Cataclysm

[WindupAtheist]

It now occurs to me that I don't really want to look at a "freshly destroyed" world for the next five years. Enthusiasm dimmed.

[Sjofn]

Meh, I dunno. If this goes over really well, they might update again in like. THREE years! 

[Malakili]

There is great potential for a longer "newness" feel in this one at least. For me anyway, what with being an alt leveling crazy person.

I think the potential here is not just that things are new, its that they are *changes*  For instance, I don't give a crap about most of Northrend, but damned if I won't rush off to see the new Uther's Tomb as soon as I can.

[Sjofn]

I guess I see what you mean. It all lumps in together for me, personally. I like new shit and I like changed shit. The feeling is so similar I just dub it all as a "newness" feeling.

Also I am going to be a goblin as hard as I can. I can't decide what class to pick though. 

[Lantyssa]

All of them.

[Sjofn]

It's pretty tempting, I tell you what!  


EDIT: I know I'm going to make a pretty elf boy warrior, though, because I know it will pain every single I HATE BLOOD ELVES dickhead out there.

[WindupAtheist]

I hate blood elves, but when I was Horde I hated night elves and ganked them at every opportunity. Don't those two balance out or something?

[Fordel]

NE hate is old hat!

[apocrypha]

I used to hate both flavours of elves, but then I decided that my Blood Elf paladin was actually gay, and comfortable with that, and now I don't mind them at all. Female blood elves need to eat some sandwiches though.

[Simond]

NE hate is Blizzard endorsed!

Hey, how's Auberdine/Ashenvale/the Stormwind park district/everywhere the night elves live doing? 

[Draegan]

I've been planning on resubbing for Cataclysm since I found out they were redoing the old world.  My last stint a few months ago actually last longer than I thought.  I just need to grind out some badges before the xpac hits for some heirloom gear.

Now I have to choose either Goblin or Worgen.  If I'm a Goblin I can transfer gold/heirlooms to it.  If it's Worgen I have to start from scratch.

Hmm choices.  Goblin Warlock?

[K9]

You can transfer heirlooms across factions.

[Draegan]

Yeah but not Factions on another server!

I'm stuck on Mal'ganis and the Alliance population is almost non-existent. 

[Ironwood]

You can transfer heirlooms across factions.

Eh ?

[Mattemeo]

I know I'm going to make a pretty elf boy warrior, though, because I know it will pain every single I HATE BLOOD ELVES dickhead out there.

Not being able to roll a BElf Warrior was pretty much the deciding factor in me ignoring the Burning Crusade release. I still don't understand why they thought Warriors would make less sense than Paladins. I'm just glad they finally wised up (same with Human Hunters, ffs), and my current BElf Paladin is going to have a cataclysmic breakdown in faith, thankyouverymuch.

[Rasix]

EDIT: I know I'm going to make a pretty elf boy warrior, though, because I know it will pain every single I HATE BLOOD ELVES dickhead out there.

I hate all elves equally!  This includes my 80 warlock  (character was only intially made to see the added newbie area in TBC)  I was thinking of making him an orc, but I know down the line they'll let me make him a goblin, so why bother.

In an ideal world where my wife wouldn't kick me in the shins for paying $100+ for WoW race changes,  I'd end up with nothing but goblins. 

[Lakov_Sanite]

Now I have to choose either Goblin or Worgen. 

Are you a furry?

Y:Worgen
N:Goblin

[Nevermore]

No more so than Tauren.

I'd love to play a Goblin but I don't know anyone who actually plays Horde.  Oh sure, some guildies say they have Horde alts but they either never play them or they've snuck off to another server.  It's lonely playing Horde. :(

[Shrike]

I'm already gathering equipment for a blood elf warrior. Finally a horde warrior race that isn't a barnyard animal or a sideshow freak. About time. Only question is whether it'll be on WW or Kargath. Maybe a transfer. Dunno about that yet.

I"ve always been curious about what happened to Gilneas so a worgen is indicated. Mine will be a druid, since it's the only physical combat class I've never played. Don't know if this one will actually go anywhere post-20, but have to see the starting area.

