Cataclysm

[apocrypha]

I'm trying to talk some of my guildies to go Horde, because I wanna play a Goblin so bad.   

I'm trying to convince some of my guildies NOT to go Alliance, because they want to roll Worgen, whereas I'm entirely uninterested and will be levelling a goblin army. Solo if I have to, dammit.

[Wolf]

I would never play anything different from female space goat! Blue or bust!

[Paelos]

I'm trying to convince some of my guildies NOT to go Alliance, because they want to roll Worgen, whereas I'm entirely uninterested and will be levelling a goblin army. Solo if I have to, dammit.

Anybody that's that active in seeking out a Worgen, so much so that they will switch server sides, is probably best left alone. I can't imagine wanting to play that race. I can very much understand wanting to play Goblins since they were part of the original games and lore.

[apocrypha]

I hear ya. Yeah, it worries me! Are my friends closet furries?    One of them is currently playing ST:O so it's only a few short steps down the geek hierarchy....

[Nevermore]

I would never play anything different from female space goat! Blue or bust!

In your case, that's blue AND bust!

[Sjofn]

I'm trying to convince some of my guildies NOT to go Alliance, because they want to roll Worgen, whereas I'm entirely uninterested and will be levelling a goblin army. Solo if I have to, dammit.

Anybody that's that active in seeking out a Worgen, so much so that they will switch server sides, is probably best left alone. I can't imagine wanting to play that race. I can very much understand wanting to play Goblins since they were part of the original games and lore.

I can see wanting to play Worgens well enough, I cannot see ditching the Horde for it, though. I want to play the fuck out of goblins, but I know I won't REALLY switch from primary-Alliance to do it. Tempting as it is.

Oh God, so tempting.

[apocrypha]

Oh God, so tempting.

Come to the green side.

[Lantyssa]

I want to play both (and not give up my Draenei).  I don't have time for my existing alts as is.

[Sjofn]

I keep going back and forth over who my Cataclysm main will be, too. THIS EXPANSION IS FULL OF STRESS OMG

[Righ]

I know, it's made difficult by there being so many classes that a goblin can be.

[Sjofn]

Ha! It's true.   

[AutomaticZen]

I keep going back and forth over who my Cataclysm main will be, too. THIS EXPANSION IS FULL OF STRESS OMG

Shaman!  Beatings, my Orc Shaman will contract a horrible disease that will shrink his body!  Beatings the Goblin Shaman!

[Ingmar]

I keep going back and forth over who my Cataclysm main will be, too. THIS EXPANSION IS FULL OF STRESS OMG

Shaman!  Beatings, my Orc Shaman will contract a horrible disease that will shrink his body!  Beatings the Goblin Shaman!

I find myself wondering how long it will be before they open up re-racing to the new races. I am pretty sure they said it won't be available day 1.

[Zetor]

Yeah, I'm curious too... (my orc warlock is definitely about to contract a goblinification virus ) I think I read in a recent blue post that they aren't restricting goblins and worgens from rolling DKs, so what could be the harm in allowing 25 extra levels for new gobbos? C'mon Blizz, I got what you need! ($$$)

[Simond]

I Had It in My Hand. - Find a Rare Artifact.
What was Briefly Yours is Now Mine. - Find rare artifacts of the following races: Dwarf, Troll, Night Elf, Orc, Draenei
It Belongs in a Museum! - Find every rare artifact. Yes every one. Stop whining.

New alpha patch, btw.
Oh, and pygmy voices are the best. THE. BEST. Worgen? Not so much.

[Sjofn]

I keep going back and forth over who my Cataclysm main will be, too. THIS EXPANSION IS FULL OF STRESS OMG

Shaman!  Beatings, my Orc Shaman will contract a horrible disease that will shrink his body!  Beatings the Goblin Shaman!

Depending on how much I like the paladin changes, I might actually re-main-ify her. But I like my DK! And my druid! Augh!


At least I know what ROLE I want to play, which is tank. And we already have two warrior tanks in the guild, so I can strike poor Sjofn the Dwarf Warrior (I love her so much but she's so redundant :((((( ) but other than that I CAN'T DECIDE WAAAAAAAAH

[Ingmar]

Yeah, I'm curious too... (my orc warlock is definitely about to contract a goblinification virus ) I think I read in a recent blue post that they aren't restricting goblins and worgens from rolling DKs, so what could be the harm in allowing 25 extra levels for new gobbos? C'mon Blizz, I got what you need! ($$$)

Depends if they're doing server first feats of strength for the new race/class combos I guess.

[Zetor]

Yeah, the realm-first thing was why I thought they'd prevent that, but this post gave me some hope - http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=25026666097&pageNo=8&sid=1#147

We weren't going to prevent goblin or worgen DKs from day one. The realm first feats are cool, but I'm not sure we should let them dictate what classes people can and can't play. The entire realm first thing is over in a day or two anyway.

The thread implies you guys heard something different though, possibly from the recent press event.

I mean, it's $$ for Blizz and people get goblins, what could possibly go wrong?

[Righ]

At least I know what ROLE I want to play, which is tank. And we already have two warrior tanks in the guild, so I can strike poor Sjofn the Dwarf Warrior (I love her so much but she's so redundant :((((( ) but other than that I CAN'T DECIDE WAAAAAAAAH

That's easy - death knight. Goblins can't be paladins or druids.

[Sjofn]

Ingmar is going to shoot you with MIND BULLETS. 

[Ashamanchill]

Got some time on the internet to dick around, and 'holy shit', I find, new cataclysm talents released (for my class anyways). Fucking sweet. Then I get to read them.

