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[IainC]

Doesn't the hike up to a Level4 agent take weeks/months though?  Is it faster now?  That's post-Battleship, correct?

Really depends. If you have decent social skills and you haven't wrecked your basic factional standings, then you can blitz missions for 3 or 4 nights to build up the corp standings you need to use a L4 agent. That's assuming that you can fly a ship big enough to instapop the stuff in low level missions and you aren't wasting time with looting and salvaging - when I was grinding standings for my R&D agents, I was doing 8 or 9 missions an hour with my main combat character.

[squirrel]

Ratting in Delve goes around 15 to 30mil an hour.

That's a YMMV kind of statement though! :)

As a relative newb I'm finding that in a Caracal with heavy missiles I can make about 2.5 mil an hour ratting. Anything BS size and up just takes way too long to drop. I expect once I save up enough to get a Drake I should be making more. (the difference for me is between killing rats worth 250,000 to killing rats worth 1.7m).

[Draegan]

Where is the money in ratting?  Looting and salvaging?  Or is there some sort of mission/bounty thing?

[Furiously]

Yes to all.

[squirrel]

I should qualify that I don't have salvage yet, have been too lazy to go to Empire to get survey skill.

[Comstar]

Clarify: 10 to 15mil an hour in a Drake/Hurricane/Harbringer, 15 to 25 in a Battleship. That's just the bounty and using reasonable skills and mods. In theory you can double that with salvage and loot, but I find that takes too much time (and there's usually a poor-newbee who will be happy to clean up after you). With crappier skills and mods reduce the amount by about 1/3.

The Poor-newbee who asks if anyone would mind if he scooped up the loot and salvage would probably get half the ISK in bounty with the salvage and loot refined down to minerals and you can do that in a destroyer.

And mind you, ALL OF DELVE counts as -1.0 so you can rat in a out of the way system just as well as anywhere else in the region.

If you want to mission instead, Delve is ALSO broken as it contains NPC stations, giving out missions all the way to level 4. The security isn't so good from roaming gankers, but there's only 1 system at the end of a pipe that is infested and most other NPC systems are pretty empty. Note that if you rat you'll end up digging a hole in your stranding it will take a long time to get out of, and the Blood Raider LP rewards aren't as good as empire LP.

[Endie]

Ratting in Delve goes around 15 to 30mil an hour.

That's a YMMV kind of statement though! :)

As a relative newb I'm finding that in a Caracal with heavy missiles I can make about 2.5 mil an hour ratting. Anything BS size and up just takes way too long to drop. I expect once I save up enough to get a Drake I should be making more. (the difference for me is between killing rats worth 250,000 to killing rats worth 1.7m).

PM me (I'm the character who sent the corp email about the slosh op on Saturday) and I'll send you some cash so you don't have to waste your time ratting for a while.

[Falwell]

I didn't want to bump the Dust thread with Endie's big recruitment drive going so I'll just put this here. Edge had a 6 page spread covering Dust this week and can be read in full right here.

Also, for you potential salvagers, get your science skill to IV and GET A TRACTOR BEAM! It takes a ton of the suck out of salvaging. Destroyers make spectacular salvagers and are dirt cheap to fly both in cost and SP's.

[Jayce]

Oh, and for all you who think you should refuse offers of cash (like I thought at the beginning) - just take it. It's really a drop in the bucket to an established player. Endie, for example, is trying to go broke but failing miserably.  Most likely a month's worth of fun for you is a few minutes per day, at best, to the established player with access to resources that you will only learn about in time.

[Thrawn]

Oh, and for all you who think you should refuse offers of cash (like I thought at the beginning) - just take it. It's really a drop in the bucket to an established player. Endie, for example, is trying to go broke but failing miserably.  Most likely a month's worth of fun for you is a few minutes per day, at best, to the established player with access to resources that you will only learn about in time.

A million times this.

New player - "Sweet, I managed to kill a BS spawn, I'm 1.7m richer.  OMG so much money!"

Established player - "Oh look, I killed the officer/complex spawn and he dropped 1.7b worth of stuff for me to sell.  Cool." or "I made about 2 bil in profits this week on my production." or "I just scammed Joe-blow-idiot noobie out of a cool billion with an hours work." etc. etc.

