Like drinking soda? Think again...

[Tannhauser]

I quit drinking all sodas about nine months ago and don't miss it.  I do drink a lot of sugary fruit drinks though because OJ and milk can bother my stomach.  Haven't lost any weight and I feel about the same so haven't seen any benefits from it. 

[Sky]

...even “not from concentrate” orange juice is heated, stripped of flavor, stored for up to a year, and then reflavored before it is packaged and sold.

Buy local. I don't drink orange juice much, but I drink a lot of apple juice and cider in the autumn, from the local orchards. Another one of those arguments in favor of seasons (from the snow picture discussion). Even if you could get fresh apple products around the year, it wouldn't be as special. The crisp autumn air, smell of gently decaying leaves, a nice warm mug of cider.

[stray]

I quit drinking all sodas about nine months ago and don't miss it.  I do drink a lot of sugary fruit drinks though because OJ and milk can bother my stomach.  Haven't lost any weight and I feel about the same so haven't seen any benefits from it.  

You'd definitely see a loss of weight cutting the juice too... um if that was your goal. Some of them have as much sugar as soda. One of the easiest ways to make an improvement though, since natural less sugary alternatives taste better anyways. No real effort required on your part except better shopping skillz. 


Heh not sure if I'm coming off as preachy now. Never been fat exactly... but in my early 20's, I was about 50 lbs heavier, and I'm sure a lot of it had to do with soda. sugary stuff, and fast food.

[Nerf]

This thread makes me want to buy a juicer.

[Nebu]

I thought Nebu might have enjoyed discussing some of the points of the article. 

Discussing?  Yes, I'd be happy to.  I'm a medicinal chemist with clinical expertise in heme/onc.  If you have something to discuss along those lines I'd be happy to.  I have no interest in debating the statistical merit of this paper.  I just found it interesting that a group moved a step closer to understanding some relationships/links between diet and cancer.   

On another note: I once had a nutritional expert tell me that I should never drink my fruit.  You miss out on a lot of nutritional components that drinking juice bypasses.  I'm still terrible about drinking too many diet sodas, but I'm working on drinking more water.  I hope to drink nothing but water & tea eventually.  I just allow myself one vice and lately it has been diet coke. 

[ezrast]

Oh yeah. Juice as a substitute for soda is a step up, juice as a substitute for fruit is doing it wrong. Tons of nutrients in the pulp you miss out on and the blood sugar spike/crash from easily-absorbed juice doesn't compare to the steady release of energy from actual digestion.

Or something. I'm not a dietitian.

[01101010]

Bottom line: Soda is cheaper - in convenience and $ for the amount you get.

[Mrbloodworth]

Do they make a distinction between sugar and HFCS? Or is that irrelevant in this case? I would also like to know if they made a distinction between fruit juice (100% not from concentrate) and or "Juice drinks" (Typically from concentrate, 10% juice and a ton of HFCS or sugar water)

Note for all the people drinking "Fresh, not concentrate" juice: it's not fresh in any sense of the word that you would recognize.

...even “not from concentrate” orange juice is heated, stripped of flavor, stored for up to a year, and then reflavored before it is packaged and sold.

Yes, I was aware of the pasteurization, side effect of that is "loss of flavor". The rest, I dont know. All I know is I look for the LEAST processed stuff I can find. Typically "Not from concentrate" also means that it lacks non-fruit sugar and other additives, but I also make sure I look at the content of juice, as in the %. This is why I made the distinction in my original post. I would hope that ANY shopper of juice knows what a "Juice drink" is, and how it differs from "100% juice" and "not from concentrate", I happen to look for the combined "100% not from concentrate".


Also, I am over weight, but only by about 10 pounds, so I don't know about the fatty comment.

[Signe]

Bottom line: Soda is cheaper - in convenience and $ for the amount you get.

Not in Philadelphia, soon.  Evidently, there will be a really significant tax on soft drinks that will add about 2 cents an ounce.  So tack on about $2.88 to your twelve pack which brings it up to almost $8.50.  So, a twelve pack of Coke, a pack of cigs and a pizza will probably cost you over $25.  Oh, and they're raising the trash removal rates quite a bit, too, so it'll cost you more to have the rubbish you create from it taken away.  That's a pricey Saturday night treat!

On the plus size (no pun intended), a full fifty percent of the children in Philadelphia are considered to be obese and this might do something to help in that respect.  Maybe.  I don't know. 

[Sky]

Diet Coke at walmart used to run about 6.50 a two-four, now it's almost 9 bucks...without any new tax. Getting to be almost as expensive as beer!

[01101010]

Bottom line: Soda is cheaper - in convenience and $ for the amount you get.