Couldn't care less about goblins. See comment about sideshow freaks above.

[Lakov_Sanite]

Tauren are anthropomorphic cow people, worgen are furries.  Just look at the artwork, hell the concept art for female worgen is a yiffers wet dream. It's all in the presentation here.  They could have made the worgen snarling beast men, they made starfox instead.

[Mattemeo]

Tauren are anthropomorphic cow people, worgen are furries.  Just look at the artwork, hell the concept art for female worgen is a yiffers wet dream. It's all in the presentation here.  They could have made the worgen snarling beast men, they made starfox instead.

No. There's no difference. If you call Worgen furry and deny the furrydom of Tauren, you're blatantly biased. It's really as simple as that. Just because you nominally ascribe sexual attractiveness to anthropmorphic wolves doesn't mean someone else can't think the exact same thing about anthropmorphic cows.
Keep in mind that the single bit of 'concept art' for female Worgen we've seen was speed-sketched literally 5 minutes before the con and doesn't necessarily bear any relation to how they will appear in-game, and that the male Worgen's faces bear no semblance to humanity bar a noble countenance. I don't doubt that the Worgen will, overall, be a good looking race - Tauren look great to this day (my single problem playing them is their sheer size). But we're not talking /waggle 2.0 here.

[LK]

The thing that sets the Worgen apart is that the Worgen will be sexy.

[Zetor]

The thing that sets the Worgen apart is that the Worgen will be sexy.

(insert "Loyalty level 6" picture here) ... and no, you shouldn't google that at work. 

[Ingmar]

I still don't understand why they thought Warriors would make less sense than Paladins.

The reasoning was:

- They wanted to keep the number of class/race combinations on both sides completely equal (this is the same reason we lost dwarf mages in beta, alliance had one more combo total than horde)
- They didn't want to add any new class combinations to old races at the time
- They wanted to make all classes available on both sides, thus Blood Elves *had* to have paladins much like draenei had to have shamans
- They were more or less limited to only 6 classes for Blood Elves because draenei rogues would have been silly and draenei warlocks and druids would have been inappropriate lore-wise. The cloth casters and hunters were obviously iconic elf things from previous Blizzard game lore, so you had to have them.

Essentially the choice was not between having warriors and having paladins; the choice was between having warriors and having *rogues*, and it was decided somewhere along the way that rogues were a better choice. (I'm not speculating here, this was the actual choice they had to make, it was discussed at one point or another publically.)

[Ingmar]

But we're not talking /waggle 2.0 here.

I won't believe it til I see it. Until such day as we actually see the model in game, the safest assumption is that we're going to be dealing with Yiff City.

[Sjofn]

I know I'm going to make a pretty elf boy warrior, though, because I know it will pain every single I HATE BLOOD ELVES dickhead out there.

Not being able to roll a BElf Warrior was pretty much the deciding factor in me ignoring the Burning Crusade release. I still don't understand why they thought Warriors would make less sense than Paladins. I'm just glad they finally wised up (same with Human Hunters, ffs), and my current BElf Paladin is going to have a cataclysmic breakdown in faith, thankyouverymuch.

It wasn't so much "made less sense" as "had to cut SOMEthing, and paladins were not cuttable."



As for the blood elf hate, it is much more intense WITHIN YOUR OWN FACTION than night elves. I've never had someone make sure I knew they weren't buffing me because I was an elf as my night elves. My blood elves have taken way more shit than my night elves. Waaaaaaay more. People who go out of their way to be bitches about blood elves also seem to hate the boy ones more, probably because they're afeared of catching the gay. Hence, pretty pretty PRETTY boy elf warrior, because OH GOD WHY YOU SHOULD'VE MADE A GOBLIN.


EDIT: Also to think the worgen ladies aren't going to be YIFFY is just ... well. More optimistic than I will ever be concerning Blizzard and its art direction.

EDIT AGAIN: And you know, taurens are minotaurs, which were not yiffy in the least. Yes, furries <3 the taurens, but I don't think it's totally crazy to make a mental divide between "taurens are based on mythology everyone is familiar with" and "worgens are furry because let's face it if they aren't some kind of cat they're some sort of wolf or fox."

