Ingmar
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Keep in mind you can't do an in-place upgrade from 32 bit Vista to 64 bit Win 7, you will have to do a real install. Which of course you probably would want to do anyway.
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Hawkbit
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I'm going from XPPro, so I've got to do a clean install regardless. Thanks again for the advice all.
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Reg
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Is there any real evidence that an in-place upgrade is significantly inferior to doing a full reformat and reinstall? I know it's common knowledge that you should always do the full reinstall but I haven't seen any real evidence that this is still the case.
I've had some bad luck with disk drives in the last year and I'd really rather not do yet another full reinstall if I can possibly avoid it.
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Yegolev
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Is there any real evidence that an in-place upgrade is significantly inferior to doing a full reformat and reinstall? I know it's common knowledge that you should always do the full reinstall but I haven't seen any real evidence that this is still the case.
I am just going by historical evidence, not actual Win7 evidence. Unless you count doing an upgrade of Win7 beta to Win7 RC, in which case I submit that it kinda sucked. I haven't assed myself to get Win7 retail yet, and when I do I might try an upgrade just for academic purposes... trouble with that is if it seems to work right off I won't know if later problems were caused by upgrading instead of clean installing. |
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Prospero
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Ars Technica said the upgrade seemed to work remarkably well.
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Hawkbit
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Another dumb question. Seems as if I can upgrade into Win7 Home Premium for $30, but after clicking around it looks like I can get Win7 Professional for the same price. Any reason not to go with Pro?
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Brogarn
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Ars Technica said the upgrade seemed to work remarkably well.
Both an upgrade from XP Pro and an upgrade from Windows Vista have gone well for me. Very pleased. |
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Viin
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Another dumb question. Seems as if I can upgrade into Win7 Home Premium for $30, but after clicking around it looks like I can get Win7 Professional for the same price. Any reason not to go with Pro?
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One of the things one review mentioned is all the "higher" level additions are additive. Unlike Vista where the business took out some of the media features of home.
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If you can read this, you're on a board populated by misogynist assholes.
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Reg
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Ars Technica said the upgrade seemed to work remarkably well.
Both an upgrade from XP Pro and an upgrade from Windows Vista have gone well for me. Very pleased. That's good to hear. Thanks guys. |
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Yegolev
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Anyone done a upgrade from Win7 RC to Win7 retail, or is that unpossible?
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Why am I homeless? Why do all you motherfuckers need homes is the real question.
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Kitsune
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When I googled around about that, I found a hack to go from RC to full retail, but it involved editing the files on the install disk to fool it into working. Basically a pain in the ass. I just wiped and clean installed.
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Yegolev
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Sounds like the beta-to-RC upgrade hack, which wasn't really a pain. I suppose my main question is if the upgrade would actually overwrite system files and settings since I'm fairly sure my RC install is a tad crappy and I'd want an upgrade instead of an "upgrade" but without the hassle of reinstalling everything I have ever installed since 1993. Tired of doing that.
Very remotely tangental, from a Mac vs PC commercial: what is it that the people moving from PC to Mac have in those boxes?
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Why am I homeless? Why do all you motherfuckers need homes is the real question.
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Nerf
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The RC to retail hack was incredibly easy, changed 2 words on a registry entry and one word in one file of the installer and done. Took an extra 5-10 minutes tops.
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Technet subscription FTW  I want to make sweet sweet love to the Windows 7 GUI. |
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Sheepherder
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Another dumb question. Seems as if I can upgrade into Win7 Home Premium for $30, but after clicking around it looks like I can get Win7 Professional for the same price. Any reason not to go with Pro? Are you anal about clean installs to the point where you considered running TinyBSD? |
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Prospero
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I really like the custom menus off of the task bar icons. Steam's is particularly nice.
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Hawkbit
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I bought the Win7 Pro student deal last night. It downloaded a .exe and two .box files, then I had to finagle a way to flip them into an .iso. I got that figured out, burned the DVD, backed up what little I needed to and took the plunge. Started at 11pm, finished the main install and software/driver reload about 2am.
Install went pretty smooth overall. What little problems I had were things I did wrong or didn't understand properly. I'm hoping by having a legit XPPro disk/key and a legit .iso DVD I burned with the Win7 key that I won't run into problems later if I need to reinstall.
My first concern, though, is that under XPPro I tweaked it to look like 98 and ended up having a smallish 350mb page file running while idle. Damn Win7 is running over 1 gig idle!! That seems way too high. Anyone know of any tweak sites to bring that down a bit by shutting down unnecessary processes?
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Anyone know of any tweak sites to bring that down a bit by shutting down unnecessary processes?