[Endie]

I'l let Endie finish his story of the war. I will say that CCP has become far more professional in the last few years.

I want to tell you a little story of mine, if I may.

I was a member of IAC at this time...

Episode IV starts with a description of the other fronts as they developed.

[squirrel]

Oh, and for all you who think you should refuse offers of cash (like I thought at the beginning) - just take it. It's really a drop in the bucket to an established player. Endie, for example, is trying to go broke but failing miserably.  Most likely a month's worth of fun for you is a few minutes per day, at best, to the established player with access to resources that you will only learn about in time.

Hrm. Ok I'll rethink my "Thanks, but really I want to earn my way..." response.

[Slayerik]

Earn your way right to the point where you need to buy the Tier 2 training skills, then beg ;)

[Fordel]

"Earning you way" in EVE is a sure fire way to hate yourself and the game. The difference between having to scrape by for every 10k ISK during that first month compared to an established player just throwing you a few million or whatever is astronomical.

The True Newbie experience is much better then it was way back when, but it still sucks a whole bunch.

[kondratti]

"Earning you way" in EVE is a sure fire way to hate yourself and the game. The difference between having to scrape by for every 10k ISK during that first month compared to an established player just throwing you a few million or whatever is astronomical.

The True Newbie experience is much better then it was way back when, but it still sucks a whole bunch.

I don't know... I have been in a week and doing the newbie Epic story Arc and I have 10 million ISK and 2 fully kitted out Destroyers + 3 or 4 Frigates.  I think the newbie experience now certainly doesnt present a problem with money.

[Jayce]

"Earning you way" in EVE is a sure fire way to hate yourself and the game. The difference between having to scrape by for every 10k ISK during that first month compared to an established player just throwing you a few million or whatever is astronomical.

The True Newbie experience is much better then it was way back when, but it still sucks a whole bunch.

I don't know... I have been in a week and doing the newbie Epic story Arc and I have 10 million ISK and 2 fully kitted out Destroyers + 3 or 4 Frigates.  I think the newbie experience now certainly doesnt present a problem with money.

Congratulations, in one week you have 10 minutes' worth of cash an experienced 0.0 player can make in 0.0 even if she isn't sophisticated about it.


Not to poop on your achievement, but really EVE doesn't shine for its epic story arcs (not the ones the developers put in) (leaving aside the developers commanding enemy cap fleets  ). 

I expect you would have more fun in one evening's roaming gang under a good FC than you've had all week in your story arc.  That said, they do have some value for getting you used to the interface. Once you feel comfortable with it, take a few (ten) million from someone and get thee to Delve.

[Thrawn]

I don't know... I have been in a week and doing the newbie Epic story Arc and I have 10 million ISK and 2 fully kitted out Destroyers + 3 or 4 Frigates.  I think the newbie experience now certainly doesnt present a problem with money.

Cruiser skillbook 400k
Cruiser will cost you 3m ish probably.
Battlecrusier skillbook 1m
A battlecruiser about 30m
Battleship skillbook 3.6m

So thats another 28m to make before you can even think about buying a battleship, not at all considering all the fittings, insurance and skillbooks to use your fittings.    Your certainly doing well but if veteran player offers you isk, take it, no reason not to.  10m is probably 10 minutes worth of work for an established/experianced player.

[kondratti]

I dont disagree... what I have is a pittance.  But I am not scraping by for money just yet.  I dont feel poor like I did in Aion, WoW, EQ2, etc etc.

I am really just making sure I understand game mechanics before I jump into a PvP corp.  I would love to join LOVEU but am wary about being in Aussie timezone and having nobody to blow shit up with.  I am not a solo player of MMOs, and always prefer to run with a pack.

Also Comstr's poster about one person making a difference.  That's the stuff that sells this game.

[eldaec]

Where is the money in ratting?  Looting and salvaging?  Or is there some sort of mission/bounty thing?

Best money in Ratting is to have a full dps fit battleship (typically an apocalypse class ship) that doesn't loot, doesn't salavage, just blows crap up. But you need a couple of months to gather the relevant skills. If you get in a system with enough belts and without too many other ratters, that will turn over 30M an hour.

