Yegolev
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I'd not use the word "everything".
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Why am I homeless? Why do all you motherfuckers need homes is the real question.
They called it The Prayer, its answer was law
Mommy come back 'cause the water's all gone
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Riggswolfe
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I  the movies. I enjoy the books too though there are parts that drag a bit frankly. Oh, and Tolkien is amazing at description but utter shit when it comes to the action. Ten pages about the flowers in the fields. A paragraph about a major battle that will influence things for hundreds of years. I'm exaggerating but still... |
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Lucas
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I the movies. I enjoy the books too though there are parts that drag a bit frankly. Oh, and Tolkien is amazing at description but utter shit when it comes to the action. Ten pages about the flowers in the fields. A paragraph about a major battle that will influence things for hundreds of years. I'm exaggerating but still... No wonder Robert Jordan (Wheel of Time series) was often referred as "Tolkien on steroids" :P Loved every second of each movie. The charge of the Rohirrim in ROTK is the best and most emotional thing I've ever seen in a movie theatre. |
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patience
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Peter Jackson's films are a really neat adaptaion of the animated movie by Bakshi. Once you realize that, and they they're really not adaptations of the books, everything works out.
Extremely late to this thread but what? |
OP is assuming its somewhat of a design-goal of eve to make players happy.
this is however not the case.
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Aez
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I have no problem with his arguments and opinions but he's very annoying to look and listen at. I'd like to punch him in the face.
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Ratman_tf
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Peter Jackson's films are a really neat adaptaion of the animated movie by Bakshi. Once you realize that, and they they're really not adaptations of the books, everything works out.
Extremely late to this thread but what?What what? Annoyingnerdguy even pointed out one of the big tells, that Bakshi's and Jackson's story structures are so close that TT ended in the exact same way that the animated movie did. They're obvoisly not identical, but I'd bet my last dollar that Jackson took much more inspiration from the Bakshi version than he did from the books. |
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Abagadro
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They settled the Tolkien estate litigation today so that clears the way for the Del Toro-directed Hobbit films.
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"As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.”
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Yegolev
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This can only end well. And with nerdrage, but what else is new?
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Why am I homeless? Why do all you motherfuckers need homes is the real question.
They called it The Prayer, its answer was law
Mommy come back 'cause the water's all gone
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Johny Cee
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I'm honestly not that excited about Del Toro's take on the Hobbit. I can't say I've really enjoyed anything he's done, besides maybe Chronos. Pan's Labyrinth was alright, but Del Toro is sooooo fucking heavy-handed. This might delay the movie a year or two, at worst. I think the Bond movies and the Hobbit are the two big money makers on the horizon for MGM, and they're more in danger of having those two franchises pulled and moved somewhere else. |
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Der Helm
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Is this thread basically what it is like to do a degree in literature? Because I like to believe so  No, I think that to get a degree in Lit you have to agree with what your professors tell you and parrot it back to them.  You are wrong.
No. If it had been like this, I'd have been sent down for putting some bodies in the ground.
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FatuousTwat
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I'm honestly not that excited about Del Toro's take on the Hobbit. I can't say I've really enjoyed anything he's done, besides maybe Chronos. Pan's Labyrinth was alright, but Del Toro is sooooo fucking heavy-handed. I agree. The Devil's Backbone was pretty good, but the rest I've seen have been meh. |
Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
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VainEldritch
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I'm honestly not that excited about Del Toro's take on the Hobbit. I can't say I've really enjoyed anything he's done, besides maybe Chronos. Pan's Labyrinth was alright, but Del Toro is sooooo fucking heavy-handed.
I'm optimistic about Del Toro - I'd rather see a heavy handed whimsical interpretation from GDT than the inevitable unforgivable mess as delivered in suppository form by the antipodean fuckwit trio. |
'Twas brillig, and the slithy toves
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All mimsy were the borogoves,
And the mome raths outgrabe.
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Ironwood
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You're a little late to the party.
Also, boring.
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Yegolev
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Today is a bad to to make me look up a word in a dictionary, so eat my dick regarding 'antipodean'.
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Why am I homeless? Why do all you motherfuckers need homes is the real question.
They called it The Prayer, its answer was law
Mommy come back 'cause the water's all gone
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Khaldun
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Considering that he was talking about suppository form, my response was more "stuff it up your ass".
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NowhereMan
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Today is a bad to to make me look up a word in a dictionary, so eat my dick regarding 'antipodean'.