Jesus Christ these things suck! making all talents new and exciting my ass! For my main's spec (Feral Tank), there is one new move, and a whole lot of nothing. And no new 'end tier' (like mangle was for BC, and Berserk for LK)?! Plus, with the five new talents we get we have to spec deeper into the Resto tree! (I apologize to any non ferals, and especially any non druids here) Fuck you Blizzard. With these shit ass talents, and the removal of a whole lot of new stuff (like Path of Titans, and no Heroic SFK and Deadmines right away), this xpac is looking weaker and weaker IMO.

[Ironwood]

Yes.  It is.

What did you expect ?

You can't keep this level of excitement about doling out the same thing time after time.  Welcome to marriage.

[Ashamanchill]

Fair enough. But all my married friends bitch about their lives endlessly, so I get to as well!!! 

[Ironwood]

All I'm able to say is ;  I remember the first time I played WoW and how blown away I was.  I'm not looking forward to this expansion at all.

I think it's done.

It's still massively succesful, I think, and will carry on for YEARS, but I'm pretty much done.

[Lakov_Sanite]

All I'm able to say is ;  I remember the first time I played WoW and how blown away I was.  I'm not looking forward to this expansion at all.

I think it's done.

It's still massively succesful, I think, and will carry on for YEARS, but I'm pretty much done.

I believe you are bloodworthing comments from the burning crusade thread now.

[Draegan]

I've been done for a while (as being a long term player).  Every time I got back to have some fun I stay for a shorter and shorter amount of time.  The new design direction with WOTLK and badges increase my churn rate significantly.

[Ironwood]

All I'm able to say is ;  I remember the first time I played WoW and how blown away I was.  I'm not looking forward to this expansion at all.

I think it's done.

It's still massively succesful, I think, and will carry on for YEARS, but I'm pretty much done.

I believe you are bloodworthing comments from the burning crusade thread now.

Not for me, I don't think.  I don't remember feeling like this for BC.

Anyway, the circumstances are different for me this time.  It just seems so....meh.

[kildorn]

I need to see the new zone designs and such, but overall I'm very meh about the expansion. I was hoping for something more interesting with the talent reworking. This just feels like the same thing, with 5 more points to use.

edit: Maybe this lack of amazing changes means their best people were moved to Diablo, and we'll be seeing a release this year! 

[Lakov_Sanite]

Maybe not you and really I'm being more devil's advocate that fanboy here but every time blizzard does something there's always someone saying "this game is dead, I quit"  after after the 100th or so time you just get tired of hearing it.   Of course there will be a point where subs drop off or even shrink but to call anything with over a million subs dead is ludicrous.

Wow has become this thing, this cultural monster that not going anywhere. Even if the next expansion realised the pony race for horde and kitten race for alliance they'd still have the most subs ever.


Every online game does things people don't like, and inevitably forums get clogged up with "yeah me too" posts decrying the games end and how much it is 'the suck' it's just that it sounds more like people calling a super model a butterface just because they can.

[Ironwood]

Um, I specifically didn't say that, though.  I don't think it'll be badly recieved at all, nor will it mean suddenly millions of players will give up in disgust.

It just doesn't have that 'new shiny' thing for me.  It seems really, really not enough.  Hell, there's not even another hero class.  And, once you get over 'oo, Goblins and wolves' you realise you've just been fooled into running another char up to 85.

Wow.

[Draegan]

I'm only excited about the new leveling areas.  I've accepted that I dislike the raid system in this game and really like the leveling part.

[Ingmar]

That was only the first talent pass, I'm sure things will change more.

Time for a little cognitive dissonance I have with people who complain about the new talent trees, especially the lack of a new button to push. At this point I don't really understand why people *want* more stuff to clog up their bars. The classes and specs are mostly quite deep now, adding anything without taking something else away is just not at all what I want.

Things like devastate replacing sunder armor, or heart strike replacing blood strike = good. Adding an entirely new button that I have to find a bar/bind for = not good.

It seems really, really not enough.  Hell, there's not even another hero class.  And, once you get over 'oo, Goblins and wolves' you realise you've just been fooled into running another char up to 85.

If you're a person who likes the endgame (PVP or PVE), you'll get to it quicker and the amount of endgame content in Cataclysm should be about the same as in Lich King, it looks like. If you're a person who likes leveling alts, you just got the biggest present of your entire (WoW) life, the biggest single chunk of content in WoW, the 1-60 quest stuff, is being completely rewritten, plus all the new combos etc. etc.

If you're not in either of those categories... what is it that you actually want from the expansion? If it is new classes I personally wouldn't be holding my breath for ever seeing another one.

[Shrike]

I looked forward to TBC. I learned to fear change after that (warrior then...god it sucked). Since then, I dread every major change. I was very wary of LK when it shipped. I was pleasently surprised by how it turned out overall. There are a variety of things in it that I don't care for, but overall I've enjoyed it.

Now Cataclysm...again, I'm living in dread. The shaman stuff we've seen so far is clownshoes. I haven't really looked at warrior, pally, or DK stuff, but it's all going to change more so I'm not too worked up over it...yet. I'm hopeful for the raiding changes. On the surface, they look to benefit me, personally. The rest of you on are your own. Again, we won't know until much, much closer to launch. If it turns out to be enough fun, I'll be around for another two years. If not, then...well...I'll find something else to do.

[Ironwood]

Much more sensible to wait and see for yourself, I suppose.

[Rendakor]

Honestly I'm more excited about Cata than any other xpac since. The fact that they're making it so you only have to run 10ms alone will make my WoW experience much better. Playing a goblin is going to be awesome as well, and they're redoing the part of the game that I hated the most (Vanilla).

Regarding talent trees, they stated a while ago that they weren't adding a new tier of talents in Cata (and thus, no new click skill). The ones they've shown so far are obviously not done, but I don't think anyone should get so up in arms because the changes aren't BIG enough.