Next best money ratting is to be following the fully dps fit battleship around in a smaller ship, salvaging the wrecks. You'll make around 70% of whatever the ratter makes by salvaging and looting his wrecks. Thing is, you can do this after two weeks tops.

Missioning is a little better than ratting, but you are in NPC space, so occasionally you need to dock up and shelter from fake Russians raiding our space. Plus you need to build standings and you'll want to fly something you can mix up damage and tank according to want you are fighting (ie. You'll want a Raven)

[squirrel]

I don't know... I have been in a week and doing the newbie Epic story Arc and I have 10 million ISK and 2 fully kitted out Destroyers + 3 or 4 Frigates.  I think the newbie experience now certainly doesnt present a problem with money.

Cruiser skillbook 400k
Cruiser will cost you 3m ish probably.
Battlecrusier skillbook 1m
A battlecruiser about 30m
Battleship skillbook 3.6m

So thats another 28m to make before you can even think about buying a battleship, not at all considering all the fittings, insurance and skillbooks to use your fittings.    Your certainly doing well but if veteran player offers you isk, take it, no reason not to.  10m is probably 10 minutes worth of work for an established/experianced player.

BS? Hell I'm looking to get a Battlecruiser and it''s about 30+M without skills or fittings. I will be begging. Figure it's more tax for the corp god and I have frigates for the throne...

[Der Helm]

I had a bit over 15$ in my paypal account.


I hate you people.


edit: Install complete.

[lac]

Of course getting a handout gets you ahead. No question about it. Take it, it will make your stay that more pleasurable.

But by all means, do the newbie story arc, it's great. It gives you the basics to you to make your own fortune in Eve and write your own tale because in the end it's you, a spaceship and whatever you decide to make of the empty space that lies before you.

All these great null sec moguls tell you the greater excitement lies within the depths of their conquered territories and their great wars. And they are right, it's on the right side of awesome. If you get a chance like the one this thread offers: mentored end game access, near infinite resources, experienced guiding. Take it, taste it, it's a rare good and whatever you end up doing later, it will give you invaluable experience.

Yet there are other ways to play this game.
Truth is, most Eve players don't ever venture into the savage wilds, they stay within the borders of the known world and PVE.

Hah, you say, why would I PVE when I can be a newbie in a rifter tackling a dieing titan that sinks the moral of my enemy below quitting point and thus sees me gaining an epeen rivalling said titan.
Well there is none, of course, you should be enjoying your PVP exploits.

But there is something else in Eve, dwarfing the null sec player base.

It's called PVE.

There is market PVE, which I don't know anything about. It's what the clever and subsequently rich do. Some of our f13 posters are masters of it. Maybe they can share some of their excitement about it.

But that's just the PVE for smart people. There is also PVE for people like me, who aren't really cut out to be e-warriors but do enjoy some space pew-pew against unreal targets of various programmed intelligence.

There are the regular missions which are a certain income once you do level 4's.
You can do exploration encounters, which require some effort to find and are a total lottery but can make you a lot of money.
There are also cosmos missions which you can only do once but boost your standings quite a lot.
Wormhole spaces which are great fun and quite profitable but have some of the hardest PVE enemies in the game.
And of course epic arcs which are long storyline missions who pay quite well but require a certain standing.

70% and more of Eve players are enjoying PVE content and don't bother with null sec warfare. While the great wars are something you'd really want to see. There is also a whole lot going on in the civilised part of the galaxy for people who aren't PVP oriented.

[squirrel]

I hate you people.

I hate you people.

Heh. ISK PLZ?

[Murgos]

Don't be confused, there is no market PVE in Eve. All market interactions in Eve are the distilled purist form of PvP.

Every time you sell or buy you are doing battle and there is a winner and a loser.  That's why the market system in Eve is so robust and so many people never undock from Jita 4-4.

[Kitsune]

Okay, fine, I threw twenty bucks down a hole and will never see it again.

