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Ozzu
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on: October 01, 2009, 02:09:16 PM

League of Legends - v09.25.24

New Features

    * New Tutorial Now Playable: Tutorial is a new option choice after selecting Play from the landing page
    * New Announcer System: New Announcer Voice and New Announcement Text. The audio levels for the new announcer do not match the old levels. Players that have changed their default audio settings may want to adjust the volume levels in game to match the following list. 100 means the slider is all the way to the right and 50 means the slider is in the middle:
          o Master Volume: 100
          o Music: 50
          o Sound Effects: 100
          o Characters: 50
          o Announcer: 50
    * New Alternate Attack Animations: Now certain champions have alternate and critical strike attack animations. We will be adding more animations for more champions in future releases
    * Players who disconnect or leave a game prematurely will have their character automatically use Recall back to base.
    * Pets can now be controlled after selecting them with a left mouse click. Left clicking elsewhere or pressing escape will return selection to the hero. (Original Pet control through alt clicking is still in place and can be used instead)



Champions

    * A New Champion Approaches: Nasus, the Curator of the Sands
          o Siphoning Strike: Nasus strikes his foe, dealing damage and increasing the power of his future Siphoning Strikes if he slays his target.
          o Wither: Nasus ages his target, decelerating their movement and attack speeds over 5 seconds.
          o Spirit Fire: Nasus unleashes a delayed spirit flame at a location, dealing damage and reducing the armor of enemies who stand on it.
          o Avatar of Death: Nasus assumes his true form, the Avatar of Death. While in this form he gains additional Health and Attack Speed, and drains nearby enemies' max health and converts it into bonus damage for the duration of the skill.
          o Soul Eater (Passive): Nasus drains his foe's spiritual energy, giving him a natural Lifesteal.


    * Anivia
          o Glacial Storm
                + Now cancels if Anivia is stunned/silenced
          o Flast Frost
                + Timer before Flash Frost can explode reduced by .2 seconds
          o Crystalize
                + Reduced the duration of the push effect
          o Frost Bite
                + Reduced Base Damage from 55/90/125/160/195 to 55/85/115/145/175
          o Rebirth
                + Now goes on cooldown even when it doesn't complete


    * Annie
          o Incinerate
                + Increased Ability Power Ratio from .5 to .6
          o Summon: Tibbers
                + Increased Ability Power Ratio from .6 to .7


    * Blitzcrank
          o Static Field
                + No longer silences
                + Reduced Cooldown from 60 to 40
          o Rocket Grab
                + Increased Projectile Speed from 1550 to 1800


    * Corki
          o Stats
                + Reduced Base Mana Regen from .88 to .8
                + Reduced Mana Regen per Level from .08 to .07
          o Phosphorous Bomb
                + Reduced Blind Miss Chance from 50% to 35%
                + Increased Mana Cost from 60/75/90/105/120 to 70/85/100/115/130
          o Gatling Gun
                + Reduced Damage % from 33 to 25
          o Valkyrie
                + Reduced Ability Power Ratio from .8 to .4
          o Missile Barrage
                + Increased Cooldown between new missiles from 12 to 14
                + Increased Mana cost from 15/20/25 to 20/25/30


    * Dr Mundo
          o Stats
                + Increased Armor per Level from 3.5 to 4
          o Infected Cleaver
                + Increased Projectile Speed from 1500 to 2000
                + Reduced Projectile Size from 90 to 80


    * Evelynn
          o Shadow Walk
                + Increased Duration from 12/18/24/30/36 to 20/30/40/50/60


    * Fiddlesticks
          o Terrify
                + Reduced Duration from 1.5/2/2.5/3/3.5 to 1/1.5/2/2.5/3
                + Reduced Cooldown from 15 to 12.5
          o Drain
                + Reduced Maximum Duration from 8 to 6
                + Reduced Cooldown from 15 to 12
          o Dark Wind
                + Reduced Damage from 115 to 100
                + Reduced Silence from 1 + 1 sec per stack to .75 + .75 sec per stack
                + Reduced Cooldown from 18 to 15
          o Crowstorm: (Remake) Now targets a location to teleport to when channeling completes (built in mini flash)
          o Passive (Remake): negative Magic Resist Aura Debuff


