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Ratman_tf
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It still had a better plot though because someone wanted to tell a story, Hogwash. Tron was about Lisberger making a funky movie about glowing video game guys 1st. Story was a distant 2nd. I liked it as much as the next neckbeard, but great movie it wasn't. And I think Legacy had a better story, and more importantly, told it better to boot. |
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« Last Edit: May 03, 2011, 01:17:39 PM by Ratman_tf »
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Ironwood
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Yeah, the story for the original Tron was so paperthin, the ending was pretty much a quick shot on a roof with a 'yay, we did it.' Not sure what they did, but they did something. Proved a game belonged to Flynn. Thereby bringing the dark master down. Somehow.
Whoo, Deep.
But you didn't really care. It was fun.
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Arthur_Parker
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It still had a better plot though because someone wanted to tell a story, Hogwash. Tron was about Lisberger making a funky movie about glowing video game guys 1st. Story was a distant 2nd. I liked it as much as the next neckbeard, but great movie it wasn't. And I think Legacy had a better story, and more importantly, told it better to boot. I didn't like or dislike this movie enough to argue about it at any length. I don't mind complicated plots, not that this was complicated but I do feel anything added to the plot should be of benefit. On that note Michael Sheen is a really talented actor and yet I didn't like him in this at all. Edit somebody mentioned Krull a page back, Hawk The Slayer - the best bits. |
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« Last Edit: May 03, 2011, 02:05:13 PM by Arthur_Parker »
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eldaec
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I enjoyed it a lot on a visual level and for the sheer spectical.
If we are going to talk about plot holes - a realtively minor one really annoyed me:
- Flynn is going to the arcade every night to visit the Grid
- He comes home the same night/next morning
- So how the hell is the exit from the grid 30 miles away from the entry point, on top of a fucking mountain?
Did he spend his entire time there just traveling to the exit every time he logged in?
This was covered in the film (and I think in the orginal but not sure). Real time runs far slower than Grid time, Flynn was in there for like a month at a time or something, but only one night passes irl. I thought they did a decent job of running the sequel on 1980s cyber movie logic. Though it was unclear to me why Flynn's personality had been replaced by that of The Dude. |
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Ratman_tf
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Though it was unclear to me why Flynn's personality had been replaced by that of The Dude.
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Lakov_Sanite
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Shamelessly stolen from tron forums
Essentially enough time to go crazy, or have sex with that program girl a LOT
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Though it was unclear to me why Flynn's personality had been replaced by that of The Dude.
Well two things, one, they more or less gave Jeff Bridges carte blanche in how he played Flynn. Heck I think he wrote some of the dialogue himself and two, honestly, Flynn was already a hippy in the first movie to my memory. He doesn't seem all that different in the second one. |
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Ironwood
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Yeah, I honestly thought Flynn was done right. I just didn't care about him because he's pretty much scenery until he dons his robe and wizard hat.
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Though it was unclear to me why Flynn's personality had been replaced by that of The Dude.
Well two things, one, they more or less gave Jeff Bridges carte blanche in how he played Flynn. Heck I think he wrote some of the dialogue himself and two, honestly, Flynn was already a hippy in the first movie to my memory. He doesn't seem all that different in the second one. He was a hippy and it was strongly implied that one reason he owned the arcade was because it let him bone slutty teenage chicks. He's the same guy, just older and creating the slutty teenage chicks in TL. |
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I liked Jeff B in it. I wonder if he bothered to re-watch the original and how tough was it for him to avoid playing "The Dude".
The thing I keep coming back to on this movie is The Grid. It's such a mystery to me and I'd love to find out more about it and the programs that "live" there. I mean we see programs enjoy death sports and a drink at that bar but what else? Are there hippy programs since Flynn designed them? Is the Grid still Flynn's vision, or have they evolved past his design?
There are untold stories still in there...TIME TO WRITE SOME FANFIC!
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Lakov_Sanite
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"I put on my light robe and cyber-wizard hat"
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The nightclub with Zuse or whatever his name was, was the only part that really annoyed me. He was a bit too over the top.
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There are untold stories still in there...TIME TO WRITE SOME FANFIC!
