iPad

[Salamok]

lol I love it "Breakthrough deal with AT&T for $30 a month unlimited data", um isn't that the exact same deal the iPhone has?

Yes but that is a breakthrough deal if you look at what other laptop "tethering" price plans are. For AT&T it's $40/month for 200 MB and $60/month for 5 GB.

Or you can just say fuck the ToS and just tether your phone behind their back or use clear.com.  This is one of the things I hate about the wireless phone business's philosophy, they fuck their customers for being loyal but they will sell their service in bulk to a competitor so that competitor can turn around and sell it to their customers who aren't being loyal.

edit: works same way with Tmobile in Austin, they allow tethering and charge reasonable rates and yet they purchase 3g network access from another wireless company who is not as friendly.

[schild]

iSupplemental eReader.

or

iEPaperisDead

or

iStillWantaLaptop

[schild]

In other words, yes, it ONLY exists to destroy the entire ebook market and make a technology (epaper) obsolete. Bravo to them, that shit sucked. Otherwise, vapid shit for vapid people.

Edit: Development cost for games on this thing to not look like shit is going to be wayyyyy too high, and goodbye awesome 99c pricepoint on apps. I really don't understand how much, if any, went into the thought of "let's make the iphone huge" - it's a totally 80s thing to do. Bigger is better. :shrug:

[sigil]

So, the 16  is the mini Pad

and the 64 is the maxiPad

While it works, it's not the most elegant solution, and it's going to get messy after heavy use.

Add to it the fact that it was presented by a douche.

I think that's enough.

[Salamok]

I'm pretty impressed with electronic ink stuff.  It is much easier on the eyes and with the week long battery life, kindle opening up for app development, not charging monthly rates for data access and color electronic ink coming down the pipe I can see the kindle possibly killing the iPad.  Of course it won't have to kill the iPad because that was already DoA.

edit: Maybe the iPad will move Amazon into opening up the format a lil though so it may be a good thing.

[Ingmar]

In other words, yes, it ONLY exists to destroy the entire ebook market and make a technology (epaper) obsolete. Bravo to them, that shit sucked.

Except you know, its twice as expensive, you have to pay for your uplink to download the shit you buy, the books are slightly more expensive than the amazon store, and you're reading on a backlit LCD screen so hello eye strain.

I just don't see it killing epaper, certainly not this generation of the device.

[Soln]

Amazon already announced an SDK and app program for Kindle, and a 70% marging for authors and publishers to publish directly through them.  So yeah, I dunno.

iPad sounds like just a big iPhone.

Re. eInk -- there is some new HD LCD tech out there I remember reading that's as good as eInk and enabled touch.  Will be interesting if it takes off.

[Trippy]

lol I love it "Breakthrough deal with AT&T for $30 a month unlimited data", um isn't that the exact same deal the iPhone has?

Yes but that is a breakthrough deal if you look at what other laptop "tethering" price plans are. For AT&T it's $40/month for 200 MB and $60/month for 5 GB.

Or you can just say fuck the ToS and just tether your phone behind their back or use clear.com.  This is one of the things I hate about the wireless phone business's philosophy, they fuck their customers for being loyal but they will sell their service in bulk to a competitor so that competitor can turn around and sell it to their customers who aren't being loyal.

edit: works same way with Tmobile in Austin, they allow tethering and charge reasonable rates and yet they purchase 3g network access from another wireless company who is not as friendly.

T-Mobile's official policy is they don't allow tethering. And using T-Mobile as the 3G provider here in the US would crush their network.

[Soln]

what's up with no Flash?  that's  for gaming

[Righ]

Apple's legion of new product fanboys will buy as many of these things as Apple can initially build in any case. There was no point in adding multitasking, a camera or anything else useful. That's going to help sell the second generation. Jobs is an evil corporate bastard, but he's not a complete fool.

Right now it's a cool X10 controller for poseurs, and sadly that's enough to sell as many as they can build for months.

[waffel]

lol.

