Force Unleashed II

[LK]

Oh for fuck's sake.

http://www.gametrailers.com/video/star-wars-spike-tv/59816

I don't even fucking KNOW what to make of the canon ramifications of this. Yes, it will be cool, though they hopefully learn from the mechanical mistakes of the first one. That they are emphasizing the romance aspects of the plot and creating a new Kyle Katarn except with Dark Side origins, I can appreciate. But fuck, how do you undo that he fucking DIED at the end of the first one?

[Malakili]

Cloning? 

Anyway, I'll play this if they make a half way decent PC version this time.

[schild]

I don't even fucking KNOW what to make of the canon ramifications of this.

I know that you should shave your neckbeard.

[Azazel]

Doesn't he only die if you choose the good path? And doesn't the DLC already have him battling Luke Skywalker on Hoth or some shit?

Canon be damned, we're making a videyogame! Yee-haw!

[Threash]

Fuck canon, just make a good game.

[tgr]

I remember pre-ordering the first one, on the 360, and nearly ending up shoving my fist (and my controller) through the console because the auto-aim was so horrendously fucked up, the game was unplayable. It's literally the only star wars game I've started playing and did not finish.

Worst AA case: standing on a ledge, trying to autoaim-force grab a guy standing below me, so I can throw him around. End up turning 90 degrees to the right and force grabbing a fucking rock.

 

Edit: So yeah. They'd better make this one a lot better than the old one.

[Riggswolfe]

Are you sure you're not just retarded? I played this on the 360 and had the occasional minor issue but nothing like what you're describing.

But yeah, I'm having trouble imagining a sequel to this too. I think the best option would be A) a clone or B) the emporer stuck the apprentice in bacta or something so he could heal and be tortured/brainwashed later.

[tgr]

Are you sure you're not just retarded? I played this on the 360 and had the occasional minor issue but nothing like what you're describing.

That was an extreme case, I'll admit, most of the time it was just slightly confusing at times. But the case I was thinking of was literally as simple as point the indicator on the guy below, activate autoaim, turn 90 degrees to the right. I could probably fire the game up again at some point just to make sure I wasn't just being retarded at the time, but :effort:

[Merusk]

Worked just fine on the Wii. Heh.

[eldaec]

Oh for fuck's sake.

http://www.gametrailers.com/video/star-wars-spike-tv/59816

I don't even fucking KNOW what to make of the canon ramifications of this.

Follow the light side ending and 'uh, he wasn't quite dead' I imagine.

[Sheepherder]

new Kyle Katarn except with Dark Side origins

Lolwut.

[LK]

Kyle Katarn was bad-ass mother fucker Jedi who toed the line between light and dark. Seems like Galen is going down the same path but instead of starting on the light side he starts on the dark.

[Ard]

I'm pretty sure all that they need to do is put a mustache on him, and say it's his cousin from Tatooine.

[Azazel]

Is FU supposed to be level 1 (or whatever) canon? Because the tute/Vader level had a new type of stormtrooper armour in it. And this shit is Important!

[schild]

FU is what the fans of the series have gotten so long I can't understand why there are any left.

[Riggswolfe]

Are you sure you're not just retarded? I played this on the 360 and had the occasional minor issue but nothing like what you're describing.

That was an extreme case, I'll admit, most of the time it was just slightly confusing at times. But the case I was thinking of was literally as simple as point the indicator on the guy below, activate autoaim, turn 90 degrees to the right. I could probably fire the game up again at some point just to make sure I wasn't just being retarded at the time, but :effort:

Sorry, my last post was a little harsh. I didn't really have many problems. Sure I had the occasional issue but it wasn't enough to distract me from the fun of chucking stormtroopers at tie fighters and stuff.

[WindupAtheist]

I don't even fucking KNOW what to make of the canon ramifications of this.

You just need to relax. I like KOTOR and the Thrawn Trilogy as much as anyone, but I don't give two shits about the myriad ways in which 30 years worth of Star Wars related material may conflict with itself. From what I understand, once you factor in all the comics and kiddie books and stuff, this Force Unleashed guy would have to be Han Solo's transgendered clone and shit tribbles to even make the top ten list of facepalms.

[K9]

If you stop caring about the storyline, what you have is a fun romp around space where you get to fuck stuff up as a jedi, which at the end of the day is more entertaining than the majority of other games produced.

[bhodi]

They should have redone jedi knight. The force unleashed was an unplayable mess on the PC. Terrible, unresponsive controls. Boring, repetitive attacks. Levels and enemies that made no sense. Bad voice acting. I could go on. Once the enjoyment of force choking people off cliffs wore off, the game was a real bore. Lightsaber combat was terrible. I got to the second or third stage and never went back.

If they smooth it out and fun it up, it could be OK. What I really want is another game in the jedi knight series.

[Cyrrex]

What I really want is another game in the jedi knight series.