You've never heard antipodean before? That ancient Greek joke about the ridiculousness of having people living on the underside of the sphere we all inhabit, the sheer absurdity of people with 'backwards feet' that was adopted as a genuine adjective to describe our southern hemisphere counterparts on the counterweight continent? I thought everyone knew about that. |
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Tarami
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I have no idea whom you're trying to ridicule.
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- I'm giving you this one for free.
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NowhereMan
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Neither do I.
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tgr
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I hate you, you made me laugh out loud at work. What got me was when he compared the return of the king stint, right at the end. That face. |
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stray
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I can't get into the books, but the movies are cool. Especially the first one. The last one just seems full of battles, and starts wearing me down, but there are good parts there as well. Kind of curious if there is more "Ranger" period to Aragorn in the books? He never got any cooler than he was in that pub that the Hobbits first met him in.
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NowhereMan
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Not a huge amount but there are actually other rangers in the books that he gets to talk to and battle alongside. They're all the remaining 'true men' of Gondor.
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Morat20
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I can't get into the books, but the movies are cool. Especially the first one. The last one just seems full of battles, and starts wearing me down, but there are good parts there as well. Kind of curious if there is more "Ranger" period to Aragorn in the books? He never got any cooler than he was in that pub that the Hobbits first met him in.
The Rangers are the last remaining men of some kingly line (the King of Gondor, yes, but it goes back further than that. I think Gondor was a degenerate lesser offspring of some other destroyed kingdom). The few remaining basically spend their time running around north of the Hobbits and Bree, killing all the nasty shit and thus letting the Hobbits have their idyllic lives. Aragorn personally was raised in Rivendell, but spent a few decades roaming between Rivendell and the wilds being all badass with his kin. Admittedly, none of them are as badass as him, but they're all supposedly at least two or three levels more badass than ye old average human. |
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NowhereMan
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Yeah they're descended from the first men of the West who hung out with the first Elves to journey to the land of men. The basic theme of Tolkein's stuff is that things were way more badass back in the day and everything's slowly getting worse. Sauron himself starts out as the Lieutenant to the real big bad (whose name I forget) and basicallly the real bad asses of the LoTR are the people who got to be hang out with and help the ancient heroes/villains.
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Ironwood
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Morgoth.
Or Melkor.
And his fucking hammer was called Grond. He could really smack that fucker around.
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stray
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Isn't Grond the big wolfhead battling ram in the Return of the King movie?
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Morat20
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Isn't Grond the big wolfhead battling ram in the Return of the King movie?
That just goes to show how much more badass things were in the old days. Back then, Grond was a hammer. Now days, it's a seige weapon. |
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Ironwood
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You'll never guess what they named the battering ram after...
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Khaldun
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When you read the Silmarillion, one of the things that takes some getting used to is realizing that Morgoth's armies had quite a few Balrogs in them, but that there were also some Elves capable of going mano-a-mano with a Balrog. That's just one of the ways that Tolkien drives the point home that the most mind-blowing confrontations in LoTR are just pale echoes of the First Age. He also keeps suggesting that there was beauty and wonder in that time which nothing in the Third Age can even approximate, but here Tolkien is a quintessential "tell not show" kind of writer, maybe because there isn't any way to take that particular dial up to 11.
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Ironwood
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Both Shelob and Smaug are described as titchy wee versions of spiders and dragons of old.
Everything was supersized back in the day and could rend mountains asunder with their teeth.
It's a recurring theme in the books. One suspects that the 4th and 5th ages made hobbits into The Lollypop Kids.
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stray
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I guess there's that parallel in "real" myths that are only touched upon.. i.e. Age of Titans fighting Gods or in other cultures where Giant monkey headed dudes riding griffons were a common sight. Or maybe even biblical. Like Goliath being standout, but the texts referring to a time where there were once a bunch of crazy fuckers running around like that.
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NowhereMan
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It's a general thing in mythology, there was a golden age long ago and we're all just poor descendants of those great far away times. When Oisin comes back form Tir Na Nog he's able to lift huge boulders that the people of 'modern' times can't even roll or how Hercules and the Demi-Gods are all in the past or even how God used to come down and personally fuck people's shit up and Noah lived to 400 years old. People used to be bad ass and awesome, now we all suck.
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stray
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People used to be bad ass and awesome, now we all suck.
My old man kind of says the same thing. |
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Sheepherder
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or even how God used to come down and personally fuck people's shit up and Noah lived to 400 years old. Like Morgoth and Hurin. |
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stray
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I liked Robert Howard's take. "Between the times when the oceans drank Atlantis... "
Every fantasy movie should have that old Chinese dude narrating too.. Just to tell you how awesome the olden days were.
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