Girl Killed in Wii remote Mix Up

[Sir T]

 
http://uk.videogames.games.yahoo.com/blog/article/8388/

A girl has been killed after picking up a loaded gun, apparently mistaking it for a Wii Remote gun-style controller.

Three year-old Cheyenne Alexis McKeehan from Wilson County Tennessee died from a single self-inflicted shot to the abdomen from a .380 calibre semi-automatic pistol. The loaded firearm had been left on the coffee table in the living room of the girl’s house, after her stepfather thought he had heard a prowler outside.

According to the child’s mother, Cheyenne had been playing a Wii game that uses a gun peripheral - not one manufactured or approved by Nintendo (seen in the picture, underneath the handgun used in the shooting) - shortly before the accident occurred. The youngster was rushed to hospital but was pronounced dead on arrival.

Wilson County Sheriff Terry Ashe is investigating the case, although has not yet brought any charges relating to this tragic incident.

Just bolded a couple of parts that were especially 

[NowhereMan]

That Wii controller is fucking ridiculous. Also loaded gun left on table Fucking hell, I can never relate to these firearms stories. The whole idea of having loaded weapons about the house is just

[Khaldun]

That's so bad that you almost wonder if the stepfather was hoping the girl would kill herself. This is one of those stories that just leaves me feeling utterly bleak about everything.

[Lakov_Sanite]

Rednecks

[Nebu]

Stepfather needs to go to jail for something.  Leaving a handgun lying around is pretty damn irresponsible.

[Mrbloodworth]

That can't be a right out of the box WII gun adapter. It must have been painted and or modified. Quite sure we have laws here requiring the orange tip and requirement to be very different than real in shape.

But yeah, the real issue here is the loaded, most assuredly cocked handgun within a 3 year olds reach.

[Sir T]

That can't be a right out of the box WII gun adapter. It must have been painted and or modified. Quite sure we have laws here requiring the orange tip and requirement to be very different than real in shape.

It wasn't

Cheyenne had been playing a Wii game that uses a gun peripheral - not one manufactured or approved by Nintendo

[Mrbloodworth]

Yeah, I didn't read the article linked in this thread, there are a number of sites posting any Wii gun remote they can find with this, basically same worded story (Sans no Nintendo part).

Part of my point was, you can't even buy a fake gun like that that has to be a home brew. This reminds me of the whole lazer tag accident, the main reason we have such rules about fake guns.

[Threash]

So the guy hears a prowler outside and leaves the gun on the table? wtf isn't that like a gun nuts dream scenario were they can actually justify having a gun around?

[NowhereMan]

Sounds like he got the gun out cause he thought there was a prowler, checked and couldn't find anyone so left he loaded gun on the table to go do something else.

[Grimwell]

Stepfather needs to go to jail for something.  Leaving a handgun lying around is pretty damn irresponsible.

This.

All of my firearms are locked up safely where the kids can't just grab them. This guy is an idiot and needs some jail time to help rehabilitate him.

[EWSpider]

Jail time?  He should be shot in the abdomen.

[Malakili]

Stepfather needs to go to jail for something.  Leaving a handgun lying around is pretty damn irresponsible.

This.

All of my firearms are locked up safely where the kids can't just grab them. This guy is an idiot and needs some jail time to help rehabilitate him.

Yeah, because our prison system has such an excellent track record of rehabilitating people.

I mean, lets just be honest, if he goes to jail for this, its purely for punishment, not for rehab.  Not that he doesn't deserve punishment, just making a point.  Also, the Wii remote thing here seems almost irrelevant, leaving a loaded gun on a table around a 3 year old isn't going to end well regardless of if the modified Wii remote had been around.

[Sky]

Also, the Wii remote thing here seems almost irrelevant, leaving a loaded gun on a table around a 3 year old isn't going to end well regardless of if the modified Wii remote had been around.

I bet Ozzy and Marilyn Manson left the gun there while they were playing video games during a break from their D&D campaign.

[Lantyssa]

Sounds like he got the gun out cause he thought there was a prowler, checked and couldn't find anyone so left he loaded gun on the table to go do something else.

Yeah.  The first thing you do is unload it and put it back before going back to whatever was oh-so-important.  Geezus.  How can people do this?

[01101010]

Sounds like he got the gun out cause he thought there was a prowler, checked and couldn't find anyone so left he loaded gun on the table to go do something else.

Yeah.  The first thing you do is unload it and put it back before going back to whatever was oh-so-important.  Geezus.  How can people do this?

Assuming he was not drunk or high as a kite and hallucinating a prowler, then passing/blacking out for a brief moment, then forgetting wtf he was doing on the couch and hauling ass back to bed. Not excusing this, but I have had nights like this...sans loaded weapon save for a stack of Ritz crackers.

[Mrbloodworth]

It had to have been more than just loaded, I dont think a three year old could pull the hammer back.

[MahrinSkel]

You don't cock that style of automatic, if it's loaded, it's cocked.

--Dave

[Mrbloodworth]

You don't cock that style of automatic, if it's loaded, it's cocked.

--Dave

No pull the top back fancyness?