    * Gangplank
          o Stats
                + Lowered Base Armor from 22 to 20
                + Increased Armor per Level from 2.2 to 2.8
                + Lowered Base Crit from 3.7 to 3
                + Increased Magic Resist per Level from 0 to 1.25
          o Cannon Barrage
                + Increased Damage per Cannonball from 150/200/250 to 160/220/280
                + Increased Slow % from 40/50/60 to 40/55/70


    * Janna
          o Changed name from the Avatar of Air to the Storm's Fury
          o Zephyr
                + Increased Cast Speed
                + Now properly labeled as a slowing spell


    * Katarina
          o Stats
                + Added 1.25 Magic Resist per level
          o Bouncing Blades
                + Increased Healing Reduction duration from 3 to 7
          o Killer Instinct
                + Modified Cooldown from 20 to 23/21/19/17/15
                + Changed Stacking Attack Speed to Stacking +4/5/6/7/8 Damage
          o Shunpo
                + Now applies damage after the teleport
                + Can no longer Shunpo to yourself
                + Reduced Ability Power Ratio from 1 to .8
                + Fixed a bug that caused Katarina to have a mana bar
                + Now slows for 15% with Rylai's Scepter
          o Death Lotus
                + Now slows for 15% with Rylai's Scepter
                + Now scales on either 20% of Ability Power of 15% or Physical Damage (whichever is higher)
          o Updated Recommended Items


    * Kayle
          o Righteous Fury
                + Adjusted values to be 6/12/18/24/30 Damage with 20/25/30/35/40% Cleave
                + Now Instant Cast
          o Intervention
                + Increased Cast Range from 800 to 1300
                + Increased Invunerability Duration from 4 to 4/5/6
                + Modified Mana Cost from 80 to 100/75/50
                + Increased Cooldown from 60/50/40 to 75/60/45
          o Holy Fervor
                + Name changed to Vengeance
                + Increased Attack Speed Bonus per stack from 20% to 25%
          o Reckoning
                + Now deals a bonus 25% Damage if Vengeance is Active
          o Divine Blessing
                + Increased Heal from 60/90/120/150/180 to 60/95/130/165/200
          o Updated Recommended Items


    * Morgana
          o Black Shield
                + Reduced Shield Amount from 100/200/300/400/500 to 100/150/200/250/300
                + Increased Cooldown from 14 to 15
          o Dark Binding
                + Reduced Duration from 3/3.25/3.5/3.75/4 to 2.5/2.75/3/3.25/3.5
                + Reduced Range from 1400 to 1300
          o Tormented Soil
                + Reduced Cooldown from 14 to 12


    * Nunu
          o Absolute Zero
                + Reduced Duration from 4 to 3
                + Reduced Damage from 500/750/1000 to 375/550/750
                + Increased Slow % from 40 to 45%


    * Rammus
          o Powerball
                + Made it easier to hit immobile targets


    * Ryze
          o Desperate Power
                + Now properly shows the particle


    * Singed
          o Poison Trail
                + Increased Damage from 20/30/40/50/60 to 22/34/46/58/70
          o Insanity Potion
                + Replaced missing tooltip
          o Empowered Bulwark
                + Reduced Mana to Health Ratio from 30% to 25%


    * Sion
          o Death's Caress
                + Can now be deactivated after 2 seconds!!!
                + Cooldown changed to 8 seconds after spell ends


    * Soraka
          o Infuse
                + Now deals 80% of the mana restore in damage (.4 Ability Power Ratio)
          o Starcall
                + Reduced Cast Time


    * Tristana
          o Detonating Shot
                + Now properly costs mana
          o Rocket Jump
                + Now procs effects of AoE spells


    * Tryndamere
          o Slash
                + Fixed an issue with it not working when out of range

    * Twisted Fate
          o Pick a Card
                + Fixed double red/gold carding issues
                + Added Ability Power Ratio

    * Twitch
          o General
                + Increased Acquisition Range from 475 to 600
          o Spray and Pray
                + Increased Projectile Speed from 1600 to 2800
                + Updated Tooltip to properly state that all targets take 100% damage
                + Made Spray and Pray more accurate
                + Increased Width from 50 to 60


