Cataclysm

[WindupAtheist]

I never play anything but humans anyway.

[Rendakor]

What you don't get Mattemeo is that furries are reviled throughout the internet. Seriously. No one likes furries. While people who find small green women attractive are just weird.

I have no doubt that if you ask the artists that designed the existing worgen model, they will tell you that they never intended it to represent both genders, and that they designed it as a male.

Monsters are (with a few exceptions, like medusae) male. Ogres, gnolls, quillboar, and kobolds have no female models.

I don't think there are any female undead either; forsaken sure, but not undead (bar odd bosses like Lady DW).

Banshees are female.

[Ingmar]

Yeah I don't get where you're coming from at all on that. The goblins don't really seem sexed-up really to me. If anything they toned DOWN the Jersey Shore skank makeup.

EDIT: Whoa I missed a new page again. That was in response to Mattemeo.

[Selby]

You mean you guys don't play a certain race to min\max the racial bonuses and be a better raider\PVPer?  ;-)

[Lantyssa]

Fetishes are fetishes.

It's a kink, not a fetish, thankyouverymuch.

[Malakili]

You mean you guys don't play a certain race to min\max the racial bonuses and be a better raider\PVPer?  ;-)

Most of my race choices have always been about which attack/casting animations I like best, heh.  Though I do have to admit I chose night elf on my Death Knight because I thought the idea of a shadow melding DK was awesome 

[Ingmar]

I try to have one of everything but within that I do tend to try and match up the racials to what I'm doing at least a little. I still have non-herbalist taurens and such though.

[Selby]

I try to have one of everything but within that I do tend to try and match up the racials to what I'm doing at least a little. I still have non-herbalist taurens and such though.

I am attached to my trolls for some reason (have 4 80's with them).  At least their berserking makes my DPS look good.  I do at least have 1 each of the horde races for those wacky seasonal achievements that come along every now and again that make people like me.

[K9]

You mean you guys don't play a certain race to min\max the racial bonuses and be a better raider\PVPer?  ;-)

I do like my +1% to hit I have to say.

[Simond]

http://db.mmo-champion.com/s/75289/high-society-top-hat/



I say!

[Minvaren]

I am attached to my trolls for some reason (have 4 80's with them).  At least their berserking makes my DPS look good.

Trolls be flippin' out, mon.   

[Musashi]

http://db.mmo-champion.com/s/75289/high-society-top-hat/



I say!

My future goblin AH alt is going to have a tough choice between that and his pimp hat currently waiting in th bank.

[Simond]

And yes, I've already seen WoW Goblin pin-up art.

I believe it's called "refuge in audacity". 

[ezrast]

Nobody plays the non-hawt females. Not even women. Female dwarves and tauren may as well not have been modeled.

This thread makes me and my female taurens and troll sad.

[angry.bob]

The current world build for Cataclysm is available to download on usenet as a 15 gig package. It's not populated or anything, but it will let you look around at all the changes and get a heads up on stuff. I haven't downloaded it myself since my care/download ratio isn't high enough to download. Just thought some of you might like to know.

[Fordel]

Anyway yeah, everytime I go into Stormwind for the next 5 years (or whatever) it's going to be a giant freshly stepped-on wreck? Bleh. That plus furries plus the whole "five strangers who don't talk and will never see each other again silently farming heroics" state of the game aren't encouraging me.

There's apparently a lot of geography phasing from what people have been able to dig out of the leaked client. So all the in-construction stuff may be finished through questing or simply patched in as the expansion goes on, how the Argent Tourney was built up.

[Ingmar]

Yeah I don't think we could see stuff that changes in phases in these screenshots. I don't think the model viewer type stuff handles that at all.

[Mattemeo]

Nobody plays the non-hawt females. Not even women. Female dwarves and tauren may as well not have been modeled.

This thread makes me and my female taurens and troll sad.

I think Tauren females are lovely. I don't want to take one to bed, but it doesn't stop them being nicely modelled. They're very feminine. Female Trolls, on the other hand, could do with about 10 new faces to compliment the single 'stoned' face everyone uses, and the 6 or 7 'lightly goosed mad crone' variations. And possibly a little less rod-like posture. I know people's general internal image of a character doesn't necessarily correlate with the in-game graphics, but still. There's a hell of a lot of WoW fan-art out there that is a lot more generous to Troll women than the game is.