[Lantyssa]

That's loaded.  One in the chamber.  All she had to do was pull the trigger.

[Nebu]

Yeah, because our prison system has such an excellent track record of rehabilitating people.

I mean, lets just be honest, if he goes to jail for this, its purely for punishment, not for rehab.  Not that he doesn't deserve punishment, just making a point.  Also, the Wii remote thing here seems almost irrelevant, leaving a loaded gun on a table around a 3 year old isn't going to end well regardless of if the modified Wii remote had been around.

I assumed that charging him with a felony would decrease the likelihood of him ever legally carrying a handgun.  Bad assumption?   

Do we let felons legally own handguns in this country?  I'm afraid to know the answer.

[Lantyssa]

No we don't.  It is illegal for them to do so.

[Ironwood]

You know what ?  I'm not even fucking interested in the ifs ands and buts in this story.  I don't even care to talk about.  It's just fucking sad.

 

[Korachia]

So the guy hears a prowler outside and leaves the gun on the table? wtf isn't that like a gun nuts dream scenario were they can actually justify having a gun around?

He properly decided to use the full automatic m16 for such a special occasion. 

[Nerf]

So the guy hears a prowler outside and leaves the gun on the table? wtf isn't that like a gun nuts dream scenario were they can actually justify having a gun around?

He properly decided to use the full automatic m16 for such a special occasion. 

Someone dumb enough to leave a gun lying around with a kid in the house more than likely can't afford the $20k a full auto m16 would set him back.  Theres really no excuse for this shit.  He'll more than likely be charged with a few felonies, depending on the local laws - he's probably looking at some sort of felony negligence in the best case, and several 'guns and children' charges if his state has them on the books.

[Bzalthek]

This is Tennessee.  I live here.  He'll probably be court ordered to breed a few more crotchmuppets to make up for it.

[Sheepherder]

No pull the top back fancyness?

Chambering a cartridge and cocking the hammer is often the same motion in an automatic / semi-automatic.

Open bolt guns also manage to kill people frequently.  Because, you know, a gun with it's bolt open is obviously incapable of firing, amirite?

Someone dumb enough to leave a gun lying around with a kid in the house more than likely can't afford the $20k a full auto m16 would set him back.

And would be dumb enough to fuck around with bump firing or filing down their sear until it has a slippage problem (How retard proofed is the civilian AR-15?)

I've heard of a lot of mouthbreathing retarded motherfuckers do this with shitty Wal-Mart paintball guns figuring it's going to be great until they realize the thing cycles 30-40 times a second, while their gravity feed loader is capable of 12.  Then, instead of jamming their gun just slices through the paintballs and sprays the reeking shit all over the inside of their receiver, barrel, and loader before it recocks, half-feeds another ball, and then said retard realizes that the mechanical stresses on the sear has further damaged it and now he can't stop the thing from shooting at all until after the (CO2) tank is empty.  In the process every seal in the tank and lower tube of the gun is irreparably damaged, and to top it all off they occasionally touch the now searing fucking cold tank just to add injury to insult.

[Signe]

I can't read a sentence that long.  It makes my tired old brain hurt!

[Sheepherder]

I punctuated my rant better.  I should get some youtube videos too, paintball guns are cool to tinker with if you're not retarded.

[Nerf]

No pull the top back fancyness?

Chambering a cartridge and cocking the hammer is often the same motion in an automatic / semi-automatic.

Open bolt guns also manage to kill people frequently.  Because, you know, a gun with it's bolt open is obviously incapable of firing, amirite?

Someone dumb enough to leave a gun lying around with a kid in the house more than likely can't afford the $20k a full auto m16 would set him back.

And would be dumb enough to fuck around with bump firing or filing down their sear until it has a slippage problem (How retard proofed is the civilian AR-15?)

I've heard of a lot of mouthbreathing retarded motherfuckers do this with shitty Wal-Mart paintball guns figuring it's going to be great until they realize the thing cycles 30-40 times a second, while their gravity feed loader is capable of 12, and instead of jamming their gun just slices through the paintballs and sprays the reeking shit all over the inside of their receiver, barrel, and loader before it recocks, half-feeds another ball, and then said retard realizes that the mechanical stresses on the sear has further damaged it and now he can't stop the thing from shooting at all until after the (CO2) tank is empty, every seal in the tank and lower tube of the gun is irreparably damaged, and to top it all off they occasionally touch the now searing fucking cold tank just to add injury to insult.

Dude, I don't even know where to start with this, and I'm not sirbrucing you, but ugh, here it goes.

1) Bumpfiring doesn't do shit to the rifle, it's just pulling the trigger really fast with a little help from newton.

2) Filing down the sear of an ar-15 will render your rifle inop really, really fucking quick.  Which is a good thing if you're dumb enough to try it.  It takes serious machining, a full auto fire control group and an entirely different sear (called an autosear) to turn a civilian ar15 into an actual assault rifle.  Getting caught with a single one of the parts needed to do this conversion without even owning a rifle is enough to get you sent to prison for 10 to 20 years and stripped of your right to own firearms for life as a felon.

