Operation Flashpoint 2

[NiX]

With the release coming up next week, I figured I would see if anyone from f13 was going to get it. With Co-op and crazy multiplayer, it's looking like the game will shape up to be something nice, a lot more appealing than launch day ArmA. Some of the new videos are pretty damn sexy.

So, whose going to war?

[tgr]

I'll probably get it just for the SP war, but I'm /SO/ going to get it. Realistic wargames? 

Seriously, I've got opflash, all addons, arma, arma2, and opflash2 seems to be arma2 with even better graphics and possibly less CPU requirement and ... hopefully less bugs. Although that might be wishing for the moon.

[schpain]

i am most definitely in.  What platform you going for, i'm PC because potentially then i can rope Megrim and a couple of others in.

Also i read somewhere that the multi is maximum 8 v 8 for consoles but up to 32 v 32 on pc, so naturally we want to go larger.  also thumbsticks 

[NiX]

PC. Realism and thumb sticks is nonsensical.

[Azazel]

Watched the video, looks good (except for that last bit where the Exec Producer brings out an M4 with the carrying handle on the foregrip rail and awkwardly cocks the .45) 

however.

Doesn't Codemasters traditionally = Starforce?

 

[tgr]

Doesn't Codemasters traditionally = Starforce?

 

Good point. I think they stopped using starforce a while back, however, you did remind me that I must be very vigilant when I'm buying it.

My take on it is, if it has starforce or online activations, then I won't be buying it. I like to buy my games, not rent them.

Having said that, I desperately hope they won't put any of that crap on, because I desperately want this game, if only to see how much better/worse it is compared to arma2.

[NiX]

Last I heard they had dropped Starforce because of the backlash.

[Sky]

Eh, I'm not revisiting the series. I was a huge fan of the original, but playing the Arma2 demo reminded me of all the crap I put up with to enjoy it, and it's just not my thing anymore. Know thyself.

[Megrim]

For those of us who haven't played it before, can you give some examples?

[NiX]

I don't see how putting up with crap from another game that was made by an entirely different team reflects on OpFlash2. Not to mention they've said it isn't 100% sim and is the reason they put in Hardcore mode.

[NiX]

Computer and Video Games has put up their review giving it a 9.0, which we know is arbitrary and says nothing about the game.

Rundown:

- Not buggy or bogged with performance issues like ArmA II
- Some console undertones (checkpoints, squad mates respawning at said checkpoints, radial menu)
- Hardcore mode resembles the OpFlash of yore (No hud, no saves, no mercy)
- Game is challenging without being unforgiving
- AI is reasonable enough not to ruin the experience

Avoid the comments section. The console undertones comment in the review makes console people nerd rage.

There's also a Co-op Diary here that's a decent read. Some of the stuff that stood out to me:

Having consulted the controls menu, Tim discovered we could kill the lights and engine and we coasted to within 500 metres of the target.

Having sent Avery around one side of the bunker, while he sneaked around the other, when they both popped out to face the enemy they discovered a PLA soldier crying on his knees.

[Engels]

I'm quite curious about this game's multiplayer. I still play CoDWaW, and am looking forward to a new one before the new CoD comes out. I'm a bit hesitant about vehicles in multiplayer mode, since in CoDWaW its basically a really silly immersion breaking mechanic that's disabled on most tactical servers.

[NiX]

Two very different types of shooters.

[Engels]

I understand that OF is geared towards a higher degree of realism, whereas the CoD line angles for the twitch fun crowd. Since I like my CoD 'toned down' and only play on tactical crouch servers, I'm hoping that this game will meet the need without having to resort to artificial player imposed rules such as 'no noob tubes' and 'no bunny hopping'.

[UnSub]

If it is anything like OpF 1, bunny hopping serves absolutely no good use. Better to get down and crawl into cover.

[Azazel]

I enjoy the slower pace of game to CoD. I don't care too much for insta-gibs that reward twitchy experts though, since I'm probably not as twitchy as I was 5 or 10 years ago. Battlefield 1942/Desert Combat/BF2 is about as fast as I like to get.

