't throw smelly things at the whalers, use torpedos to sink them. Yes, people will die. But its not like humans are an endangered species.

Do you have any fucking clue how much fuel oil these factory ships carry?

Also, save a tuna: eat a seal.

[NowhereMan]

How could you eat something so adorable?

[Sir T]

Seals eat penguins

[Sky]

Easy solution: kill and eat hippies.

[Teleku]

I like how the world community is compelled to tell the Japanese to stop eating whale and yet be totally happy to fish tuna into near extinction to sell to the Japanese.

But then I'm totally uninformed on either issue.

Ahem.

Anyways, the issue is pretty funny.  The hippies are fucking insane, and I seriously don't know why the Japanese aren't allowed to just fire back at them with automatic weapons when attacked at sea.  International waters, defending themselves against piracy!  As mentioned, the moral outrage these people have, and the rights they think they have concerning vandalize and assault, is staggering.  Any harm that comes to them makes me laugh.  Especially since this is all over the Japanese killing a little over 100 Minke whales a year, which are very plentiful and no where near endangered.

However, its also hilarious how insane the Japanese are about killing the god damn whales despite everybody abroad and AT HOME not wanting them to.  Whale meat isn't popular in Japan, no matter what the government says.  There are a few places where they can sell it reliably, but when ever any super market tries to offer it, almost nobody buys it.  A lot of the meat they take in isn't used.  Also, the Minke whale, which is what they kill, tends to contain high amounts of mercury, making it potentially dangerous to eat (especially in large amounts).  They could stop doing this and almost nobody in Japan would notice.  They don't make any profit from it.  They appear to just want to kill the whales to show they can, since everybody is telling them not to.  National pride and all that.

[Slayerik]

I call the show Fail Wars and watch it purely for the stupid fuckin' look on Watson's face as they once again fuck up and achieve nothing. The greatest moment on the show is when they are pulling in the dead whale and there is shit they can do about it. I mean, whales are cool and stuff but the Sea Shepards are laughable.

[Cyrrex]

Mankind typically has no problem killing and eating cute animals.  We do that all the time.  Rather, we seem to have issues with killing smart animals.  I've heard it said that if the average person knew how intelligent pigs were, then the market for pork would almost disappear.  But then I think about how some of you froth about bacon, and am forced to wonder 

Whaling fucking sucks, but I've no feelings to spare for these dumb ass hippies who get their shit busted up trying to stop them.

[Amarr HM]

Eradicating a whole species, especially one as fucking awesome as a whale, is totally retarded.

[Fordel]

Teleku mentioned the part I don't really understand. No one actually likes whale meat, it's pretty much disgusting in every regard. No one wants to actually eat it.

[Amarr HM]

They could stop doing this and almost nobody in Japan would notice.  They don't make any profit from it.  They appear to just want to kill the whales to show they can, since everybody is telling them not to.  National pride and all that.

[01101010]

Eradicating a whole species, especially one as fucking awesome as a whale, is totally retarded.

Some would even say, illogical. 

[Slayerik]

If whales are so smart, why don't they grow gills?

[01101010]

If whales are so smart, why don't they grow gills?

Well, for one, they'd be too OP. Second, we'd never see them again since the only times they get shanked is up at the surface.

[Oban]

Thank god no one gives a damn about Octopuses.

[Signe]

Thank god no one gives a damn about Octopuses.

That's because squid is yummier.

[KallDrexx]

Damn, I looked at this thread hoping it was about the captain.

[Musashi]

He's too big a fat pussy to put himself in any jeopardy whatsoever.

[Slayerik]

He's too big a fat pussy to put himself in any jeopardy whatsoever.

Dude, he did RAM A FUCKING WHALER AT SEA. Okay, he probably just fails at navigation but still....that takes some cojones. As well as plowing through ice in a non-reinforced ship. Maybe he's just stupid.

He's a douchebag, but I wouldn't go with big fat pussy.