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Reply #2800 on: March 26, 2018, 02:44:00 PM

Seems decent.
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Reply #2801 on: March 26, 2018, 04:06:51 PM

Hard drive is a bit small at 256GB (if you want to game with it that is) but otherwise that looks like a decent deal.

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Reply #2802 on: March 26, 2018, 04:10:00 PM

It has an empty 2.5" drive bay. 256 GB is actually a decent sized SSD at that price (many only have 128 GB).

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Reply #2803 on: March 26, 2018, 04:12:48 PM

Ah ok, if you can add another drive then that becomes a good deal.

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Reply #2804 on: March 26, 2018, 04:22:00 PM

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Reply #2805 on: March 28, 2018, 07:05:24 PM

In 2011, I bought this laptop at 40% off, for about AUD $700. Everyone said don't buy a HP laptop, they're shit:

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HP Pavilion DV6-6137tx
Intel Core i7-2630QM @ 2.00GHz
8GB DDR3 RAM
750GB SATA HDD
Blu-ray ROM with SuperMulti DVD+/-R/RW Double Layer
15.6` High-Definition LED HP BrightView Display(1366 x 768)
High definition Beats Audio
ATI Radeon HD 6770M Graphics
10/100/1000 LAN, 802.11b/g/n WLAN, Bluetooth
Webcam, fingerprint reader, Multimedia card reader
1 x VGA, 1 x HDMI, 2 x USB 2.0, 2 x SuperSpeed USB 3.0, 1 x RJ-45
Windows 7 Home premium 64-bit

I just switched out the HDD for a A$172 Crucial MX500 SSD, replaced the deceased battery for about A$50, and installed a third-party video driver called Leshcat UniFL. I wanted a second desktop machine in another room -- it's hooked up to a monitor at 1920x1200 and running with the lid closed, like a desktop -- to play Elite Dangerous and occasionally work from home... but I just bought a car, so I can't afford another PC yet.

So far, it runs everything I've thrown at it from my Steam library (okay, so I probably need to buy something from 2018). As long as some other part doesn't die soon, this 7-year-old machine has been an insanely good purchase, and recently a fun project. I have also ordered a well-reviewed $25 cooling pad that supposedly improves it more. I'm moving a Roccat Sova couch gaming keyboard between the two PCs, which is pretty easy as my mouse plugs into the keyboard so I just have to connect/disconnect one front USB cord.
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Reply #2806 on: March 31, 2018, 06:17:10 PM

I ended up missing the deal I asked about initially - by the time I got the approval from my wife it was sold out. I'm still in the market to upgrade my gaming PC though.

What manufacturers are pretty decent laptops now? ASUS, MSI and Dell/Alienware all look like they're still solid. Though the later is generally overpriced.
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Reply #2807 on: April 01, 2018, 09:26:01 PM

EDIT: Never mind, late to the party. Although that link shows back in stock at $1049, which still isn't bad. I've been happy with my MSI, although the 870M is definitely showing its age.

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Reply #2808 on: April 30, 2018, 11:05:46 PM

My roommate is looking for a laptop. I've never owned a laptop. Sooooo need a bit of advice.

Needs something for gaming but not bleeding edge ultra settings exactly. I know he's interested in playing xcom2, CK2 (he's mainly a strategy/rts type) and the hardest game to run he's talked about/played that I've seen would probably be Fifa I guess? I didn't realize anyone /ever/ played Fifa type games on anything but console.

He's looking at a max budget of around $1500 and I'm primarily worried about it being something with decent battery/heat specs > insane resolution/settings ability. I'm not even sure where to start besides asking here and just blindly browsing around laptop centric websites i've never been to before.

Thanks/sorry guys


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Reply #2809 on: April 30, 2018, 11:42:02 PM

~$1000 can get you a decent NVIDIA 1060 laptop. ~$1500 will get you into the 1070 range.

Here's an example of a decently portable (~5 lb) 1070 laptop:

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834154732

Unlike the previous mobile NVIDIA GPUs the mobile GTX 10- GPUs are pretty close to their desktop counterparts so it's easier to figure out how much GPU power your roommate will need.
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Reply #2810 on: May 02, 2018, 07:28:49 AM

https://www.amazon.com/Acer-Predator-i7-7700HQ-1060-6GB-G3-571-77QK/dp/B06Y4GZS9C

Amazon says he'll like this most. I don't see anything that blows it out certainly. I'm concerned about getting such a X-TREME GAMING type branded thing.

I don't care if its bulky/heavy if that gives better specs or battery or cooling but I didn't notice any such options.

this shitty link of no repute seemed to suggest the Acer was good

specs seemed as good as anything else I saw. Some had a hybird 128 SSD and 1TB or just under totalling 1TB HDD but otherwise everything at the price point seemed basically the same.
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Reply #2811 on: May 02, 2018, 10:32:25 AM

Looks decent.
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Reply #2812 on: May 11, 2018, 06:20:18 PM

So, video card prices are sane again as the miners wait for a new generation of custom hardware that works for Ethereum. Should I buy now, or are the video card manufacturers about to release the next generation hardware?