[Engels]

That's why I have switched from CoD4 to CoDW@W. It is slower, for the most part. After months of playing W@W, I went back to CoD4 for lark, and go killed repeatedly before I could ever get into any sort of defensive position. That said, W@W has its own unique issues, such as a ridiculously accurate 357. If your screen is large enough to see the vaguest of pixel movement half a mile away, you can essentially snipe with it. Many tactical servers prohibit the use of side arms for that reason.

Anyways, if OF2 has a multiplayer that rewards caution instead of run-and-gun, then I will be purchasing it.

[NiX]

The game is based around rewarding caution. Run and gun serves only to get you and your squad killed.

[Xuri]

That's why I have switched from CoD4 to CoDW@W. It is slower, for the most part. After months of playing W@W, I went back to CoD4 for lark, and go killed repeatedly before I could ever get into any sort of defensive position. That said, W@W has its own unique issues, such as a ridiculously accurate 357. If your screen is large enough to see the vaguest of pixel movement half a mile away, you can essentially snipe with it. Many tactical servers prohibit the use of side arms for that reason.

Ahh. Flashback to days of old and DeltaForce 1 snipe-wars with 480x300 resolutions or some such. Basically, the lower resolution you had the easier it was to spot opponents at a distance.

[Mavor]

 This game has no dedicated server capability. It's going into an early grave.

[Megrim]

 

[tgr]

Wait, what? 

At least ArmA2 has a dedicated server so we can setup what we want on LAN parties, so all is not lost. Just have to wait a few years while they fix bugs. 

[Engels]

Is this a hard thing to add on? The code for a dedicated server seems something that's older tech. It simply keeps track of users visiting, scores on that particular server, etc, no? Or is it more complex than that?

[NiX]

So far it's ok. I think I need to get used to the radial menu and using it to better utilize my squad. Also, do NOT alt+tab if you have Windows 7. Instantly makes the game not respond.

[climbjtree]

I will most certainly be picking this up when I get back. I leave here in just under 30 days and should touch down in NC mid November.

NiX, you and I shall co-op the shit out of this game.

[NiX]

NiX, you and I shall co-op the shit out of this game.

Done! You can tell me how terrible of a soldier I'd make

[Mavor]

 And i would just like to add... they shipped with no anti-cheat, no cd-key support, and only two maps for each mode (deathmatch and infiltration respectively).

 So... most of the people playing right now have downloaded the game through a torrent site, and are probably also aimbotting and wall hacking.

 And the worst part is, I doubt CM cares enough about their multiplayer to do anything about the hacks.

 They didn't ship with CD-key verification for multiplayer.

 

 Seriously. Someone else on the official forums said it best:

 "Back to BF2 and project realism for me."

[Engels]

 

[Lucas]

I will definitely play this on hardcore mode (personally, I'm only interested in the single-player experience, but hey, might try multiplayer). Can't wait.

[NiX]

Seconded. Game comes out and Day 1 someone is whining about pirates with wallhacks and aimbots.

[Azazel]

Awesome. I guess I won't worry about this one too much then.

[Teleku]

Guess I'll just torrent it and see how I like it  .

[Engels]

Game comes out and Day 1 someone is whining about pirates with wallhacks and aimbots.

Not sure I get your intent, but really, if you release a shooter with multiplayer, for crying out loud, put some work into it! Does it even use punkbuster or some hack prevention? Because not having a dedicated server doesn't necessarily mean its a vulnerable environment. Of course, only shipping with two maps? That's just out and out clownshoes unless there's a significant campaign editor players can create maps with.

It very much looks like I'll be waiting til Nov 11 for CoDMW2

[NiX]

Not sure I get your intent, but really, if you release a shooter with multiplayer, for crying out loud, put some work into it! Does it even use punkbuster or some hack prevention? Because not having a dedicated server doesn't necessarily mean its a vulnerable environment. Of course, only shipping with two maps? That's just out and out clownshoes unless there's a significant campaign editor players can create maps with.

It very much looks like I'll be waiting til Nov 11 for CoDMW2

I thought you were facepalming to the bitching. My mistake, but the lack of dedicated does mean that you can't really put out a reliable anti-cheat system. Without a persistent system that's constantly updated, you're pretty much fighting a losing battle and heading back to days of yore where people would just not update to stick with a certain version they liked.

[Engels]

So in your opinion the bitching is misguided because the game never aimed at a multiplayer audience? Not trying to be snarky here; I have no problem if the game was specifically designed for single player play only.