[Ingmar]

Well to be fair werewolves are also one of those mythy things, but they've been co-opted a lot more by pop culture at this point so that kind of lessens the value of that.

Well, at least it isn't goddamn vampires.

[Lakov_Sanite]

Taurens are minotaurs in nearly the classical sense and Worgens are werewolves in the way Edward Cullen is a Vampire.  It's not bias, there's a distinct difference here that I'm surprised you can't see. 

As to blood elves, the hate is justified.  They were a race that was simply added to help balance out horde populations, they were the 'pretty' race and flooded hordeside with annoying belf players.  I personally don't mind blood elves and the male/female thing is funny but not overly prevalent.  To me they just still feel forced and tacked on, not to mention that something like 60% of the horde is elves now, it's annoying.

[Sjofn]

I don't think "man, that was random" is a legit reason to hate a race. I mean, Alliance got fucking ret-conned-to-not-be-hideous-potato-monster, space-faring draenei, which was way more "wtf" than blood elves. But people don't hate them nearly as much, if they hate them at all. But people love to irrationally hate elves, and Horde people in particular seem to enjoy patting themselves on the back for being special snowflakes who are above petty things like "not looking like a hunched over goon," which gets hurt somewhat when people roll elves.

And you'll excuse me as I snortlaugh at the notion the Horde didn't have its fair share of annoying morons before blood elves. Barrens chat was famous before TBC, after all.

[Rasix]

We had our annoying morons, they just weren't elves as well.  Blood elf influx did help reign in the population imbalance, but it also brought in more morons.. who are now elves.

Yah. Thanks.  

I think we've gotten over it though (I've gotten over it enough to play one as a main for a while).  I don't see a lot of shit over elves anymore, because they're half of our tanks and good portion of our healers.

edit: As for Dranei, who really gives a shit about space goats? They're not worth hating.

[Sjofn]

I haven't played my paladin one lately, but blood elf rogues are not welcome.  Actually that isn't fair, most people are fine, I just think it's funny that the only time I catch shit for merely existing these days is when I'm playing a blood elf dude.

My favorite was in one group where this tauren guy was all I DON'T BUFF BLOOD ELVES and then spent the entire dungeon hitting on the girl blood elf.

[proudft]

Well the new races were (A) Enthusiastic cheerful galoots (THIS PLANET HAS EVERYTHING!) and (B) Scrawny drug addicts.  Who do you THINK is more loved?

[Sjofn]

Honestly, I wish the blood elf guys were scrawnier. Stupid buffing them up because OH GOD THEY'RE SORT OF GAY BECAUSE THEY CAN'T RIP PHONE BOOKS IN HALF panicking by beta testers. >:(

The draenei girls still annoy me a little too, but I think I am the only one on the planet who feels that way.

[Simond]

I've been planning on resubbing for Cataclysm since I found out they were redoing the old world.  My last stint a few months ago actually last longer than I thought.  I just need to grind out some badges before the xpac hits for some heirloom gear.

Now I have to choose either Goblin or Worgen.  If I'm a Goblin I can transfer gold/heirlooms to it.  If it's Worgen I have to start from scratch.

Hmm choices.  Goblin Warlock?

/

...or some furry mutt. Take your pick. 

[Lantyssa]

I'd love to play a Goblin but I don't know anyone who actually plays Horde.  Oh sure, some guildies say they have Horde alts but they either never play them or they've snuck off to another server.  It's lonely playing Horde. :(

I'll play a Goblin or three.  I promise!  And there's that DK group we never did.  You could just poke me and tell me to go over there.

More generally, finding people ties into the new friends list.  I'm debating on whether I want to sign up for it or not.  I like some anonymity, but it'd be handy for seeing where people are.  I wonder if cross-server chat channels for groups of people will be a part of it.

The draenei girls still annoy me a little too, but I think I am the only one on the planet who feels that way.

There are many things about the design which annoy me when I think about it.  But I love them anyways and I won't be ashamed of it!

Added due to new post warning:  Definitely playing a goblin.