So someone bring me up to speed.  Are these new cruisers worth a damn?  I have sufficient skills to start training into the Legion and Proteus, and sufficient savings to buy one, though it'll be a painful dent.  These are the skills I'm rocking at the moment:


I was getting pretty cozy up to battleships and was starting to branch out into more esoteric ship roles like covert ops and probing and command modules when I quit last, and was running level 3 missions.  I wanted in on the Amarr faction PvP but never got around to it.  Don't even know if that's still going on.

I'm still trying to tally my fleet, as I'm a bit fuzzy on what I owned.  Ships that I know I own are a Harbinger, Arbitrator, Dominix, Armageddon, Retribution, Anathema, a couple Punishers, and that anniversary Apotheosis shuttle.  And I don't remember how to fight in any of them worth even a teensy damn.  Definitely gonna buy insurance before undocking, as I'm very liable to get my ship blown out from under me in under an hour.  And that's in highsec.

[Nerf]

Okay, fine, I threw twenty bucks down a hole and will never see it again.

So someone bring me up to speed.  Are these new cruisers worth a damn?  I have sufficient skills to start training into the Legion and Proteus, and sufficient savings to buy one, though it'll be a painful dent.  These are the skills I'm rocking at the moment:


I was getting pretty cozy up to battleships and was starting to branch out into more esoteric ship roles like covert ops and probing and command modules when I quit last, and was running level 3 missions.  I wanted in on the Amarr faction PvP but never got around to it.  Don't even know if that's still going on.

I'm still trying to tally my fleet, as I'm a bit fuzzy on what I owned.  Ships that I know I own are a Harbinger, Arbitrator, Dominix, Armageddon, Retribution, Anathema, a couple Punishers, and that anniversary Apotheosis shuttle.  And I don't remember how to fight in any of them worth even a teensy damn.  Definitely gonna buy insurance before undocking, as I'm very liable to get my ship blown out from under me in under an hour.  And that's in highsec.

Short answer: Just buy a zealot or an arazu.

Long answer: The t3 cruisers can do some cool shit, like be immune to bubbles and give out battlecruiser fleet bonii while still being somewhat effective combat ships.  However, for the most part, they aren't worth it unless you're just hemorrhaging cash, because they certainly aren't good enough to justify the expense except in a few niche roles. If you really want to fly something expensive and great, train up minmatar cruiser 5 to go along with that gallente cruiser 5 and fly a cynabal.  Post-dominion the cynabal is a vagabond on steroids that just did a massive line of blow off a very attractive hookers ass, and the vagabond was already not to be fucked with.

[Endie]

Anyone wanting in on this, and who is likely to be accepted, should stop shilly-shallying in empire and get their ass to Mars avec toute vitesse because I'm running convoys to the front lines of our new warzone on Saturday (nobody be dumb enough to post times or places ffs).

This is your chance to have fleet and gang PvP on tap from the start.  Make sure you have the skill Propulsion Jamming trained to 1 and your racial frigate skill (eg Amarr Frigate, Minmatar Frigate etc...) trained to 3.  Anything else is a bonus.  We'll get you free tackling frigates sorted out.  Just remember to slap this on the side:

[Nerf]

I made a spreadsheet tonight.  I feel dirty.

[kondratti]

Signed up for pew pews. 

[Rendakor]

Anyone still looking for a newbie to recruit/throw money at? Toss me a buddy invite. I've wanted to try Eve for a while, and I'm finally burnt out on WoW enough to give it a proper shot.

[IainC]

Anyone still looking for a newbie to recruit/throw money at? Toss me a buddy invite. I've wanted to try Eve for a while, and I'm finally burnt out on WoW enough to give it a proper shot.

You need to PM one of the people who are playing and give them your email address for this to happen.

[Rendakor]

Ok, got my buddy invite. Is Steam still the cheapest place to purchase, or did that sale end?

[Amarr HM]

If you follow the link in Nerf's sig you can get pretty good prices, that's where I buy mine.

[Slayerik]

So, looks like I'm going to join up with these guys. Poor bastards....

[trias_e]

I'm going to resub  .  Tiracar is the character.  I already tried this once but never got the chance to do anything fun.  Perhaps this time will be different.