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Chimpy
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Reply #2905 on: October 08, 2018, 08:01:05 PM

AMD Ryzen stuff has virtualization extensions.

While it *may* run ok, the security implications of running a web server that is open to ANY of the internet on your home PC makes my skin crawl just thinking about it.

Why not just run your old machine headless as a hypervisor from a closet if you really want something? You can run KVM on CentOS or even the free version of ESXi.

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Reply #2906 on: October 08, 2018, 09:17:05 PM

A hypervisor escalation attack that could be run on an unpatched system strictly over port 443 is a pretty narrow scope.  I   guess I am not entirely confident that Hyper V on windows 10 pro will be taken as seriously by Microsoft as Hyper V on a windows server OS would be from a patch cycle standpoint but I would think it isn't wildly out of synch.  That said I do have a few reasons why it might be okay for me to bend a bit on this:

#1  - This type of attack is something that for the foreseeable future would need to be specifically tailored to my environment, a script kiddy throwing in a google search and pointing a script at a result isn't going to successfully escalate something to the host from the container.

#2 - I am fairly comfortable when it comes to setting up and securing web servers, if my Hyper V container has a unique IP and my router is port forwarding only port 443 (or some other random port of choice) to that IP I am confident that I can secure the linux instance and web server (fail2ban, blacklist or whitelist ip addresses, no remote or a preshared key for root login, secured filesystem, etc).

#3 - While the high end routing and firewall equipment I am used to having in place in a data center is great, if someone compromises my home router my Windows 10 host is probably a far easier target to directly attack than attempting to go through the Linux guest VM with zero critical information on it.

I dunno maybe you are right and the risk isn't worth the gain, the wife gets annoyed when I have spare PCs stashed all over the house but maybe it would be better to just grab a high end mini PC (Intel NUC or something) and run my web server in a Hyper V on that, mount it to the back of my monitor or something.
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Reply #2907 on: October 09, 2018, 08:54:23 AM

I have a friend that uses a NUC with a SamsungPro as a home ESXi box and he says it works great. I don’t know if there are any AMD versions of that type of product but any of the micro-ITX builds people use for HTPCs should be both usable and less expensive than a NUC since intel charges a pretty hefty “tax” for the NUC.

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Reply #2908 on: October 09, 2018, 09:45:30 AM

Yea the NUC price needs to be slashed in half.
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Reply #2909 on: October 12, 2018, 08:12:57 AM

Dunno if anyone is looking to build any time soon, but a bunch of NZXT cases that are soon to be retired are on sale via their site right now.

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Reply #2910 on: October 12, 2018, 11:02:59 AM

Wish that Razer H440 was an EATX case
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Reply #2911 on: October 12, 2018, 12:03:48 PM

Dunno if anyone is looking to build any time soon, but a bunch of NZXT cases that are soon to be retired are on sale via their site right now.

Hmm thanks.  I might actually grab one for an upcoming build.
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Reply #2912 on: October 12, 2018, 12:39:19 PM

The S340 is a great fucking case.
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Reply #2913 on: October 12, 2018, 01:54:57 PM

Contemplating buying the H440 white.  Seems like a great case. 

Thanks for the link!

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Reply #2914 on: October 14, 2018, 08:28:53 PM

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Reply #2915 on: October 14, 2018, 09:02:22 PM

That WD Blue m.2 SSD is *not* NVMe so you will be getting the same performance as a regular WD Blue 2.5" SATA SSD. If you really want to take advantage of that M.2 interface you should get an NVMe M.2 SSD.
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Reply #2916 on: October 14, 2018, 09:31:48 PM

Awesome, thanks.  I think I found some good reading material on the NVMe stuff.  Seems like the Samsung drives might be a better choice.
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Reply #2917 on: October 15, 2018, 09:31:23 AM

Awesome, thanks.  I think I found some good reading material on the NVMe stuff.  Seems like the Samsung drives might be a better choice.

Samsung has been at the leading edge of consumer SSD for quite awhile now, solid choice.
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Reply #2918 on: October 15, 2018, 06:32:27 PM

Awesome, thanks.  I think I found some good reading material on the NVMe stuff.  Seems like the Samsung drives might be a better choice.

This is the 960GB version of the one I used on the build posted a couple of pages ago.  Performance has been great in my experience and it seems to review well.  Currently, you can get it for $180 if you use code SAVE15 at checkout.

The same site has the 480GB version for basically half price as well.

Also, with large SATA SSDs getting cheaper ($110 with same code), I don't know if I'd put a sub-2TB spinner in a new build any more.
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Reply #2919 on: October 16, 2018, 11:41:29 AM

That is a good point.  I don't need a 2 TB drive, I have storage elsewhere, this is pretty much only for games.  Really the only reason I even have it is for moving the occasional gigantic game that don't play for awhile or for somewhere to put raw captured video.   Maybe at some point I'll grab another SSD as a secondary and re-purpose this one.
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Reply #2920 on: October 17, 2018, 02:51:21 PM

Samsung's EVO series of NVME m.2 drives is the bar to beat, and not many come close even on a dollar for dollar basis. It's just stupid fast in a way that only very high end PCIe SSD's can beat, with reliability more than high enough for home users. If nearly 2 GB/sec isn't fast enough, you're doing something way outside the normal usage pattern.

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Reply #2921 on: October 18, 2018, 02:57:28 PM

So after a bit further research it appears if you have hyper v enabled on windows 10 gaming performance takes a significant hit (30-50% loss in FPS), this is with just the service started and no Hyper V guests running.
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Reply #2922 on: November 19, 2018, 06:19:39 AM

Keep an eye on Amazon for the Black Friday week: personally, on the italian version, I just bought a Samsung 860 EVO, 1TB (already have an 850 512GB one) for just €160. Next big PC upgrade, I think I'll switch to the NVME ones.

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Reply #2923 on: November 29, 2018, 01:45:49 PM

In December Samsung is releasing 1TB, 2TB and 4TB SSD drives aimed at and priced for the consumer market.

https://www.engadget.com/2018/11/28/samsung-860-qvo-ssd/
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Reply #2924 on: November 29, 2018, 01:51:32 PM

In December Samsung is releasing 1TB, 2TB and 4TB SSD drives aimed at and priced for the consumer market.

https://www.engadget.com/2018/11/28/samsung-860-qvo-ssd/

excerpt from the article you linked:

"You may want to be careful before rushing to buy one for your gaming rig, though. While the sequential data read speeds are good for the money at 550MB/s, the write speeds are another story. AnandTech pointed out that the claimed 520MB/s sequential write speed only holds when you're using the cache. Like other high-capacity-low-price SSDs, the sustainable speeds fall significantly when you don't have the luxury of that cache, ranging from 80MB/s on the 1TB model to 160MB/s on the 2TB and 4TB editions. A discounted 860 EVO might be more competitive than the QVO. With that said, we wouldn't expect the QVO to stay at official prices forever. A drop in street prices could make this the value champ for people more interested in having a do-it-all drive than the fastest possible performance."
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Reply #2925 on: November 29, 2018, 02:35:44 PM

I was thinking more along the lines of using it as a secondary drive with a 970 pro as my main.

edit - "160MB/s on the 2TB and 4TB editions" - this speed is roughly on par with a good mechanical drive, so if you go with a 2TB or 4TB edition it seems like it would be a good drop in replacement for any mechanical drive that would likely be in a personal computer (gaming or otherwise).
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