Cataclysm

[Slyfeind]

Ashenvale going to the Horde is neat. New races, that's cool, new newbie areas sounds fun. Redoing Desolace is NOT. That is my favorite zone, as is, and should not ever never ever be fucked with.

Fuck.

Regarding that "doing stuff for people we don't like," I felt that way shocking baby gorillas for the mean ol' Wolvars just so I could eventually be friends with the happy slappy Oracles. Hated that. I knew how it was going to end, no need to make me pretend to go on some journey of self discovery.

I wish this would go down like the SWG NGE, but alas, not bloody likely.

[Rasix]

Redoing Desolace is NOT. That is my favorite zone, as is, and should not ever never ever be fucked with.

You are a bad person and possibly a felon.

[DraconianOne]

There's a reason why I'm not a betting man... and all I can say is that I am liking this announcement a lot.

Also, Heroic SFK is fucking awesome.  I love that instance.

[AutomaticZen]

Someone liked Desolace?

[Slyfeind]

Desolace is the only zone in the game that doesn't feel like a slip-n-slide theme park where Blizzard grabs you by the scruff of the neck and goes "LEVEL NOW ZOOM K DONE NEXT ZONE."

[Hindenburg]

More interested by this expansion that I was by TBC and WotLK.
Racials seem a bit WAY THE FUCK BETTER than any other racial available, save for heroic presence.

Desolace is the only zone in the game that doesn't feel like a slip-n-slide theme park where Blizzard grabs you by the scruff of the neck and goes "LEVEL NOW ZOOM K DONE NEXT ZONE."

Ya mean like how there's a demonic field smack dab in the middle of nowhere for no proper reason?

[Slyfeind]

Desolace is the only zone in the game that doesn't feel like a slip-n-slide theme park where Blizzard grabs you by the scruff of the neck and goes "LEVEL NOW ZOOM K DONE NEXT ZONE."

Ya mean like how there's a demonic field smack dab in the middle of nowhere for no proper reason?

Because...demons do that sometimes? For whatever reason, forget the lore, I just want a big open empty space to inhabit.

[Nevermore]

Ashenvale going to the Horde is neat. New races, that's cool, new newbie areas sounds fun. Redoing Desolace is NOT. That is my favorite zone, as is, and should not ever never ever be fucked with.

Night Elves are definitely in a bad way with Darkshore getting flooded out, Astranaar getting destroyed and losing at least a big chunk of Ashenvale to the Horde.  Teldrassil is still corrupted as far as I know.  That doesn't leave them much.

[Lakov_Sanite]

Fuck night elves.

Fuck them hard.

[WindupAtheist]

Sure, if your definition of "awesome" is "insane PTSD-ridden ex-gladiator with almost no backstory who starts a war in the middle of an undead invasion", yes, he's totally awesome.

I think you mean the guy who got fed up with the Horde's ever-repeating "Totally valid excuse for why our guys did something horrible to you THIS time!" routine and just decided to say fuck it.

[AutomaticZen]

New map.  

Notable new zones:  Mount Hyjal, Twlight Highlands, Vashjr, Uldum, Deepholm.

1:10PM Southshore has been lost to the Horde. "Nobody was defending it."  HAH!

[Vash]

Desolace is the only zone in the game that doesn't feel like a slip-n-slide theme park where Blizzard grabs you by the scruff of the neck and goes "LEVEL NOW ZOOM K DONE NEXT ZONE."

Ya mean like how there's a demonic field smack dab in the middle of nowhere for no proper reason?

Because...demons do that sometimes? For whatever reason, forget the lore, I just want a big open empty space to inhabit.

Anywhere Blizzard feels like putting a group of Shadow Council/Cultists there should basically be a sign that says "Here Be Demons".  Cultists can be any race and exist anywhere without much lore stretching and worshiping the Burning Legion / summoning demons is basically their whole deal.

[DraconianOne]

Hmmm...  Goblin DKs?


I'd play one.

EDIT: This just in - underwater mounts.

[Lantyssa]

Desolace is the only zone in the game that doesn't feel like a slip-n-slide theme park where Blizzard grabs you by the scruff of the neck and goes "LEVEL NOW ZOOM K DONE NEXT ZONE."

Funny, 'cause it was the one zone where I wish it was LEVEL NOW ZOOM K DONE NEXT ZONE.  (Well, it and Nintendo Crater.)

[Simond]

Sure, if your definition of "awesome" is "insane PTSD-ridden ex-gladiator with almost no backstory who starts a war in the middle of an undead invasion", yes, he's totally awesome.

I think you mean the guy who got fed up with the Horde's ever-repeating "Totally valid excuse for why our guys did something horrible to you THIS time!" routine and just decided to say fuck it.

Counterpoint: This then lead directly to Warchief Hellscream and then the Alliance losing Ashenvale and Southshore (and God only knows what else). Garrosh is just as big a cock as Wrynn, but at least he's getting results.

[Kail]

EDIT: This just in - underwater mounts.

Seriously?  My Engineer's been waiting for that, cool.  

[AcidCat]

I really really love the direction they have taken this expansion. Significant changes to the old world is something I've hoped to see for a long time. Love the look of the Worgen and their town.

[DraconianOne]

Seriously?  My Engineer's been waiting for that, cool. 

Guess they might be the only way to get to the new underwater zone.

[Nevermore]

If the race class spoilers are correct, I'll be making a Worgen Rogue and Goblin Shaman.  Book it.  Done.

[DraconianOne]

Hopefully they'll be increasing character slots too then.

