Battlefield: Bad Company 2

[WayAbvPar]

I am about 3 bad deaths away from pbanning everyone who kills me with an M60 or 40mm. My favorite- I am in one of the shipping crates on one of the maps.  A bad guy wanders in front of me and stops ~20 feet away. I fire 2 bursts with my shitty non M60 medic gun. He leaps in the air (bunnyhopping ftl), turns, and kills me with a 40mm grenade, then lands seemingly unharmed. 

[Lounge]

I am about 3 bad deaths away from pbanning everyone who kills me with an M60 or 40mm. My favorite- I am in one of the shipping crates on one of the maps.  A bad guy wanders in front of me and stops ~20 feet away. I fire 2 bursts with my shitty non M60 medic gun. He leaps in the air (bunnyhopping ftl), turns, and kills me with a 40mm grenade, then lands seemingly unharmed. 

Putting the LMG on the medic was a bad call IMO.  They should have swapped out the engi and medic primary weapons for balance reasons.  Although the engi's have a pretty easy time getting points too.

[WayAbvPar]

Giving assault class the ability to perma-spam 40mms was fucking retarded too.

[LK]

Can't understand why jumping and other "throw the bullets off" dodging tactics hasn't been removed from more realistic FPSes completely (if you jump, aim is thrown off wildly, doesn't recover upon landing for a moment, can't Aim Down Sight until you land, YOU ARE UNBALANCED), such that jumping would be relegated to what I envision it to be: getting on top of shit.

That'd be like if your dodge percentage in WoW went up against Hunters if you jumped.

Yeah, I know what the answer is already. It's fun compared to the alternative I've outlined, and it's been grandfathered into the design by devs who didn't see a problem with it.

[Nightblade]

I am about 3 bad deaths away from pbanning everyone who kills me with an M60 or 40mm. My favorite- I am in one of the shipping crates on one of the maps.  A bad guy wanders in front of me and stops ~20 feet away. I fire 2 bursts with my shitty non M60 medic gun. He leaps in the air (bunnyhopping ftl), turns, and kills me with a 40mm grenade, then lands seemingly unharmed. 

Putting the LMG on the medic was a bad call IMO.  They should have swapped out the engi and medic primary weapons for balance reasons.  Although the engi's have a pretty easy time getting points too.

Eh, the Engineer is one of the best running and gunning classes. The SMG Suits him just fine. A silenced weapon helps a lot as you need to run around and act covertly to get behind tanks to rocket / dismantle them with your tool. Getting enemy tank drill kills is hilarious. I love when they pop out of their tank to see what's going on too. The problem here is how inconsistent bullet damage is. Sometimes, you get the jump on someone, hit him a good amount of times, and he either gets away or turns around and insta lames you with a 40mm.

[Pennilenko]

I will say it again, the hardcore damage model fixes many of the things people are upset about.

[Nightblade]

I will say it again, the hardcore damage model fixes many of the things people are upset about.

...No.

Hardcore is like using a 12 inch sword for something that requires a scalpel.

I'll be blunt; In hardcore; I can snipe people with an SMG and a 4x scope. I hope I don't have to explain much more than that.

[Azazel]

One of the biggest fixes this game needs is autobalance for teams.

I've spent all morning getting onto random servers where your typical bunch of PUG-quality chuckleheads stack one side, and the game turns into a POS.



This is made worse by the server stability being so shithouse, and the server list being so buggy that I think a lot of people just spam the "play now" button till they can get into any game. Back in the 1942/DC/BF2 days you'd end up playing on a few conststent servers, and you'd almost have a community of regulars.

[Malakili]

One of the biggest fixes this game needs is autobalance for teams.

I've spent all morning getting onto random servers where your typical bunch of PUG-quality chuckleheads stack one side, and the game turns into a POS.



This is made worse by the server stability being so shithouse, and the server list being so buggy that I think a lot of people just spam the "play now" button till they can get into any game. Back in the 1942/DC/BF2 days you'd end up playing on a few conststent servers, and you'd almost have a community of regulars.