Items

    * NEW: Deathfire Grasp: Mid Tier Ability Power / Magic Resist Item: When you hit a unit with a spell, you damage it for 10% of their current health (5% for multi target spells). Deals reduced damage if your last cast was fewer than 4 seconds ago
    * NEW: Brutalizer: Low Tier Damage / Armor Penetration Item: 10% Cooldown Reduction
    * Elixir of Fortitude: Modified Health from 350 to 230 - 400 (based on level)
    * Elixir of Agility: Modified Critical Strike % from 20 to 12 - 21 (based on level)
    * Thornmail: Now reflects damage calculated before Armor
    * Mejai's Soulstealer: Now gains 5 Ability Power on Assist
    * Heart of Gold: Reduced Sell Back from 70% to 50%
    * Banshee's Veil: Increased Cooldown from 25 to 30
    * Rylai's Scepter: Reduced Single Target Slow from 40% to 35%
    * Nashor's Tooth
          o Removed Blasting Wand component, Replaced with Fiendish Codex
          o Increased Cooldown Reduction from 20 to 25%
    * Ruby Sphere
          o Reduced Cost from 500 to 475
          o Reduced Health from 215 to 200
    * Blasting Wand: Reduced Cost from 880 to 860
    * Boots of Mobility
          o Fixed an issue causing you to retain the movement speed 5 despite dealing damage
          o Reduced movement speed 5 reset time from 7 to 5
          o Updated Tooltip
    * Madred's Bloodrazor: Increased Max Health damage from 2% to 2.5%
    * Last Whisper: Reduced Combine Cost from 750 to 500
    * Rejuvination Bead: Reduced Health Regen from 10 to 8 per 5
    * Doran's Shield: Reduced Health Regen from 10 to 8 per 5
    * Regrowth Pendant: Reduced Health Regen from 17.25 to 14 per 5
    * Philosopher Stone
          o Reduced Health Regen from 28 to 22.5 per 5
          o Reduced Mana Regen from 12 to 10 per 5


Summoners

    * New Spell: Ignite: Deals 50 damage plus 25 damage per level over 5 seconds. This damage is not lowered by armor or magic resistance.
    * New Spell: Clarity: Restores 100 + 15 x level Mana to your Champion and 50% of that to nearby allies.
    * New Mastery: Burning Embers: While your Ignite spell is on cooldown, your champion has an additional 10 ability power.
    * New Mastery: Insight: Clarity will now grant 100% of mana to allies.
    * Teleport: Increased Cooldown from 4 minutes to 5
    * Cleanse: Reduced Cooldown from 120 to 100
    * Fortify: Now applies Splash Damage


Turrets

    * Moved Turrets to allow players to path around them on Summoner Rift
    * Turrets can no longer be dodged
    * Rotated Turrets to face the proper direction
    * Decreased Global XP from 300 to 270
    * Decreased Attack Range from 750 to 700
    * Turrets now gain scaling damage per hit against champions
          o 1st shot = 75% damage
          o Each additional shot increases damage by 25% (200% cap)
          o Damage bonus clears after 4 seconds of not attacking a champion


HUD Changes and Optimizations

    * Shop: Higher level item builds are now on the top instead of the right hand side
    * Shop: The home button in the left pane was changed to a icon
    * Top Bar: Kill/Death/Assist labels were changed to icons: Dagger, Skull and Hand respectively
    * Character Info: Re-skinned the borders for the character info to match the look of the interface
    * Character Info: Widened the window
    * Options window(s): Widened the window
    * Optimizations to performance of the HUD at lower frame rates
    * Added Stop V and when holding down Hold H it works like stop until its lifted.


General

    * Fixed a bug which made some icons show up with incorrect colors.
    * Baron Nashor: Can no longer be outranged by Lich, Tristana, or Cardmaster
    * Recall: Now has a buff icon and sound
    * Summoning Beacon particles at the start of the game.
    * Load Time Optimizations
    * Bandwidth Optimizations
    * Crash Bug Fixes
    * Fixed a problem with units rotating during attacks at odd times
    * Fixed a bug with pathfinding related to pathing through Brush
    * Multiple clicking for movement fixed (ie the system no-longer ignores clicks)
    * Reduced the size League of Legends takes up on disk
    * Client memory footprint improvements
    * Corpses no longer grant sight client side (FOW bug)



PVP.net v0.27.105

    * Added Support for the New Tutorial
    * Fixed a bug where new accounts would not get XP after their first game played
    * Removed the Buddies Tab from the Summoner Profile
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Reply #1 on: October 01, 2009, 02:22:27 PM

A NEW PERMANENT EARLY GAME SPELL APPROACHES.