[WindupAtheist]

Counterpoint: This then lead directly to Warchief Hellscream and then the Alliance losing Ashenvale and Southshore (and God only knows what else). Garrosh is just as big a cock as Wrynn, but at least he's getting results.

Yeah, it'll just be a totally Horde map with Alliance doing nothing but leveling to 20 in Westfall and quitting. In that same imaginary version of WoW you play where the evil Alliance attacked the Forsaken JUST FOR BEING WHO THEY AAAAARE. Meanwhile in everyone else's game there will presumably be some other territory turnover elsewhere to keep the content more or less balanced.

[Lakov_Sanite]

Counterpoint: This then lead directly to Warchief Hellscream and then the Alliance losing Ashenvale and Southshore (and God only knows what else). Garrosh is just as big a cock as Wrynn, but at least he's getting results.

Yeah, it'll just be a totally Horde map with Alliance doing nothing but leveling to 20 in Westfall and quitting. In that same imaginary version of WoW you play where the evil Alliance attacked the Forsaken JUST FOR BEING WHO THEY AAAAARE. Meanwhile in everyone else's game there will presumably be some other territory turnover elsewhere to keep the content more or less balanced.

Enjoy your yiff piles btw

[Simond]

Counterpoint: This then lead directly to Warchief Hellscream and then the Alliance losing Ashenvale and Southshore (and God only knows what else). Garrosh is just as big a cock as Wrynn, but at least he's getting results.

Yeah, it'll just be a totally Horde map with Alliance doing nothing but leveling to 20 in Westfall and quitting. In that same imaginary version of WoW you play where the evil Alliance attacked the Forsaken JUST FOR BEING WHO THEY AAAAARE. Meanwhile in everyone else's game there will presumably be some other territory turnover elsewhere to keep the content more or less balanced.

Enjoy your yiff piles btw

[DraconianOne]

In other news, new battleground - Battle for Gilneas.  Takes place in streets of the city with the goal of capturing districts.

[Vash]

Enjoy your yiff piles btw

Whatever the main Inn is for the Worgen starting area will easily replace the Goldshire Inn as the most creepy and disturbing thing in WoW as soon as Cataclysm launches.

[Brogarn]

Their lore is held together by liberal amounts of duct tape and the occasional use of a shoe horn.

[Nevermore]

Yeah, it'll just be a totally Horde map with Alliance doing nothing but leveling to 20 in Westfall and quitting. In that same imaginary version of WoW you play where the evil Alliance attacked the Forsaken JUST FOR BEING WHO THEY AAAAARE. Meanwhile in everyone else's game there will presumably be some other territory turnover elsewhere to keep the content more or less balanced.

What's ironic about this is the Forsaken are attacking the Worgen just for being who they are. 

[Lakov_Sanite]

You'd attack them on sight too...



For the alliance!

[Lum]

Counterpoint: This then lead directly to Warchief Hellscream and then the Alliance losing Ashenvale and Southshore (and God only knows what else). Garrosh is just as big a cock as Wrynn, but at least he's getting results.

Yeah, it'll just be a totally Horde map with Alliance doing nothing but leveling to 20 in Westfall and quitting. In that same imaginary version of WoW you play where the evil Alliance attacked the Forsaken JUST FOR BEING WHO THEY AAAAARE.

Alliance Levelling Path post-expansion:

1-10 Elwynn Forest
11-20 Westfall
21 /ragequit

[Nevermore]

Alliance will still be 5 years behind the Horde in yiffing.  I'm sure the Tauren will be happy to share tips.

[WindupAtheist]

I dunno, something tells me that somehow things will work out such that the two factions still split the world more or less exactly 50/50. Call it a hunch.  

Enjoy your yiff piles btw

Bet they're rerolls.

[Ratman_tf]

No Murlocs as a player race. Expansionfail.

[Nevermore]

This is second-hand info so keep that in mind:

Here's basically what they said on the preview panel:

Talent trees are NOT being extended, however, they are adding talents to the current trees, and we'll still get 5 extra points.

Path of the Titans - an Alternate Advancement system. Anybody can pick one of the paths (linked to archaeology somehow,) and receive certain benefits and further specialization from them. All classes share all paths.

Mastery System - Blizzard doesn't like how our talent trees mix "fun" talents with "required" talents, so what they're gonna do is remove the necessary power-up talent effects, and make them passive for those who train in that tree. For example, talents that increase spell power, crit rating, etc. would be removed/altered, instead we'd get those effects - no matter what - just from sinking a certain amount of points into one tree.

These updates more than make up for not getting extended talent trees. The Mastery System alone sounds like the talent trees will be getting much more of a revamp than ever before (without necessarily nerfing us,) while the Path of the Titans provides yet another method of customization.

[Lakov_Sanite]

You know I always liked that tauren pic, there was a big stink about it when they took it off the main fanart page and I have to say there's a lot more explicit belf/draenei stuff on there.   Truth is though tauren are not/never have been sexy, as it stands they're maybe the least played horde race still so any appeal they would have to the furry community is small at best.

Worgen on the otherhand...well, I can't say I'll feel sorry, we had to deal with belfs.

[Gobbeldygook]

Truth is though tauren are not/never have been sexy, as it stands they're maybe the least played horde race still so any appeal they would have to the furry community is small at best.

False.  Tauren were almost inarguably the best tank race for all of Vanilla and TBC thanks to an AOE stun and more importantly, their bonus health modifier.  They are currently the third most popular after Belfs and Undead.  The least-popular race is by far Troll.