3) 30-40 bpm on a paintball marker isn't out of line, thats about what tournament markers shoot.  Check out the Halo hoppers, they were feeding 35 bpm or so when I used to play competitively, and that was about 8 years ago.  No one really uses CO2 either unless they are rank amateurs, high pressure air gets you a lot more shots between refills and far greater consistency as it depletes.

On the chambering/cocking bit, it depends entirely on the handgun.  Some are double action only and have an internal hammer, some are single action/double action (meaning you can pre-cock the hammer or leave it decocked and a much stronger two-stage trigger pull is required to fire the first round)

Theres only a few open bolt guns made as well, and there really aren't a whole lot of uzi-related deaths these days.  But uh, guns are  scary I suppose.

[Sheepherder]

I am Sirbrucing you.

1) Bumpfiring doesn't do shit to the rifle, it's just pulling the trigger really fast with a little help from newton.

2) Filing down the sear of an ar-15 will render your rifle inop really, really fucking quick.  Which is a good thing if you're dumb enough to try it.  It takes serious machining, a full auto fire control group and an entirely different sear (called an autosear) to turn a civilian ar15 into an actual assault rifle.  Getting caught with a single one of the parts needed to do this conversion without even owning a rifle is enough to get you sent to prison for 10 to 20 years and stripped of your right to own firearms for life as a felon.

But will it get the slippage and repeated firing?  Telling people it will fuck the gun up doesn't stop them from being fucking stupid if they think there is something to gain from it.

3) 30-40 bpm on a paintball marker isn't out of line, thats about what tournament markers shoot.  Check out the Halo hoppers, they were feeding 35 bpm or so when I used to play competitively, and that was about 8 years ago.  No one really uses CO2 either unless they are rank amateurs, high pressure air gets you a lot more shots between refills and far greater consistency as it depletes.

1. Current PSP rate of fire cap is 15.  20 is extremely fast unless you're abusing switch bounce or ramping firing modes.
2. Halo claims 35, on a gun it usually registers ~33.
3. People who actually care to buy HPA and a tournament marker generally don't fuck with sear mods because their guns don't have sears.  This is your $150 Wal-Mart package in the woods, crank up the velocity crowd.

Theres only a few open bolt guns made as well, and there really aren't a whole lot of uzi-related deaths these days.  But uh, guns are  scary I suppose.

I've seen a number of semi-auto .22's with an open bolt action.

[Nerf]

But will it get the slippage and repeated firing?  Telling people it will fuck the gun up doesn't stop them from being fucking stupid if they think there is something to gain from it.

The rest doesn't really matter, and I don't want to get in an argument over stupid people and open-bolt .22s.  Taking a dremel or file to a civilian ar-15 sear will never do anything but stop the weapon from firing.  Autosears have a completely different design.

Aside from that, let's assume for a second that you *could* theoretically file down the sear to get it to fire bursts randomly.  Without a properly functioning sear, you've got a very, very good chance the weapon is going to slamfire and fire out of battery.  Firing out of a battery is a great way to have chunks of hot metal embedded in the squishy bits of your face.  If someone wanted to convert a weapon to fire F/A easily and in an unsafe manner, all they would need to do is buy an SKS and put the bolt in upside down.  Viola, you now have a F/A, yet very explodey rifle.

Unless you're actually a machinist, there is no 'simple' way to convert any civilian weapons to safely and/or consistently fire anything other than a single shot.  And by simple, I mean milling a part out of a chunk of aluminum.  A part that even possessing the plans to while owning an AR-15 is considered constructive intent by the ATF and will land you a stint in federal pound-me-in-the-ass prison.

A Class III Mac-10 is a hell of a lot cheaper and easier to get your hands on than illegally modifying a rifle, and as a bonus it's much cheaper to feed.  It's really a moot point though, full auto guns have only ever been used in a couple crimes, using weapons smuggled into the US, and aren't nearly as dangerous as a trained marksman actually aiming.

[Grimwell]

This guy is an idiot and needs some jail time to help rehabilitate him.

Yeah, because our prison system has such an excellent track record of rehabilitating people.

That part was my sarcasm leaking out... sorry.

[Sheepherder]

Aside from that, let's assume for a second that you *could* theoretically file down the sear to get it to fire bursts randomly.  Without a properly functioning sear, you've got a very, very good chance the weapon is going to slamfire and fire out of battery.

Yes, which is why it's stupid.  It does, however, work frequently with open bolt guns until the sear craps out fully and empties the entire clip.  I suspect there are S/A rifles capable of simple modifications resulting in automatic fire, but apparently the AR-15 is not one of them because Armalite deliberately designed it to not do that.

Also, milling a piece of metal is not as hard as you make it sound.

Also, I missed this the first time: bump firing is fucking stupid.  Seriously, you are a retard if you try it.

[Amarr HM]

What I find weird is that the kid shot herself, surely this kind of reverse underarm shooting would be quite a tricky maneuver for a three year old to pull off on first attempt? Or maybe it would be easier for them that way? anyway shame she didn't accidentally shoot the dad.