Cataclysm

[Mattemeo]

...and nearly all of the reclaimed Eastern+Western Plaguelands.

To be fair, those zones weren't really ever contested. Not even the Forsaken wanted them, hence the Bulwark. There were/are some PvP objectives in EPL but really, both zones were staunchly Alliance till the shit hit the corpsegrinder. I'm interested to see how much of a Scourge stronghold Stratholme will remain, or if it will return (at least in part) to halcyon Lordaeron days, and how much the Scarlet Crusade will have wilted along with the plague.

[Fabricated]

...and nearly all of the reclaimed Eastern+Western Plaguelands.

To be fair, those zones weren't really ever contested. Not even the Forsaken wanted them, hence the Bulwark. There were/are some PvP objectives in EPL but really, both zones were staunchly Alliance till the shit hit the corpsegrinder. I'm interested to see how much of a Scourge stronghold Stratholme will remain, or if it will return (at least in part) to halcyon Lordaeron days, and how much the Scarlet Crusade will have wilted along with the plague.

Word is that the Scarlet Crusade is donewith completely, with the Argent Dawn owning all their old land. Sad since they literally dropped the Mal'Ganis plotline in WoTLK (he said you'd need his help to kill Arthas before twirling his mustache and teleporting away in the last Scarlet Onslaught quest).

Also fun stuff that was leaked just recently (stolen wholesale from SA):

[WindupAtheist]

That actually sounds pretty cool. I like the bit about Garrosh laying the smack on the rogue commander. It's a nice change from Thrall's "make empty talk while the subordinates run unchecked" routine.

[Sjofn]

I like how they seem like they're taking two different directions to "solving" the "these two characters are widely considered douchebags" problem. If it's done adequately (I never put my hopes up to "done well" with Blizzard storytelling), I might ... even like King Chin at the end of it all.

Also if it doesn't come up that STORMWIND DON'T PAY ITS BILLS DON'T REBUILD FOR THOSE ASSHOLES in game, I will be horribly disappointed.

[Fabricated]

I like how they seem like they're taking two different directions to "solving" the "these two characters are widely considered douchebags" problem. If it's done adequately (I never put my hopes up to "done well" with Blizzard storytelling), I might ... even like King Chin at the end of it all.

Also if it doesn't come up that STORMWIND DON'T PAY ITS BILLS DON'T REBUILD FOR THOSE ASSHOLES in game, I will be horribly disappointed.

Actually that's supposed to be part of the problem. I wonder if it'll tie in with heroic deadmines, because that ties directly into that concept.

[Sjofn]

It had better be part of the problem!

MASONS NEVER FORGET, MAN

[Lakov_Sanite]

because supposedly between the time right now (WoTLK) and the Cataclysm is ~5-6 years.

This is slightly off.  The time between world of warcraft and cataclysm is six years, anduin's been in the game as a child since then so that makes perfect sense.  As for the onyxia killed by wrynn being a ret-con im not sure how since who killed her was never stated explicitly has it?

[Ingmar]

because supposedly between the time right now (WoTLK) and the Cataclysm is ~5-6 years.

This is slightly off.  The time between world of warcraft and cataclysm is six years, anduin's been in the game as a child since then so that makes perfect sense.  As for the onyxia killed by wrynn being a ret-con im not sure how since who killed her was never stated explicitly has it?

Not in-game, but it was in some comic or book or something.

[Sjofn]

Yeah, he kills her in the comic with some of his friends.

[Lakov_Sanite]

Makes sense.  As much as I like the idea of "A band of random heroes from the [horde/alliance] defeated [raid mob X]"  It just doesn't work for every single mob in the game. 

[SurfD]

Makes sense.  As much as I like the idea of "A band of random heroes from the [horde/alliance] defeated [raid mob X]"  It just doesn't work for every single mob in the game. 

Well, It does, for the most part.  The problem is that WoW is such a heavily story driven game that occasionally they pretty much HAVE to give credit to a major lore npc for a boss kill, if they want to move the story along in a certain way.

[sickrubik]

Female Worgen Models revealed at Wowhead.

Not a fan. Look almost catlike, or more like a fox.

[Rasix]

Let me head off the next 20 posts:

Someone: YIFF.
Mattemeo:  No it's not. TAUREN NIPPLES.

edit: Personally, don't care. I don't visit the Deeprun Tram.  A worgen alt will be a long, long ways off, and probably not until my goblin hits max.

[Nevermore]

I guess you've never seen a greyhound or whippet?  I really hope they don't add human-like hairstyles to that form.  They look much better the way they are now instead of those textureless shots of them with the big hair.

[sickrubik]

I guess you've never seen a greyhound or whippet?  I really hope they don't add human-like hairstyles to that form.  They look much better the way they are now instead of those textureless shots of them with the big hair.

Of course I have. I think they still come off more catlike than either  of those two breads. As well, the ears stand up way too much, which bleeds into catlike for me as well.


Edit: And looking at the snouts again, they appear much more bigcat (puma, etc) than it does anything dog like.

[Lakov_Sanite]

If you want to get technical worgen aren't related to wolves in any way.  They're from another planet/dimension and have wolf-like features but by not be canine in any way besides general appearance which...could allow the females to look like cats.

Hey, I'm not saying it isnt dumb but it does make sense.