Female Dwarves don't exist. There's Dwarves, and stubby angry human women.

[Fordel]

The Lady Dwarf is great the way they she is.

[Ingmar]

Mattemeo has very specific Pratchett-caused expectations for his lady dwarves.

[Ratman_tf]

Female dwarves look less like fantasy dwarves than like short humans. They should have beards.

This has always, always been my problem with Dwarf representation in games. If it doesn't have a beard, it's not a dwarf. You could give them pretty faces and hourglass figures and dainty hands, but if she doesn't come with a luxurious, silken beard available in a variety of seductive, stylish braids, she's a short human.

Tolkien would be rolling in his grave if those terrible movies hadn't already assraped his corpse into dust.

[WindupAtheist]

Bitching that dorf women don't have beards means you are broken inside. Fuck Tolkien. Also, you want developers to waste time making models zero people will use.

[Mattemeo]

Bitching that dorf women don't have beards means you are broken inside. Fuck Tolkien. Also, you want developers to waste time making models zero people will use.

Just because you wouldn't use them doesn't mean nobody else would. We've already ascertained that you only play humans anyhow.

Giving female Dwarves beards would be pretty much the only reason for me to roll one (never had a dwarf character), and there are shitloads of people out there who would find it funny and/or awesome. Let's face it, I highly doubt there'd be less female Dwarf players than there are now.

[Simond]

Counterpoint: EQ female dwarf models has a couple of face selections with beards. I think I saw maybe one ever past level five.

[Mrbloodworth]

Bitching that dorf women don't have beards means you are broken inside. Fuck Tolkien. Also, you want developers to waste time making models zero people will use.

[Raegar]

Moving from the Resident Evil horrors that are female dwarves...

I always thought that if there was anything worthy of bringing back for an Azerothian revisit (aka Cataclysm), it would be the feeling of Taurren Mill type open world PvP battles. I hope at least some of you here remember the starting months of WoW PvP. Getting up to Warlord rank has probably been the most genuine fun I've had in WoW ever. Starting the journey will squad/group-based combat, moving to large-scale TM battles (laggy or not, it was fun and thrilling as if something was at stake), then introduction of battlegrounds...something new and exciting at the time.

That feeling is what I wished for with the old-world redesigns. I hoped for the phrase "Contested Zone" to actually mean something other than very little of nothing [you can kill lowbies here]. Cataclysm included the process of redesigning zones in one way or another. This would've been the perfect opportunity to include in each zone 2-3 varying important structures (both in size & design...they could have been known races structure, ancient structures, ruins, etc.), key points if you must, that would be CONTESTED--conquer or defend. This essentially could potentially remove the lag by spreading the server thin enough to handle the load. Now here's the thrill and reason to encourage player in participating, at least the PvPers. Every minute you control these areas, they reward Faction Points seen obviously by the whole faction, much the same way points amass in Arathi Basin. The more zones you have, the faster they accumulate. Depending on the design, twice or thrice per day an instance or multiple instances would open up with X number of bosses accessible based on the accumulated Faction Points. Bosses could drop just Arena gear or whatever to encourage enough participation to be a successful alternative to raiding just like Arena is today.

I always thought something along these lines would make WoW a much more attractive MMO. Now obviously there are problems with this system just like with any other. I mean, AV has had issues since its release up until not to long ago. One of the issues could be server population and faction balance, things that developers have to think through. After all thats why they get payed =)

[Musashi]

Not enough people will use average looking characters to justify making them.  The vast majority of people who do use female dwarves, orcs, taurens, and trolls are like you and me.  We're just making them as a joke, and the joke only works precisely because nobody uses them.  I played a female orc hunter to level cap and used her as a main.  But it was a joke.  I made her as ugly as possible, with red eyes and a stupid haircut.  I left the helm graphic off so that others could revel in my hideousness.  I thought I was awesome that in a game where individualizing your character is pretty hard to do people would say, "Hey, you don't see that every day."

More or less people play pretty characters?  It's not really up for debate.  It's a shame you can't break this down by sex, but look at the pretty races.

So why don't they change the old ugly models?  Because they all remember the model change in EQ, and how well that went.  They know there are people like me who get a perverse satisfaction out of being retarded.  They know that if they took that away from me, I would hit them with the power of a thousand suns.