Yeah, hopefully they are getting their shit together when it comes to the server client.  The game is so great when everything clicks, and its even good for a typical pub match, until one team has like 3 people leave.  The teams never get balanced, and then MORE people quit, and then suddenly is 16v9, and then the entire team quits, and then the other team quits, and the server goes from full to dead in 10 minutes.

[HaemishM]

Treating DICE shooters like MMOG's is a good thing - i.e. wait 6 months to purchase it when they've unfucked the server software, the cheats have been mostly fixed, and the price has gone down.

[Engels]

So I just signed up. WayAbvPar and I spent some time somehow managing to find each other and shooting each other. Mucho fun.

Do we have any sorta TS or Vent going on? I didn't hear any active voice chat. Not that its crucial. So far I've only seen 2 f13ers other than myself.

[LK]

Treating DICE shooters like MMOG's is a good thing - i.e. wait 6 months to purchase it when they've unfucked the server software, the cheats have been mostly fixed, and the price has gone down.

Waltzing into a shooter that's been running 6 months is a great way to get curb stomped by the hardcore that will be the only player base remaining after such a time.

[Strazos]

Not sure what people are talking about...works fine for me.

Also, big points when playing as an engineer, and you have an awesome chopper pilot to make runs with.

[climbjtree]

I'm Bat Country just about every day as [f13] rldmoto. There's probably about 3 or 4 of us that are regularly on there.

As far as Vent goes, don't the EVE guys have a server up? Maybe we can just get a room on there.

[Nightblade]

Treating DICE shooters like MMOG's is a good thing - i.e. wait 6 months to purchase it when they've unfucked the server software, the cheats have been mostly fixed, and the price has gone down.

Waltzing into a shooter that's been running 6 months is a great way to get curb stomped by the hardcore that will be the only player base remaining after such a time.

I don't know about that, It's more of how ridiculous this game's unlock system is.

Sad to say, Modern Warfare handled this much better. In MW1, you were handed some good things right out of the gate. This game has body armor, more powerful bullets and really good weaponry... That's only naming a few of the advantages mind you.

[Malakili]

I don't know about that, It's more of how ridiculous this game's unlock system is.

Sad to say, Modern Warfare handled this much better. In MW1, you were handed some good things right out of the gate. This game has body armor, more powerful bullets and really good weaponry... That's only naming a few of the advantages mind you.

I disagree that it is as big a deal.  I mean, there are some nice upgrades, but you can do ok against a person with better unlocks, as they only really come into play when both people see each other and start shooting at the same time.  Skill plays a way bigger role than unlocks though.

[Venkman]

Same is true in MW#.

Only been playing a bit here and there, but so far I find advancement a lot slower. I've only been doing squad deathmatch though. Does this game hand out greater rewards in other scenarios?

[Strazos]

It all depends on what you do. I find it most difficult to advance with recon, out of the 4. The others have non-combat ways to rack up points quickly.

[Venkman]

How do they balance it though? Doesn't seem like shots-per-kill nor getting any sort of XP bonus for making per-weapons achievements like MW1 or 2. What are some ways the game distributes the rewards?

I know this isn't MW, but I've not played nearly enough BF to be familiar with what Dice thinks are worth rewarding for either.

Loving the game either way though. Sure are a lot of Snipers, but I hear that's part of the culture

[Engels]

Sniping seems a lot harder than in other FPS games I've played. The distances can be far longer, and you have to compensate for bullet trajectory decay. Compared to CoD:W@W the game seems to have fewer (in my 24 hours of experience on BC server)

[Nightblade]

Same is true in MW#.

Only been playing a bit here and there, but so far I find advancement a lot slower. I've only been doing squad deathmatch though. Does this game hand out greater rewards in other scenarios?

MW starts you off with some good combos, they give you stopping power right off the bat too.

Bad Company's equivalent of stopping power doesn't come until what, Rank 16?

[ffc]

It all depends on what you do. I find it most difficult to advance with recon, out of the 4. The others have non-combat ways to rack up points quickly.

Throwing your sensor ball into a hot area as a Recon can get you points for motion assisted kills.