No flash, no multitasking, no keyboard, no support for external storage, shitty gimped IPhone OS, no front-facing camera, no hand-writing recognition, no 3g (unless you add $130), backlit screen, 16g-64g of storage (lol), no PDF support, no MicroSDHC slot, no handwriting recognition, no removable battery, no USB slots?!?!,  Why not get a cheaper netbook, with better features, and tether your iphone to it?

[Salamok]

Right now it's a cool X10 controller for poseurs, and sadly that's enough to sell as many as they can build for months.

Speaking of controllers is there a droid or iPhone app that emulates a ps3 controller?  Or even turns your phone into a bluetooth keyboard for use with ps3?

[naum]

lol.

No flash, no multitasking, no keyboard, no support for external storage, shitty gimped IPhone OS, no front-facing camera, no hand-writing recognition, no 3g (unless you add $130), backlit screen, 16g-64g of storage (lol), no PDF support, no MicroSDHC slot, no handwriting recognition, no removable battery, no USB slots?!?!,  Why not get a cheaper netbook, with better features, and tether your iphone to it?

Not that I am a fan of this giant iPod Touch deal but there is indeed PDF support and there is a dock to USB connector that comes in the package.

http://www.apple.com/ipad/specs/

No Flash, so what. Flash sucks.

It's going to be a great gaming device, and though you hardcore folks don't see it, just get a gander of iPhone sales now…

Deal breaker for me is cost, non built in 3G (who wants another contract), and the whole closed off nature of iPhone OS (I spend most of my time in web browser, text editor and terminal sessions).

[naum]

[waffel]

No Flash, so what. Flash sucks.

It's going to be a great gaming device,

Wait, this is going to be a great gaming device? HOW? Who is going to want to game on this? lol. Hell, who is going to want to TYPE on this? It's too big to type with your thumbs, so you'll have to lay it flat, which means you'll have to bend over it and stare straight down on it. Holy hell, what were they thinking?

[Righ]

the whole closed off nature of iPhone OS

Not much of a problem because it'll be jailbroken in a jiffy. The real problem is the lack of multitasking. A phone-like application stack is just dreadful for a device like this. I'm guessing that AT&T wanted the full computer data rate if it could multitask, and that the $30 rate is only available for phone-like devices. So there will probably be an option that adds multitasking in a future software release, but enabling it will hike your data rate. Just my guess.

Hardware-wise, the lack of a camera without adding an external device is the biggest problem. Software-wise its too horrible to contemplate in this form. It's also a touch too overpriced for a Linux experiment.

[schild]

It's going to be a great gaming device, and though you hardcore folks don't see it, just get a gander of iPhone sales now…

The fuck we don't get it, we just like BUTANS. I have over 100 games on my ipod touch. Most are shit. Sales don't change that.

[naum]

It's going to be a great gaming device, and though you hardcore folks don't see it, just get a gander of iPhone sales now…

The fuck we don't get it, we just like BUTANS. I have over 100 games on my ipod touch. Most are shit. Sales don't change that.

Sturgeon's Law

Most all PC games are shit. Most Wii/PS3/XBox 360/DS/PSP games are shit.

[Tebonas]

Too expensive for a "watch videos wherever you like" device, too restricted for anything else.

[waffel]

Steve Jobs said "It's the best web experience you've ever had."

But it uh... doesn't have flash.

[Tebonas]

Looking at some of those enervating flash sites, thats what he might have meant! 

[naum]

the whole closed off nature of iPhone OS

Not much of a problem because it'll be jailbroken in a jiffy. The real problem is the lack of multitasking. A phone-like application stack is just dreadful for a device like this. I'm guessing that AT&T wanted the full computer data rate if it could multitask, and that the $30 rate is only available for phone-like devices. So there will probably be an option that adds multitasking in a future software release, but enabling it will hike your data rate. Just my guess.

Hardware-wise, the lack of a camera without adding an external device is the biggest problem. Software-wise its too horrible to contemplate in this form. It's also a touch too overpriced for a Linux experiment.

Enraging deal about "lack of multitasking" is that the built-in Apple apps are excepted from the restriction — mail works in the background, you can listen to your "iPod" when using another application, etc.… but no soup for you if it's a third party app you DL from appstore.

But not as draconian as Apple lording over what actually can be "legally" (without jailbreaking or running your own development fruits) installed on it.