Heal VS Ignite: Battle for Ganking, GO!

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   * New Mastery: Burning Embers: While your Ignite spell is on cooldown, your champion has an additional 10 ability power.

SO TAKEN, eat me heal.

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   * Mejai's Soulstealer: Now gains 5 Ability Power on Assist

LORDY LORDY LORDY

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   * NEW: Deathfire Grasp: Mid Tier Ability Power / Magic Resist Item: When you hit a unit with a spell, you damage it for 10% of their current health (5% for multi target spells). Deals reduced damage if your last cast was fewer than 4 seconds ago

Daddy like.

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 * Nashor's Tooth
          o Removed Blasting Wand component, Replaced with Fiendish Codex
          o Increased Cooldown Reduction from 20 to 25%

My build just changed.

In other news:
Philosopher Stone no longer worth taking.
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   * Last Whisper: Reduced Combine Cost from 750 to 500
Last Whisper now very worth it.

Teemo and Kassadin remain untouched.

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    * Turrets can no longer be dodged
No longer tower diving with Teemo.

Kayle got buffed, niiiiice. Welcome back Bhodi.

Twisted Fate fixed. Corki is now as lame as pre-buff Master Yi.


« Last Edit: October 01, 2009, 02:26:49 PM by schild »
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Reply #2 on: October 01, 2009, 02:30:13 PM

So playing Blitzcrank again after the claw speed was restored.  Too bad about silence but not a big surprise really.  He had too many disables.  Really makes it one of the lamest ult's in the game now but it was all about claw to punch for me anyways and he has one of the best passives.  Kayle gets a minor overhaul compared to the last one but some big changes again.  Back to the drawing board.

Fuck you Morgana, that makes me feel a bit better.  That cooldown is still low as hell but sucks for her about the dark binding nerfs.  Fuck you Card Master, yes please.  Nunu ult gets a big fuck you.  Hell yes.  I think I'll try Corki out now that he's been nerfed at least once.  Giving up Fiddlesticks since I was terrible with him and apparently he was good enough to warrant a nerf.  Gangplank's ult wasn't good enough?  I'm really tired of that fucking pirate.

New hero, visually he feels a little rushed, I sort of like his voice and sayings but all his effects seem sort of meh.  I can't tell how OP he is, I don't think he's as bad as the last two but nobody knows how to build him yet so who knows.

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Reply #3 on: October 01, 2009, 02:37:11 PM

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So playing Blitzcrank again after the claw speed was restored.
Still an ugly character.

I'm going to try Nasus when I get home, but I can't really say how excited I am about him based on the description. Every single new character since and including Kassadin feels rushed. Mundo, Blitz, and Janna are exceptionally bad and make Maphite and Kass look better by comparison.
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Reply #4 on: October 01, 2009, 03:04:44 PM

His overall look is just not that detailed, same problem Blitz has though Blitz just has a goofy walk animation coupled with strange design.  Janna is really lame looking too.  Nasus though needs some more detail and an actual color scheme but also his attack animations/effects are garbage.  Which isn't true of the other new characters except Mundo.  Also I think Corki and Katarina were well done visually.

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Reply #5 on: October 01, 2009, 03:20:38 PM

A friend of mine who plays Eve a lot is really happy about her stealth now lasting as long as Twitch's. Seems like a pretty powerful buff for her.
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Reply #6 on: October 01, 2009, 04:14:47 PM

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Crowstorm: (Remake) Now targets a location to teleport to when channeling completes (built in mini flash)

I actually said "wow" when I read that.
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Reply #7 on: October 01, 2009, 09:42:32 PM

Oh shit I forgot how much I love playing as Blitzcrank, its just too much fun using skill shots.

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Reply #8 on: October 02, 2009, 10:26:29 AM

Kayle still sucks, adding a bit of damage back into her 'turn me into a ranged attacker' ability is not enough, they completely missed the point, it has to be +AP damage so it also increases when you stack it for reckoning (her main damage+slow ability). The addition back in of retribution damage when one of your fellow hero dies is also not enough, it should be a stun like before. They're trying to make her back into what she was because they CLEARLY failed (NO ONE plays her) but they are failing at that, too.

Her 4 second invincibility ultimate is still annoying to use (beyond the huge cooldown) since you have to click on your character. Good luck doing that in a melee. Maybe there's a way to select your character with a keybind and I don't know it? R <space>? That would make things a lot easier.