Not in Philadelphia, soon.  Evidently, there will be a really significant tax on soft drinks that will add about 2 cents an ounce.  So tack on about $2.88 to your twelve pack which brings it up to almost $8.50.  So, a twelve pack of Coke, a pack of cigs and a pizza will probably cost you over $25.  Oh, and they're raising the trash removal rates quite a bit, too, so it'll cost you more to have the rubbish you create from it taken away.  That's a pricey Saturday night treat!

On the plus size (no pun intended), a full fifty percent of the children in Philadelphia are considered to be obese and this might do something to help in that respect.  Maybe.  I don't know. 

I did hear about that. Problem isn't so much the grocery store offerings but the vending machines and the "end of the aisle" fridges in box stores. The grab and go stuff tends to favor soda greatly. No matter the ins and outs, I buy whatever is cheapest in the morning quick stop at the gas station - this week and last it has been Lipton tea - 32oz for 99 cent. I got a whole list of shit I am dying from and soda is not even on the board.

[Nebu]

Diet Coke at walmart used to run about 6.50 a two-four, now it's almost 9 bucks...without any new tax. Getting to be almost as expensive as beer!

I think that WalMart may have entered into some kind of agreement with Pepsico to raise the price fo coke products.  If you go to target, Coke products are much cheaper. 

[Lightstalker]

Diet Coke at walmart used to run about 6.50 a two-four, now it's almost 9 bucks...without any new tax. Getting to be almost as expensive as beer!

I think that WalMart may have entered into some kind of agreement with Pepsico to raise the price fo coke products.  If you go to target, Coke products are much cheaper. 

Costco stopped carrying Coke products for a few weeks because Coke was unwilling to allow Costco to sell at their desired price.  If there is price pressure it is probably coming from the supplier side and not the retailer (and certainly not competitor supplier).  Coke eventually caved (presumably, given the tone of the post-spat analysis) and their products are on shelves again.  Coke and Pepsi will enter into exclusivity contracts, for instance on college campuses, and will aggressively eliminate competitor vending but that doesn't typically extend to large retail stores.

Any pressure from Pepsi with respect to Coke would be to eliminate the other from shelves entirely.  Mutual price setting sounds anti-competative and illegal, actually.

[Rasix]

It was a dark, dark day when UofA went Pepsi only.

[Teleku]

It was a glorious day when SDSU went from having Coke exclusively to carrying Pepsi exclusivly.  Unfortunatly, that day was the year right after I graduated.   

[Tannhauser]

Ok I checked. I drink Juicy Juice and it claims to have no sugar. 

[Samwise]

Ok I checked. I drink Juicy Juice and it claims to have no sugar. 

No added refined sugar, but fruit juice on its own has a good amount of natural sugar that isn't necessarily good for you in massive quantities.

[Sheepherder]

Yes, I was aware of the pasteurization, side effect of that is "loss of flavor". The rest, I dont know. All I know is I look for the LEAST processed stuff I can find. Typically "Not from concentrate" also means that it lacks non-fruit sugar and other additives, but I also make sure I look at the content of juice, as in the %. This is why I made the distinction in my original post. I would hope that ANY shopper of juice knows what a "Juice drink" is, and how it differs from "100% juice" and "not from concentrate", I happen to look for the combined "100% not from concentrate".

Oranges have a limited growing season, and because there is demand for juice year round, an unspecified quantity of juice (some or potentially all) is deaerated  and then stored for future packaging in chilled tanks to preserve quality. The aseptic tanks protect the juice from oxygen and light and hold the liquid at optimal temperatures just above freezing to maintain nutrition. It has been reported that deaerated juice no longer tastes like oranges, and must be supplemented with flavor packs before consumption which are derived from orange oils and Ethyl butyrate (ethanol and butyric acid). Tropicana also uses small quantities of high-quality orange juice from Brazil to supplement the Florida crop.

You're not as savvy as you think you are.  If it's liquid juice and not local it has additives, they're just not listed, because they're "100% Juice, not from concentrate," by virtue of the additives being manufactured from the remains of the juicing process, or by being mixed with another batch of juice which is then mixed with the original, allowing them to get away with calling it disingenuous shit in the ingredients list.

[LK]

Either get anal about every little thing you put into your body and how it's bad for you, or you stop worrying about it and do portion control and regulation of what you eat and drink to lead a healthy life.

I can't begin to tell you how impacted my quality of life would be if I gave into the anxiety I feel about how everything I eat could be bad for me.

[stray]

It's not good to be anal, you're right. But simply trying to be normal and fairly natural can appear anal to many people too (in the US at least) - when the truth is that the surrounding culture is in the extreme. Like, for example, if you tagged along with friends at a fast food restaurant, and decided to order nothing.. you might get a question or two about it. But the truth is, everything on the menu is pretty shitty, and you're not being anal for not wanting any of it (note, i'm not this way myself.. i can at least find a couple of things at these places.. but i don't blame anyone who can't).

[sigil]

It was a dark, dark day when UofA went Pepsi only.

What the FUCK?