Sniping seems a lot harder than in other FPS games I've played. The distances can be far longer, and you have to compensate for bullet trajectory decay.

Sniping is too easy (PS3).  Recon's start with a great rifle and get better with higher powered scopes and auto-spotting.  Now that I've found some good spots on Rush maps it's trivial to keep objectives clear.  Adding sway to the scope would tone things down, accounting for distance isn't enough.

And the Medic's M60 is too much of a killing beast.  When I switch to Assault or Engineer from Medic it's always a shock when an enemy doesn't immediately die.

[fuser]

Just an update regards bat country. The upgrades EA/DICE preformed over the weekend defiantly had an effect on server population. People are staying connected longer and it seems most stability issues are resolved. At 8pm last night it seems the game server blewup and restarted which has been normal instability issues all along. At the same time i turned off punkbuster (again) as DICE has been advising game server providers it should improve stability. I played a few rounds last night and for some reason (it could be a placebo effect) but bullet hits seem to be registering better and less lag.

Server latest stats.

Whats been curious is the day Bat Country went up is the day DICE/EA restricted game server providers from attaching any new servers. So customers/clans have been unable to get any new servers created for well over a week now. I don't know if they are opening up further servers this week or not but I hope they get further stability under the belt before opening it up to more.

[LK]

Server latest stats.

Status: Alive

I found that descriptor to be humorous for some reason.

[WayAbvPar]

When do you think it will allow multiple game types in the rotation? I am sick to death of the 5 Conquest maps (especially the one where my retarded team always gets camped into its starting spot  ).

[Nightblade]

When do you think it will allow multiple game types in the rotation? I am sick to death of the 5 Conquest maps (especially the one where my retarded team always gets camped into its starting spot  ).

Conquest with 32 people is almost as bad as Dustbowl with 32 people and no engineer limit.

[Malakili]

When do you think it will allow multiple game types in the rotation? I am sick to death of the 5 Conquest maps (especially the one where my retarded team always gets camped into its starting spot  ).

Conquest with 32 people is almost as bad as Dustbowl with 32 people and no engineer limit.

Not even a comparison in my opinion, though it can get a bit cramped on the smaller maps. 

Also, on another note, has anyone crashed today a lot? 

[Strazos]

Sniping is too easy (PS3).  Recon's start with a great rifle and get better with higher powered scopes and auto-spotting.  Now that I've found some good spots on Rush maps it's trivial to keep objectives clear.  Adding sway to the scope would tone things down, accounting for distance isn't enough.

I think I found your problem.

[WayAbvPar]

Wow there are some unholy catasses in this game. I have played a ton, and I am seeing people 20-30 levels higher than me. That is fucking insane.

[Malakili]

Wow there are some unholy catasses in this game. I have played a ton, and I am seeing people 20-30 levels higher than me. That is fucking insane.

Yeah, looking at the ladder makes me sad, or scared, or both, because I feel like i've played too much since it came out, and people make me look like a noob in terms of time played/rank.

[Modern Angel]

The top dude in the world had about 130 hours played as of three days ago when I checked. That's obscene and well over even what I expect of the worst MMO catasses I've met.

[Strazos]

Must be nice to be unemployed and independently wealthy.

[Engels]

Wow, we got a whole other clan come play with us this afternoon. Essentially, they were so organized that if you weren't on their team, you got beat. Handily. Not complaining, since they did nothing wrong other than being organized. I suspect they are all on Vent or something, because battles that should last 20 minutes were lasting 10.

[Strazos]

They were stacking real bad on half the maps...like 3:2.

[Malakili]

Wow, we got a whole other clan come play with us this afternoon. Essentially, they were so organized that if you weren't on their team, you got beat. Handily. Not complaining, since they did nothing wrong other than being organized. I suspect they are all on Vent or something, because battles that should last 20 minutes were lasting 10.

Yeah, whenever my clan gets together in a pub is free points basically, as a team working together on vent is just going to flat beat a bunch of people doing their own thing.  Of course, I've been on the other side of things and it gets tiresome real quick to lose to a team like that, especially when you are used to being on the other side.