New character seems OK, fairly mediocre.

The thing I am most sad about is the philosopher's stone nerf.

Twitch is stupid ridiculously overpowered now. His ultimate makes him the new corki. Expect to see him in every single game.
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Reply #9 on: October 02, 2009, 10:55:31 AM

I agree with Bhodi, somewhat, the problem is you can't currently make all of Kayle's abilities even passible late game.  Either the flaming sword or the nuke are completely worthless I always just build for the nuke/heal now and ignore the flaming sword except for slightly less sad creep killing.

The new character's slow is stupid, when does that get nerfed exactly?  Otherwise he seems ok but not too imba, too early to tell though.

Fuck I love Blitzcrank.  I need to figure out though how to build him, don't know if I should go for Attack Damage or Ability Power.

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Reply #10 on: October 02, 2009, 11:26:52 AM

The new characters slow is OP and his Ultimate isn't terribly useful until the late game. His Q ability would be great if 1: It was more than 1 damage (even 2 would make it useful) and 2: The tooltip actually f'ing updated when you used it. Of course, now we have to wait a week for fixes, which in a game that is all about balance is a goddamn eternity.

Also, he's uuuuugggggggly.
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Reply #11 on: October 02, 2009, 12:31:49 PM

Riot seems to be in heavy crunch mode. I'm sure they will get things back on track after launch. I've got my digital edition ordered from Riot and I'm waiting until then.

Also October belongs to Borderlands anyway. I think I'm going to end up with like 4-5 copies of it by the time all is said and done...

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Reply #12 on: October 02, 2009, 01:14:41 PM

Twitch is stupid ridiculously overpowered now. His ultimate makes him the new corki. Expect to see him in every single game.

He's still my main champ and honestly, I still don't use his ulti at all. It's only useful if you're standing toe to toe with a melee or standing behind a tower and wanting to pepper people trying to take down your tower. I still prefer just popping out of stealth, dropping a few arrows into people, and then expunge to finish.
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Reply #13 on: October 02, 2009, 02:04:15 PM

It becomes overpowered in mid to late game melee scuffles. The damn thing does 100% damage to everyone in a line and you can hit 3 or 4 heroes with it while being too far away to be in any danger yourself.
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Reply #14 on: October 05, 2009, 12:48:13 PM

AP Sion is so much fun to play.

Schild I think we found a tank you would enjoy.
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Reply #15 on: October 05, 2009, 03:06:26 PM

AP Sion is so broken.  Highest probability of nerf in the game not counting obvious bugs.  The shield is fucking retarded right now.

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Reply #16 on: October 05, 2009, 03:07:01 PM

The new announcer is Eww.
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Reply #17 on: October 05, 2009, 04:26:40 PM

AP Sion is so broken.  Highest probability of nerf in the game not counting obvious bugs.  The shield is fucking retarded right now.
I just tried him in a practice game.

The only reason I hadn't noticed him being so retarded is because Kassadin and Teemo are probably the two best counters for his skank ass in the game (blind or mute), so he never effected me. Having just tried him - lolbroken. I will not be playing Sion. At level 1 with a full AP book he was one hitting full creep waves.
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Reply #18 on: October 06, 2009, 01:35:27 AM

AP Sion is so broken.  Highest probability of nerf in the game not counting obvious bugs.  The shield is fucking retarded right now.
I just tried him in a practice game.

The only reason I hadn't noticed him being so retarded is because Kassadin and Teemo are probably the two best counters for his skank ass in the game (blind or mute), so he never effected me. Having just tried him - lolbroken. I will not be playing Sion. At level 1 with a full AP book he was one hitting full creep waves.
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Reply #19 on: October 06, 2009, 09:52:50 AM

Even with that change, sion will be well worth playing. In fact, if that hotfix was accurate, I was already playing him with the bugfix.

Also, kassadin does not cancel the shield except through damage. I ate a kassadin alive last night.
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Reply #20 on: October 06, 2009, 10:52:56 AM

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Also, kassadin does not cancel the shield except through damage. I ate a kassadin alive last night.

Oh, that my be why also since I do well over 300 damage by level 4 with my mute.
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Reply #21 on: October 06, 2009, 12:16:12 PM

Wait, how much does a full AP book give?
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Reply #22 on: October 06, 2009, 12:19:54 PM

Wait, how much does a full AP book give?