"Slowly he ran his hand down her bare back, the circuits of his fingers pulsated in a soft blue incandescent glow of desire..."
ENJOY!* *Disclaimer - I make no claims regarding the quality of anything you find on FF.net. Don't blame me if you need brain bleach afterwards. |
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HaemishM
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The nightclub with Zuse or whatever his name was, was the only part that really annoyed me. He was a bit too over the top.
Yeah. It was the typical "it's a sci-fi movie, we have to have a ravy nightclub in it SOMEWHERE! The kids love their raves!" kind of writing. |
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Lakov_Sanite
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It felt like theywere trying to say that programs were more advanced now and felt more 'human' and that would explain the club etc but they never just came out and said it. a line or two from flynn could have handwaved it all away
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LK
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They let the prequel video game explain that.
Yes. It's stupid. It's Star Wars logic.
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Amarr HM
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'it's bio-digital jazz, man'
Only Jeff Bridges could carry that line.
Epic film, music was unbelievably good. End credits explained why, 'Daft Punk'.
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Ratman_tf
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It's not like the original had a red light district.   |
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There was a fight scene in the club because fight scenes are so awesome they acknowledged it by hanging a big-ass neon lampshade on the fact that the DJs always play music to fight by. DAFT PUNK NODDED AT EACH OTHER THEN PLAYED AWESOME FIGHTTUNES. Then and only then did the Flipout Like A Ninja commence. And it was badass. dudududuCHH dudududuCHH dudududuCHH!
I suppose if you want to be all snooty with your monocles and caviar you can disapprove of the awesome ninjafight in cyberspace with the hiphop club and gay-dot-com digital bartender. But if so, why are you watching Tron Legacy?
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Daft Punk =/= hip hop, sirrah!
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HaemishM
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I suppose if you want to be all snooty with your monocles and caviar you can disapprove of the awesome ninjafight in cyberspace with the hiphop club and gay-dot-com digital bartender. But if so, why are you watching Tron Legacy?
I'm fine with the awesome ninjafight in cyberspace, I am just tired of every goddamn cyberpunk movie having to include a rave club. |
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Lakov_Sanite
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I suppose if you want to be all snooty with your monocles and caviar you can disapprove of the awesome ninjafight in cyberspace with the hiphop club and gay-dot-com digital bartender. But if so, why are you watching Tron Legacy?
I'm fine with the awesome ninjafight in cyberspace, I am just tired of every goddamn cyberpunk movie having to include a rave club. You must have gone to some boring ass rave clubs then. |
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Amarr HM
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I suppose if you want to be all snooty with your monocles and caviar you can disapprove of the awesome ninjafight in cyberspace with the hiphop club and gay-dot-com digital bartender. But if so, why are you watching Tron Legacy?
I concur. From the opening scene the music had me hooked, then to top it off the visuals were brilliant. Icing on the cake was a raven haired, blue eyed babe with a short fringe (that kills me) and a tight bod. Fucking nerds here bitching about lack of real plotlines and insights into the human psyche. If you didn't like this film I pity you, you're dead inside. |
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Ratman_tf
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I'm fine with the awesome ninjafight in cyberspace, I am just tired of every goddamn cyberpunk movie having to include a rave club.
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HaemishM
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Well, it's sort of cyberpunk-y. |
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Slyfeind
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Tron's as cyberpunky as Daft Punk is hiphoppy.
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HaemishM
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You're going to have to defend that. How is Tron NOT cyberpunk(-y)?
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Amarr HM
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I'm pretty sure it could be defined as Cyberpunk alright, it also alluded to Clockwork Orange.
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How is Daft Punk not hiphoppy?
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Ratman_tf
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You're going to have to defend that. How is Tron NOT cyberpunk(-y)?
Is The Six Million Dollar Man cyberpunk because it has cybernetics? |
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HaemishM
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Yes. It's cyberpunk-y. Motherfucker.  |
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Ratman_tf
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Yes. It's cyberpunk-y. Motherfucker.  |
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Argument got stupid, but at base no-one can say Tron's not cyberpunk.
You just can't.
So Don't.
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Amarr HM
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It's Cyberpunk-lite.
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