[Ironwood]

Moving from the Resident Evil horrors that are female dwarves...

I always thought that if there was anything worthy of bringing back for an Azerothian revisit (aka Cataclysm), it would be the feeling of Taurren Mill type open world PvP battles. I hope at least some of you here remember the starting months of WoW PvP. Getting up to Warlord rank has probably been the most genuine fun I've had in WoW ever. Starting the journey will squad/group-based combat, moving to large-scale TM battles (laggy or not, it was fun and thrilling as if something was at stake), then introduction of battlegrounds...something new and exciting at the time.

That feeling is what I wished for with the old-world redesigns. I hoped for the phrase "Contested Zone" to actually mean something other than very little of nothing [you can kill lowbies here]. Cataclysm included the process of redesigning zones in one way or another. This would've been the perfect opportunity to include in each zone 2-3 varying important structures (both in size & design...they could have been known races structure, ancient structures, ruins, etc.), key points if you must, that would be CONTESTED--conquer or defend. This essentially could potentially remove the lag by spreading the server thin enough to handle the load. Now here's the thrill and reason to encourage player in participating, at least the PvPers. Every minute you control these areas, they reward Faction Points seen obviously by the whole faction, much the same way points amass in Arathi Basin. The more zones you have, the faster they accumulate. Depending on the design, twice or thrice per day an instance or multiple instances would open up with X number of bosses accessible based on the accumulated Faction Points. Bosses could drop just Arena gear or whatever to encourage enough participation to be a successful alternative to raiding just like Arena is today.

I always thought something along these lines would make WoW a much more attractive MMO. Now obviously there are problems with this system just like with any other. I mean, AV has had issues since its release up until not to long ago. One of the issues could be server population and faction balance, things that developers have to think through. After all thats why they get payed =)

Fail.

[Rendakor]

Moving from the Resident Evil horrors that are female dwarves...

I always thought that if there was anything worthy of bringing back for an Azerothian revisit (aka Cataclysm), it would be the feeling of Taurren Mill type open world PvP battles. I hope at least some of you here remember the starting months of WoW PvP. Getting up to Warlord rank has probably been the most genuine fun I've had in WoW ever. Starting the journey will squad/group-based combat, moving to large-scale TM battles (laggy or not, it was fun and thrilling as if something was at stake), then introduction of battlegrounds...something new and exciting at the time.

The part I bolded proves you're broken.

[Lantyssa]

So why don't they change the old ugly models?  Because they all remember the model change in EQ, and how well that went.  They know there are people like me who get a perverse satisfaction out of being retarded.  They know that if they took that away from me, I would hit them with the power of a thousand suns.

Don't change them.  Add more which aren't hideous.

[Malakili]

Getting up to Warlord rank has probably been the most genuine fun I've had in WoW ever.

[Musashi]

Don't change them.  Add more which aren't hideous.

Yea, that's what they are shooting for with the barber shop.

[Ingmar]

So why don't they change the old ugly models?  Because they all remember the model change in EQ, and how well that went.  They know there are people like me who get a perverse satisfaction out of being retarded.  They know that if they took that away from me, I would hit them with the power of a thousand suns.

Don't change them.  Add more which aren't hideous.

If they want to bring the animations up to the standard of the new races - winking, facial expressions and all - they will pretty much have to change them at least a little.

EDIT: But this - if they did it - would likely not be a wholesale redesign like EQ or DAOC where the entire look and feel of the models change, I wouldn't think.

[WindupAtheist]

Just because you wouldn't use them doesn't mean nobody else would. We've already ascertained that you only play humans anyhow.

Now listen, you're a nice kid. I like you. But you need to understand, this whole bearded dwarf lady thing? That shit is fucked up. This isn't just WUA being a dick because that's what he does. This is WUA seriously and calmly telling you that yes, outside of the very rare occasional jokester, you would be the only female dwarf in WoW.

Counterpoint: EQ female dwarf models has a couple of face selections with beards. I think I saw maybe one ever past level five.

This.

[AcidCat]

I thought I was awesome that in a game where individualizing your character is pretty hard to do people would say, "Hey, you don't see that every day."

They know there are people like me who get a perverse satisfaction out of being retarded.  

I had this same kind of mindset once, and made a hideous looking female dwarf.

It didn't take many levels for me to realize that I actually don't want to play an ugly looking freak.