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Viin
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My first concern, though, is that under XPPro I tweaked it to look like 98 and ended up having a smallish 350mb page file running while idle. Damn Win7 is running over 1 gig idle!! That seems way too high. Anyone know of any tweak sites to bring that down a bit by shutting down unnecessary processes?
I think there is some discussion about this here or in the tech thread or some such. Basically, Windows is going to use (allocate) everything it thinks it needs, and only use it when necessary. It'll free it up too, if needed by other processes. Personally, I wouldn't be worried about it in Win7 - Yeah XP and certainly 98 needed tweaking, but Win7's management of that stuff is very good. |
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Reg
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I've got 4 gig of memory and Vista 64 and my pc idles with about 1.5 meg of memory used too. When I've got a bunch of stuff running it goes up to 2.2 or so. I've never seen it get much higher than that.
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Trippy
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My first concern, though, is that under XPPro I tweaked it to look like 98 and ended up having a smallish 350mb page file running while idle. Damn Win7 is running over 1 gig idle!! That seems way too high. Anyone know of any tweak sites to bring that down a bit by shutting down unnecessary processes?
I think there is some discussion about this here or in the tech thread or some such. Basically, Windows is going to use (allocate) everything it thinks it needs, and only use it when necessary. It'll free it up too, if needed by other processes. Personally, I wouldn't be worried about it in Win7 - Yeah XP and certainly 98 needed tweaking, but Win7's management of that stuff is very good. It was the other Windows 7 thread: http://forums.f13.net/index.php?topic=15813.msg675779#msg675779Just leave the damn paging file alone! (Well it's better to make it a fixed size than to let Windows size it dynamically but other than that...) |
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Pigiron
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My first concern, though, is that under XPPro I tweaked it to look like 98 and ended up having a smallish 350mb page file running while idle. Damn Win7 is running over 1 gig idle!! That seems way too high. Anyone know of any tweak sites to bring that down a bit by shutting down unnecessary processes?
http://www.blackviper.com/Windows_7/servicecfg.htmI got mine down to 800mb or so at startup. After the computer has been running for awhile, it creeps up to 2gb of memory usage and stabilizes there. |
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fuser
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Had a chance to see directaccess in production. Pretty slick feature for 7 but you need enterprise/ultimate edition and at least one server 2008 R2 to act as the gateway. Basically its always on IPsec VPN running over pure ipv6 that fails down to 6to4, teredo, and if all else fails SSL tunnel . The IPsec tunnel then permits traffic on to the internal network if you pass NAP tests. It sets up DNS namespace routing on the client so you can point widgets.net to your internal resolver to result in a pretty seamless experience. Pretty neat enterprise stuff as now your clients on hotspots,etc should have no way to escape your GPO clutches  |
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Okay, is there a tangible reason to upgrade to this from Vista 64 that is running pretty well?
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SnakeCharmer
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Honestly? It's Vista improved by a thousand percent. I liked Vista, and didn't have any issues with it. That said, 7 is just better in every way. It's faster, more responsive, and easier on the eyes.
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schild
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I just got 7 at work.
Yea, I'm reformatting soon. This shit is off the hook.
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So the answer would be "yes" then. Okay. Crap.
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Yegolev
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Went to get some W7 from newegg (F13 LINK PIMP) and the 3-pack is "OEM". Historically I would not hesitate but I have to ask if there is some gotcha to getting the OEM variety. I also interpret "gotcha" to include "mild annoyance".
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Why am I homeless? Why do all you motherfuckers need homes is the real question.
They called it The Prayer, its answer was law
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OEM, as I understood it, can only be installed on one computer period. Otherwise you can put your copy of windows on as many computers as you would like, one at a time.
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Engels
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Okay, is there a tangible reason to upgrade to this from Vista 64 that is running pretty well?
Mileage may vary. I have tried both and I'm back to Vista. I'm going to wait a while to use Win7. |
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schild
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Seriously need to find a student. >_>
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There's plenty of hot students in Austin, bro. Surely you can drum one up somehow.
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schild
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:effort:
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SnakeCharmer
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Went to get some W7 from newegg (F13 LINK PIMP) and the 3-pack is "OEM". Historically I would not hesitate but I have to ask if there is some gotcha to getting the OEM variety. I also interpret "gotcha" to include "mild annoyance".
I used the Vista 64 OEM and never had an issue, even after rebuilding/reinstalling the 'same' rig twice with completely new hardware. I bought the OEM full version of W7 as well. No issues. I was concerned on initial purchase that I could only use that OEM with one mobo or harddrive or something. But I logged into help chat with MS, asked if I would ever have any issues and the answer was no, the OS is mine to put it on as many builds as I wanted to, but only one computer could be registered to it at any given time. |
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