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Reply #2813 on: May 11, 2018, 06:31:08 PM

NVIDIA has already released their next-gen architecture (Volta) but only in high-end cards. There's no announced date yet on the regular consumer line of cards but it's likely after Q2 this year (i.e. Q3 or Q4).

Edit: here's a review of the Titan V (the $3000 "consumer" Volta card):

https://www.hardocp.com/article/2018/03/20/nvidia_titan_v_video_card_gaming_review

That'll give you range where the "1180" might fall between the Titan V and the 1080 Ti.
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Reply #2814 on: May 11, 2018, 07:35:08 PM

Yeah, I won't be buying an 1180, I'm just wondering if it is about to come out (and presumably drop the price on the 1080's).

Spending full premium-rate on a card that is about to become last-generation doesn't appeal, if I only need to wait a month or so.

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Reply #2815 on: May 13, 2018, 10:40:18 AM

I'm still on a 980ti and not sure what an upgrade would even net me.
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Reply #2816 on: May 13, 2018, 09:31:44 PM

I'm still on a 660ti, its def time to pull the trigger on something if prices are coming back to normal.

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Reply #2817 on: May 13, 2018, 09:52:22 PM

From the looks of it, the 1070ti is currently the best bang for the buck, nearly identical benchmarks to the 1080 and $80-100 cheaper. Finally got off the fence and purchased the rest of the missing bits for the backpack build. Didn't have a big/slow HDD or a Windows license for it, and the parts were scattered across three states, so I ordered a Barracude 8tb and Windows 10 Home 64 on USB, and gathered all the bits in one place

Silverstone Milo 08H case (14"x16" with the handle)
Silverstone SFX-L 700W PSU
MSI Gaming Pro Carbon Z270 mini-ITX mobo
Corsair Vengeance RAM (3600 8gb X2)
Intel 7700 Kaby Lake (3.6ghz, 65W)
Gelid SlimHero 59x120mm CPU cooler (similar to the Big Shuriken, but all-copper heatplate and pipes)
Samsung EVO 960 500GB m.2 SSD
Barracuda 8tb 7200rpm HDD
Wi-Fi antenna I can't be arsed to look up the manufacturer for, similar to those used in laptops, I will build them into the case faceplate and handle

I'll put all of that together this week sometime, see if I can get it working on integrated graphics before I pull the trigger on a GPU. Some of it is a little dated now, new generations of the Z chipset, the CPU, and the SSD have already come out, but the differences really don't amount to much.

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Edit: What do people think of the Vega 56 GPU from AMD? Seem to be the same price as the 1080, with slightly higher benchmarks.
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Reply #2818 on: May 13, 2018, 11:53:06 PM

Edit: What do people think of the Vega 56 GPU from AMD? Seem to be the same price as the 1080, with slightly higher benchmarks.
Where are you seeing higher benchmarks? I'm only seeing lower or the same unless the Vega 56 is overclocked vs a stock 1080:

https://www.anandtech.com/show/11717/the-amd-radeon-rx-vega-64-and-56-review
https://techgage.com/article/nvidias-geforce-gtx-1070-ti-vs-rx-vega-56-gtx-1070-1080/3/
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Reply #2819 on: May 14, 2018, 12:03:37 AM


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Reply #2820 on: May 14, 2018, 12:21:26 AM

Why would you use a composite-scored synthetic benchmark that doesn't use any real games in it for comparison purposes?


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Reply #2821 on: May 14, 2018, 12:27:49 AM

Why would you use a composite-scored synthetic benchmark that doesn't use any real games in it for comparison purposes?



Because a little bird who might or might not have been working for a video card manufacturer told me that the "real games" metrics used by the major review sites are subtly tilted to favor NVidia. Alcohol was involved in this confession.

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Reply #2822 on: May 14, 2018, 12:29:46 AM

Yes they are cause NVIDIA has better drivers.
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Reply #2823 on: May 14, 2018, 12:47:26 AM

people still buy Radeons?
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Reply #2824 on: May 14, 2018, 12:53:38 AM

I will take this as advice not to give AMD another chance.

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Reply #2825 on: May 18, 2018, 12:02:16 AM

I use to buy Radeons back in the day when they were making equal or better cards than Nvidia.

That hasn't been the case in well over a decade.