+26.

Sooooo:
Null Sphere - Kassadin fires an ethereal bolt of void energy, dealing damage and silencing the target for the duration.
Kassadin fires a void bolt dealing 80 / 130 / 180 / 230 / 280 (+1 per ability power) magic damage and silencing the target for 1 / 1 / 2 / 2 / 3 seconds.
Cooldown
    9 seconds
Cost
    70 / 80 / 90 / 100 / 110 Mana
Range
    700

Level 1, 3, and 4 I put into Null sphere. So base 180 damage. Ignite is always on cooldown (I tend to waste it on mobs if no one is within range, so +10. Blasting Rod generally by level 3, worst case 4. Tome at level 1.

180+10+26+20+40: So 276 base, though I generally have boots ~4 also, so unless I'm getting eaten alive: 301.

Edit: Teemo's blinding dart has base 190, so same thing there.

Edit: Also, I get a decent bump from my runebooks (maxed out everything that uses AP, so I start the game at 63 base AP with Ignite on cooldown).
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Reply #23 on: October 06, 2009, 12:30:23 PM

Ya, I'm starting to feel that a max AP runebook might be more beneficial than a max cooldown runebook.
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Reply #24 on: October 06, 2009, 12:38:38 PM

Yep, I play a good sion. Best char so far I think. I was playing him after that hotfix last night, I never got a chance to see "broken" sion I guess.

My AP book is half @level18 and half base. If I wasn't so lazy I'd switch it to all @level18 since I don't start ganking or harassing seriously until level 7 or so.
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Reply #25 on: October 06, 2009, 09:28:02 PM

The full @18 AP book gives +78 AP at 18 in case anyone was wondering.
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Reply #26 on: October 06, 2009, 10:01:11 PM

The full @18 AP book gives +78 AP at 18 in case anyone was wondering.

Early game advantage is king given the pacing of LoL, I really can't stress that enough.
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Reply #27 on: October 06, 2009, 10:40:21 PM

I keep explaining that the break even point is level 7, and for SOME characters, you farm until that level anyway.
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Reply #28 on: October 06, 2009, 11:01:29 PM

I keep explaining that the break even point is level 7, and for SOME characters, you farm until that level anyway.

You should explain it some more.
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Reply #29 on: October 06, 2009, 11:53:53 PM

No, I think you get it, you just don't want to believe.

Count how many kills you get before, say, level 5. And don't count games against scrubs. Now, count how many kills you get level 6 and above. Notice that the fighting/farming ratio is skewed to farming early game and fighting late game. Thus, you want runes that help you fight better late game and you want ones that get increasingly better as you level.

Early game doesn't mean shit in real matchups, it only means anything if you're able to get a few levels worth of lead on players who suck anyway. The ONLY runes that conceivably are worth taking early game (for tanks at least) are HP runes, and there is no scaling option for them. In real matchups, it's rare to see deaths before level 6 where the carries get their gank ultimates.

Hell, kassadin is a perfect example, he doesn't get his blink until level 6. You've said you don't go for ganks until you get it, so fill your book with @18 so that by time you start ganking, you're already almost as strong with a scaling book as you would be with a flat book.

Hell, a lot of games you're stuck at level 18 for half the game. +75 AP sure comes in handy late game when you've got zhonya's ring and all those AP multipliers!
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Reply #30 on: October 07, 2009, 12:28:45 AM

There are different scales though, some runes the /18 doesn't break even until L10 some L4.  The level six ones are a toss up imo, depends on what stat and if the bonus means dick compared to what you get from a 400g item.

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Reply #31 on: October 07, 2009, 10:47:16 AM

Hell, kassadin is a perfect example, he doesn't get his blink until level 6. You've said you don't go for ganks until you get it, so fill your book with @18 so that by time you start ganking, you're already almost as strong with a scaling book as you would be with a flat book.

Hell, a lot of games you're stuck at level 18 for half the game. +75 AP sure comes in handy late game when you've got zhonya's ring and all those AP multipliers!
I don't buy Zhonya's ring much anymore. I generally go for Frozen Heart or Armor & that goddamn staff I can never remember the name of. The one that makes 2% of your health attack power. Fairly useful when you have just under 4,000 health. 350-400 AP and 200-250 Attack is a pretty useful character considering we have issues taking down towers.
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