Not because I dislike the FU series, but HELL YEAH.

[K9]

They should have redone jedi knight. The force unleashed was an unplayable mess on the PC. Terrible, unresponsive controls. Boring, repetitive attacks. Levels and enemies that made no sense. Bad voice acting. I could go on. Once the enjoyment of force choking people off cliffs wore off, the game was a real bore. Lightsaber combat was terrible. I got to the second or third stage and never went back.

If they smooth it out and fun it up, it could be OK. What I really want is another game in the jedi knight series.

I never played it on the PC. On the PS3 it was a lot of fun though.

[Sheepherder]

Kyle Katarn was bad-ass mother fucker Jedi who toed the line between light and dark. Seems like Galen is going down the same path but instead of starting on the light side he starts on the dark.

You missed the part where Kyle Katarn was a stormtrooper.

[LK]

Kyle Kataran is a clone? O_O

I know he was tied to the empire pre Jedi-Knight series. Never played Dark Forces.

[Cyrrex]

Kyle Kataran is a clone? O_O

Why are you trying to provoke the SW nerds?  I'm talking about myself, of course.

Few stormtroopers of that era were clones.  Except for Thrawn's brief use of them, they were all regular conscripts at that time.

[Ironwood]

Which was another reason they SUCKED.

[eldaec]

Kyle Kataran is a clone? O_O

Why are you trying to provoke the SW nerds?  I'm talking about myself, of course.

Few stormtroopers of that era were clones.  Except for Thrawn's brief use of them, they were all regular conscripts at that time.

Lucas changed this. The super whatever edition of the regular trilogy even has them all voiced by the stormtrooper clone guy from austrailia.

They are all clones now, EU and Kyle Katarn be damned.

[LK]

Whee.

[AutomaticZen]

By the time of the original trilogy, the current explanation is stormtroopers are 1/3 Fett clones, 1/3 other clones, and 1/3 conscripts.  From the official Star Wars site:

Following the rise of the Empire, the military cloning program expanded to include new clone hosts. By the time of the Empire consolidated its power by dissolving the Senate, the ranks of the Imperial stormtroopers would include cloned infantry from multiple sources as well as birth-born conscripts and recruits from various worlds.

[Azazel]

Anyway, the stormtrooper clone guy from australia Temuera Morrison from New Zealand might have done the voices, but there's literally no reason that all clones of the same person should sound the same anyway, since you learn language from whoever it is that teaches you, and people immersed in another accent will pick up bits and pieces of that accent along with dialect mannerisms, or even from watching too much TV from another nation.

Basically, that canadian movie director guy who made star wars fucked up. again.

[WindupAtheist]

Damn you and your ignorance of the nuances of how dialect is acquired, Lucas! DAMN YOUUUUUU!

[Kail]

there's literally no reason that all clones of the same person should sound the same anyway...

Yeah, unless they did something bizarre like brought them all up from birth in the exact same intensive training program where confirmity is reinforced.

[Azazel]

For the first few years, sure. But when they begin to mix with the others, the conscripts, volunteers (if any) and the officer corps, who mostly seem to have been drawn from the planet England they would have more divergence. There's something about that in the Republic Commando stuff, to explain why they have differnet voices (intensive training from different Mandalorans or something).

Mostly though, I wanted to point out that the actor is a Kiwi and not an Australian (I think Canadians will understand that one) and sling some shit at Lucas for fucking with the movies that didn't really need fucking with. As opposed to those who worship his shit. Both figuatively and literally.

[WindupAtheist]

Are those the same Republic Commando books that started the mother of all nerdfights when one of the retarded authors decided to cite some numbers and made the entire Grand Army of the Galactic Republic smaller than the real-world Chinese military? Or was that a different cash-in series of schlocky dimestore novels? I don't know for sure because I don't buy them.

[Azazel]

I'm not sure. I read the first one of those books after playing the game and it was actually pretty decent, because it read like a semi-realistic bit of sci-fi that happened to be set in the SW universe rather than Star Wars schlock, which is what 99.9% of the EU appears to be. It's also one of only two SW books I've read, so I don't know.

The other one was about Vader, Post ROTS. Forgot the name. I bought a box of SW books off a friend on another forum for dirt cheap. I bought the followup to that RC book, but I don't recall where I put it after buying it.

The story was definately better than TPM or AOTC though, and it didn't feature any boys named Annie. Or retarded fursuit versions of duckbilled dinosaurs. So that's 3 up. 

[Cyrrex]

The RC series is definitely above average fare in the SW EU (though I'm not confident of it ending well).  I'm thinking that the size of the Grand Army was established elsewhere, but I'm not sure, to be honest.  As far as I am concerned, this series does a far better job in explaining clone related canon better than Lucas could ever hope to.  I know it isn't supposed to work like that, but what happens in my imagination is none of Lucas' business, especially when there are plenty of others that can do it better than him.