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Reply #2826 on: May 18, 2018, 12:08:28 AM

Pretty sure the last ATI I owned was yeah, around 2004.
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Reply #2827 on: May 18, 2018, 12:47:43 AM

Finished the build. Was actually pretty easy, hardest part was the cooler being nearly as large as the mobo, with a non-standard 140mm fan (inverted):



There is literally 2mm between the ram and the fins of the CPU cooler:



Fastest Windows installation I have ever done, USB 3.0 thumb drive into an SSD, took about 15 minutes. Mounted the CPU fan inverted because there is no case ventilation, doing it this way throws the waste heat straight out of the case. Between that and the grotesquely oversized cooler (rated 130W TDP on a 65W CPU) I can't get the temps over the 50's even in a stress test. I'll use a blower style GPU for the same reason, once I buy it.

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Reply #2828 on: May 18, 2018, 05:45:22 AM

Pretty sure the last ATI I owned was yeah, around 2004.

Same: the X800 XT (actually, quite a good card). SWG ran pretty good with it.

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Reply #2829 on: May 18, 2018, 09:23:29 AM

I bought an R7 Radeon card (I think the 460) last summer and it ran well. They still make iffy drivers, but the hardware itself is decent.

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Reply #2830 on: May 18, 2018, 09:33:20 AM

Pretty sure the last ATI I owned was yeah, around 2004.
My last was a 9800 Pro, maybe 2003? It was a beast, 256 bit memory lane, it was great. But drivers.

Other than some 3DFX stuff in the 90s (and not counting pre-voodoo mess), I've only used nvidia stuff.

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Reply #2831 on: May 18, 2018, 10:16:21 AM

Any recommendations/opinions on the current Alienware notebook stock? They are running 10% off this weekend which puts them in the current Asus/MSI range. Looking towards a 8750-H/1070 combo.

The point I'm hesitating on is the 17" systems are fucking enormous. Are the 15" screens still fairly decent? And does the 60Hz IPS for Graphic Design vs. 120Hz TN for Gaming argument still hold up? I haven't kept up on screen tech in the past few years and video reviews just don't offer up great examples. I game more than I will work on it, but would still love to some dev/design work with mobility.

15.6 inch FHD (1920 x 1080) 60Hz IPS Display NVIDIA G-SYNC Enabled
vs.
15.6 inch FHD (1920 x 1080) 120Hz TN Display 5ms response time, NVIDIA G-SYNC

or

17.3 inch FHD (1920 x 1080) 60Hz IPS Anti-Glare 300-nits
vs.
17.3 in QHD (2560 x 1440) 120Hz TN+WVA AG 400-nits NVIDIA G-SYNC, Tobii Eye-tracking
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Reply #2832 on: May 18, 2018, 02:21:38 PM

The point I'm hesitating on is the 17" systems are fucking enormous. Are the 15" screens still fairly decent? And does the 60Hz IPS for Graphic Design vs. 120Hz TN for Gaming argument still hold up?
I game on IPS panels, so no? awesome, for real

The wide-viewing angle TN panels are better than regular TN panels in terms of viewing angle but still not as good as IPS panels: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCpI2UqJ_VU

My main issue with TN laptop panels is the shift in the vertical (top to bottom) viewing angles depending on the tilt of the screen and the height of my head relative to the screen rather than the horizontal (left/right) viewing angles as I raise and lower my head often depending on how I'm sitting in a chair. If you don't move your head much then TN (either regular or WVA) may be good enough.
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Reply #2833 on: May 18, 2018, 02:32:44 PM

Thanks, Trippy. That's what I needed to hear.
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Reply #2834 on: May 18, 2018, 11:44:45 PM

So State of Decay is bitching about my processor being at or below min specs and I kinda chuckled because a) the game runs great and b) FC5 also ran great so what the...oh, some quick research shows I bought this CPU in 2011  why so serious?

And the 970 in 2014  DRILLING AND WOMANLINESS DRILLING AND WOMANLINESS

So on the one hand, after 7 years I guess a CPU upgrade might be nice (and the old lady was shocked my CPU was so old, she's been trained!). On the other hand, not really sure I even need it. Anything on the horizon I should wait for? I'm a bit low on fun money since I blew a chunk going to TO for a week, but here's my initial thought for an upgrade, carrying forward my PSU & 970 (since I'm still at 1080p on the tv).

ASUS ROG STRIX Z370-F
i5 8600K or i7 8700K?
G.SKILL TridentZ Series 16GB (2 x 8GB)  Model F4-3200C14D-16GTZSK
Samsung 960 EVO Series - 500GB I have a 256GB SATA Samsung Pro, but I usually do a clean install when I get a new mobo
Is the Hyper 212 still a thing? Can I use my old one (i5 2500K iirc)?

Like I said, not sure I NEED to upgrade, since most things run fine at 1080p. But when I jump to a 4K tv (and/or next gen VR), I'll need to for sure get a new GPU...and it would be nice to not have an ancient system lurking under it. Thoughts?

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