[sickrubik]

My displeasure of the choice of design does not mean I do not understand the background of the Worgen.

[Nevermore]

I guess you've never seen a greyhound or whippet?  I really hope they don't add human-like hairstyles to that form.  They look much better the way they are now instead of those textureless shots of them with the big hair.

Of course I have. I think they still come off more catlike than either  of those two breads. As well, the ears stand up way too much, which bleeds into catlike for me as well.


Edit: And looking at the snouts again, they appear much more bigcat (puma, etc) than it does anything dog like.

Then it's the ears giving you that impression.  Those snouts aren't catlike.

Puma:

Greyhound:

Also, the pics at wowhead suck.  Here's a better link.

[sickrubik]

Look at  the ridging of the nose. It still looks far more cat like than dog like to me. The nasal structure on the female models show it sitting above the structure of the mouth in a way that appears far more cat like, as even illustrated in the puma picture you posted. In addition, the nose and how it sits on the face in front looks more cat like, given the triangular like nose that is common on cats.

(also, I know what a god damn big cat and dog look like.)

[AcidCat]

I can see how you get a catlike impression. I am not a fan of the model, it just looks odd to me. Gives off way more of a furry vibe than the male model.

[Nevermore]

Look at  the ridging of the nose. It still looks far more cat like than dog like to me. The nasal structure on the female models show it sitting above the structure of the mouth in a way that appears far more cat like, as even illustrated in the puma picture you posted. In addition, the nose and how it sits on the face in front looks more cat like, given the triangular like nose that is common on cats.

(also, I know what a god damn big cat and dog look like.)

Well, you're certainly entitled to your opinion, no matter how wrong it may be.  I still say they look more like jackals than anything else.

[proudft]

It still looks far more cat like than dog like to me.

Well, it is CATaclysm, duh!

[Malakili]

The obsession and over analysis of the Worgen on recent pages of this thread both shocks and scares me.   

[Lakov_Sanite]

Any anthropomorphic wolf or cat is by definition a 'furry' isn't it?

[Malakili]

Any anthropomorphic wolf or cat is by definition a 'furry' isn't it?

More or less, but someone saying something like "man, that wolf person is hot, I'd totally hit that" is way less a problem for me than:

Look at  the ridging of the nose...

[Ingmar]

I guess you've never seen a greyhound or whippet?

Not one wearing eyeshadow. That's the only thing that pushes the model into eye-rolling territory for me I think.

EDIT: TAUREN NIPPLES!

[Fordel]

I guess you've never seen a greyhound or whippet?  I really hope they don't add human-like hairstyles to that form.  They look much better the way they are now instead of those textureless shots of them with the big hair.

I think they look ridiculous without their hair. It's also why the ears look enormous, since they're supposed to be peaking out through their giant hair styles!

[Lantyssa]

I like them better without the hair.

Also I note they kept the Draenei back-breaking ass thrust.  I'm not sure the pose is any different at all, looking at the legs.

[Lakov_Sanite]

I like them better without the hair.

Also I note they kept the Draenei back-breaking ass thrust.  I'm not sure the pose is any different at all, looking at the legs.

I always attributed the ass-thrust more to the shape and style of the legs than anything else.  You can't have(i forget the name) backwards knees like that in an upright position without having to make the spine bend in different ways and still look natural.

[Lantyssa]

True, it'd be very difficult to pull their arse in while thrusting their's bossom out and holding the shoulders back at an unnatural angle.  (You'll note male Draenei do none of this.)

I'm pretty sure it's a T&A thing, but it's a hard call to make without any other examples to draw from.

[Simond]

I like them better without the hair.

Also I note they kept the Draenei back-breaking ass thrust.  I'm not sure the pose is any different at all, looking at the legs.

I always attributed the ass-thrust more to the shape and style of the legs than anything else.  You can't have(i forget the name) backwards knees like that in an upright position without having to make the spine bend in different ways and still look natural.

Digitigrade.

[Musashi]

They look really stupid.  Like, not even a funny kind of stupid.

Thing about this whole idea is that no matter what happens, werewolves casting spells is going to be silly.  Because, you know, werewolves eat people with their teeth.  They don't cast magic missle.  And a 'wolf form' ala druid forms is something they want to get away from apparently, because people like looking at their gear.  You start to get the idea that they pasted 'work in progress' on that stuff because they're just floating it out there to see if people will buy it.  From the looks of those screenshots, having not ventured to the official forums, I'm guessing not.

[Lakov_Sanite]

They look really stupid.  Like, not even a funny kind of stupid.

Thing about this whole idea is that no matter what happens, werewolves casting spells is going to be silly.  Because, you know, werewolves eat people with their teeth.  They don't cast magic missle.  And a 'wolf form' ala druid forms is something they want to get away from apparently, because people like looking at their gear.  You start to get the idea that they pasted 'work in progress' on that stuff because they're just floating it out there to see if people will buy it.  From the looks of those screenshots, having not ventured to the official forums, I'm guessing not.

wut?

[Musashi]

Hablas Ingles?

They look dumb.  They look more like cats than dogs.  I'm thinking this won't be their final form.

[Simond]

So you think because the female worgen look like slinky cat/foxwomen rather than hulking monsters they will be reworked?
Did you miss the whole "Blizzard doesn't make ugly females" bit of this thread, or something?