When?!?

[Mrbloodworth]

You're not as savvy as you think you are. 

I know I am making the best choice with my current options. That's all that matters.

[Rasix]

It was a dark, dark day when UofA went Pepsi only.

What the FUCK?

When?!?

Arizona.  Not Alabama.  Don't worry, you're probably safe.

[Sheepherder]

Ok I checked. I drink Juicy Juice and it claims to have no sugar.

2. What makes Juicy Juice 100% juice?

Regulations allow for the addition of non-juice ingredients to a 100% juice product if they do not decrease the amount of juice soluble solids.

Link

I know I am making the best choice with my current options. That's all that matters.

You could try drinking beer with your Cheerios?

[Nebu]

Arizona.  Not Alabama.  Don't worry, you're probably safe.

Same confusion as UW, UT, U of M, etc.  Those things all have very different meanings depending on who you are.  I graduated from the U of M and hate it when people ask "Michigan?".  Minnesota is the 2nd or third largest university in the country for god's sake.  Then again, the UW I refer to is in Madison, not Seattle. 

[Sjofn]

...even “not from concentrate” orange juice is heated, stripped of flavor, stored for up to a year, and then reflavored before it is packaged and sold.

Buy local. I don't drink orange juice much, but I drink a lot of apple juice and cider in the autumn, from the local orchards. Another one of those arguments in favor of seasons (from the snow picture discussion). Even if you could get fresh apple products around the year, it wouldn't be as special. The crisp autumn air, smell of gently decaying leaves, a nice warm mug of cider.

I miss seasons SO BAD and that is totally one of the reasons. Ingmar does not understand me on this. :(

[Signe]

I grew up with very distinct seasons, too, and when I live somewhere that doesn't have them - or at least not the four very different ones - I reluctantly admit that I miss them, too.  Of course, when I do have them (like now), I mostly complain about them.

[01101010]

I grew up with very distinct seasons, too, and when I live somewhere that doesn't have them - or at least not the four very different ones - I reluctantly admit that I miss them, too.  Of course, when I do have them (like now), I mostly complain about them.

My thoughts exactly...(literally)

[Nebu]

I went from living in the Rockies (at 7500 feet where it snowed in July) to the deep south.  While I miss having the mountains nearby to hike and ski in, I do not miss the weather.  Having 60 degree weather to jog in during the month of January was awesome as is being able to golf every month of the year.  You can have your 4 seasons.  Growing up in Minneapolis cured me of winter forever. 

[Sky]

Of course, when I do have them (like now), I mostly complain about them.

Most people do. I don't get it, if you hate cold winters, we have a massive country. You wouldn't even need to learn a new language like if you moved to Scotland.

Nebu, why jog when you can slap on the x-country skis :)

[Signe]

When we moved from Britain, we came to this bit of the country because it's the only bit where I have family.  I grew up with very harsh winters, and I also lived in the Rockies for several years and loved it, especially when I was an avid skier.  When we move again, it will be somewhere with more moderate weather, I hope.  Like Nebu, I'm not really so interested in cold, snowy winters anymore.  Since my dad died last year, I have less reason to be in this area as my sister and her family are capable of traveling to visit, which wasn't the case with my father.  People have all sorts of reasons for living where they live and, unfortunately, it's not always because that's where they want to be. 

[Cyrrex]

I currently live in the Chicago area, and can't help but marvel at the fact that 8 million other people have chosen to make this place their home.  I mean, the city itself is nice and at least half of the year is pretty nice in terms of weather...but the winter just sucks complete ass.  It's like we're trying to re-experience the ice age, or something.

[Samwise]

I live in the Bay Area in large part because I think harsh seasons are for suckers.  Snow is nice to visit, but I'm glad I never have to drive on it on my way to work.  And any temperature above 80 can just fuck right off, especially if it's humid on top of that.

Spring and fall are the best seasons, and they're pretty much the same everywhere anyway.

[Cyrrex]

To be honest, I don't think it's the odd driving through the snow that is annoying.  Rather, it's the months upon months of freezing ass cold and snow on the ground.  This winter seems to have been far warmer than the last two, but even so, there has been snow on the ground since basically Christmas.  It gets old.

[Sky]

 And any temperature above 80 can just fuck right off, especially if it's humid on top of that.

I agree with that one, anyway. I usually don't use air conditioning, but once it gets over 85 and humid I just die.

Driving in the snow is one of my favorite things to do :) I've actually been bummed out this winter because there hasn't been much need for my snowblower. I've only done the roof once, and I didn't really need to. I just love being outside working when there's a nice snow storm with a strong wind. To me, that's as nice as a sunny midsummer day about 75 or a cool evening breeze after a hot day. I enjoy most of the spectrum.

Only thing I really don't like (besides 85+/humid) is black ice on the roads, because it's so dangerous and there's not really much you can do about it.