[Salamok]

lulz screen resolution of 1024x768, I bet the markup on this thing is insane cause at every turn it looks like shit hardware.  They at least could have ditched the giant ass bezel and tried to make it wide screen friendly (1440x900 or something).

This thing missed on so many levels and yet they will still make money off of it because it is probably dirt cheap to build.

[naum]

Too expensive for a "watch videos wherever you like" device, too restricted for anything else.

Perusing my feed reader, noting even a lot of apple haters considering the device as a Kindle replacement — yeah, whispernet built-in but for same price as Kindle DX you get color + pictures + email + iTunes + etc.… …and you can already have Kindle on your iPhone/iPod Touch…

[01101010]

Well... it will be a hell of a porn viewer though. 

[Trippy]

lulz screen resolution of 1024x768, I bet the markup on this thing is insane cause at every turn it looks like shit hardware.

It's an IPS panel unlike those POS TN panels everybody else uses. This costs more money.

[Draegan]

It's like the iPad is the retarded version of the iTouch.  Like those gigantic big button phones that dumb people have to use.

[AutomaticZen]

Perusing my feed reader, noting even a lot of apple haters considering the device as a Kindle replacement — yeah, whispernet built-in but for same price as Kindle DX you get color + pictures + email + iTunes + etc.… …and you can already have Kindle on your iPhone/iPod Touch…

Then these people are not avid book readers.  E-ink over LCD anyday.

That's not a hate thing.  It's a nice piece of tech.  But as an e-reader?  No thanks.  Comics would be nice on it.

[naum]

Perusing my feed reader, noting even a lot of apple haters considering the device as a Kindle replacement — yeah, whispernet built-in but for same price as Kindle DX you get color + pictures + email + iTunes + etc.… …and you can already have Kindle on your iPhone/iPod Touch…

Then these people are not avid book readers.  E-ink over LCD anyday.

That's not a hate thing.  It's a nice piece of tech.  But as an e-reader?  No thanks.  Comics would be nice on it.

While I've only gotten to play with a Kindle, I talk to coworkers who own it and eschew it for Kindle on the iPhone — as if you are one that does most reading in bed, that kind of nullifies the e-ink advantage.

Also, I sit in front of an LCD all day and read text and it doesn't seem to bother me…

[Salamok]

lulz screen resolution of 1024x768, I bet the markup on this thing is insane cause at every turn it looks like shit hardware.

It's an IPS panel unlike those POS TN panels everybody else uses. This costs more money.

Can't be that much more at that size.  I bet the 3.7" AMOLED display on the Nexus One costs close to what the iPads 10" IPS screen does and production costs for that were figured to be $23.50 + $17.50 for the touchscreen.  Given nexus hardware pricing it looks like the costs of the 10" touchscreen would be more than what kind of panel it was integrated with.  No doubt someone will do a total cost breakdown in the near future then we will know, I'm guessing at most $150 in parts for the base model.

[AutomaticZen]

While I've only gotten to play with a Kindle, I talk to coworkers who own it and eschew it for Kindle on the iPhone — as if you are one that does most reading in bed, that kind of nullifies the e-ink advantage.

Also, I sit in front of an LCD all day and read text and it doesn't seem to bother me…

I do all my reading in the bed.  Do they sit in the dark cradling that tiny screen close?  Dragging left and right on the touch screen to read each sentence?

Sorry, it's good in a pinch, but for actual reading, e-ink.  Kindle/Sony/Nook whatever.  I use to read on my netbook before I got my Kindle.  No contest.

[Ingmar]

People reading on a backlit iPhone in the dark are going to regret it in a few years.

[Prospero]

I've done quite a bit of reading on my iPhone. If you hold it landscape each line has enough text, you just have to scroll up a lot.

[Lt.Dan]

What's the file size of a ripped DVD movie converted to 1024x768?  Can I rip widescreen movies and letterbox them for viewing on a 4:3 screen?

[Salamok]

Most of the torrent stuff gets ripped down to CD size and it still looks decent enough on a 50inch 1080p TV, so I would say you would be fine at 700meg per dvd.