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Tron Legacy (http://www.slashfilm.com/2009/07/23/comic-con-tron-2-retitled-tron-legacy-imax-3d-concept-art-and-new-scene-revealed/)

It's at least a year away, but jeez, the concept art alone is brilliant.


edit to add:

http://www.flynnlives.com/media/video/0xendgame.aspx (http://www.flynnlives.com/media/video/0xendgame.aspx)

I was a wee lad when tron first came out but still I'm geeking all over this.

I'm with you, man. I'm with you.

But yeah, I was only two when the first one came out.

Me too.  Found a trailer for it here.  http://www.filmjunk.com/2009/07/24/tron-legacy-trailer/

I'll be in my bunk.

 :drill: the score (http://www.nme.com/news/daft-punk/43280) :drill:

I hope it's DARK! With dark moments! And dark darkness with DarkdEDaRkDARRRRRRRRRRRRKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKOMFGDARK!

Mixed feelings about the soundtrack. They have a good sound, and they say they're fans (which is always the case with these things and ALWAYS the truth!!!) but I like Wendy Carlos' stuff better for Tron.

I freaking love Tron. Always have. I've seen it a thousand times and I still tell people "Shh shutup shutup shh I like this part!"

Link to trailer downloads (http://www.flynnlives.com/media/video/0xendgame.aspx)

The Daft Punk deal is an awesome idea.  I hope the payoff is just as awesome.

Wow, great trailer!  I am definitely excited to see this one!  Daft Punk too?  Oh hells yeah!

Mmm... grimdark.

Since when were lightcycles able to swerve and move in curves? 

The mind, it boggles.

Looks cool though.

Moore's law

As soon as they left the game grid in the original movie. It's weird that they've got solid tails, not that they're non-orthagonal.

That looks motherfucking awesome.

Very very excited about this.

The 3D trailer (about 2min 20sec) should be on pretty much all showings of Alice in Wonderland 3D.  Watched it a couple nights ago and it looks pretty good.

I was wondering just last night when we'd get updated on some TRON. Hell yeah. I have a sneaking suspicion that the TRON trailer is better than Alice 3D. Still haven't seen Shutter Island or The Crazies, so I'll have to wait.

I saw this in the Cinema when it came out in Ireland 83/84, I remember being blown away by it. Looking forward to this one.

TRON made me the geek I am today, my interest in computers can be directly traced to that movie in my impressionable childhood.  While I realize that the movie isn't all that great, I still enjoy it, along with TRON 2.0.  They'd have to really fuck up Legacy to make me unhappy, as I'm just going to see digital guys in neon suits throw frisbees at each other.

Saw the trailer at Alice.  No neon suits, but neon piping instead.  Which I can't object to at all, with as many very lovely women who were in the trailer. I must find who the program on the couch was... very nice.

Do you believe in the users? (http://www.program-glitch-esc.net/)

(http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h292/ahoythematey/bowman.jpg)

Yes, very much yes.

One of the early comments over on io9 put it better than I ever could (http://io9.com/comment/20270278/):

This is looking damn good.  I hate trailers because they give most of the movie away, but it's soooo hard NOT to get a sneak peek.  With Jeff Bridges winning the Oscar, that could give serious push behind this movie.  I do hope they have Bit floating around somewhere and yes, that girl is stunning.

Apparently the music played with the trailer was custom made for it.  I cannot wait to hear that soundtrack.

I am still opposed to a sequel to Tron, but this is possibly the best trailer I've ever seen. This is beyond awesome.

Olivia Wilde seems pretty enthused about it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWtvwG4cfdE

I'm a little skeptical, but the visuals do look quite slick and it sounds like they have a lot of the original team back to work on it -- I'm curious to see if the story/script they end up with can live up the the vfx.

I can google her, but who is Olivia Wilde?

The program on the couch in the second trailer.

!

13 from House

When she says "when it came out I hadn't come out" I realized how long ago it was that I saw Tron in the theaters and how old I am. /sadf

This is the movie Iron Man 2 wishes it could be.

I used to think that Tron was such a fairy tale,
Until that first hello, until that first smile.
But if I had to do it all again
I wouldnt change a thing, cause Tron is everlasting.

Suddenly, life has new meaning to me.
There's beauty up above, and things we never take notice of.
You wake up, suddenly...Tron Legacy.

Did you just nerd out to Billy Ocean?

This was the second movie I saw in a theater, so I am right there with ya on that mall bench oogling the high school girls with my pants up around my collar bones.

(SSC: first movie in a theater was Dark Crystal, and the first movie I ever went to was Star Wars in a Drive-In with my mom)

That was kinda an allusion to Family Guy when Peter sings that song about something amazing.

 :drill:

I can't tell whether I should be offended at the hyper-sexualized females in the trailer or oogle.

Sure, I'd stick my jack into their I/O port and transfer some data, but I hope they're more than eye candy when it hits.

Eye candy meh. The trailer had me as soon as I heard Bruce Boxleitner. I'm also impressed that this movie has not only the bearded, crusty Jeff Bridges... but also a younger, clean-shaven Jeff Bridges. I'll hold back my inner fanboy until a good body of reviews are out in 2011.

Holy crap, that is.  She should keep her hair short and dark, very nice.  Not having that hollowed-out cheek look helps a lot, too.

I don't mind that the programs may have more human touches in this, afterall we're to assume that jeff bridges has been living inside the pc for some time, i cannot imagine his not having an affect.

That Olivia Wilde interview kinda starts out with the usual actor crap, "I was excited to be a part of this and career is growing with stuff and blah blah" but towards the middle it actually got kinda interesting.

And she's sweaty. I'll bet Olivia Wilde's sweat smells like cotton candy.

 :facepalm:

Looks sweet. Really hopeful that the tech to create the young JB isn't too hokey.

Yeah, she seemed genuinely excited about the movie and what they were doing, not just spouting generic pr fluff.

Judging by that quick shot of him - or possibly Clu - on the rising platform, they did a good job.  He doesn't look exactly like the young Jeff Bridges did, but he does still look like a young Jeff Bridges, if that makes any sense.  I'm looking forward to seeing the effect used on Bruce Boxleitner for the Tron appearances.

I'd be worried about the silliness of that air-guitaring nightclub owner guy if I didn't know it was Michael Sheen.  I like just about everything he does.
The new recognizer?   :Love_Letters:

I'm really liking how they modernized the visuals yet managed to keep a lot of the feel of the original.

For anyone who hasn't seen the trailer in theatres yet... www.program-glitch-esc.net

I am seriously loving this. They've nailed the tone and atmosphere so hard. Fantastic bit of score, too.

Feeling happy about this one.

Daft Punk soundtrack is delicious.

I googled her first!  :grin:

You know how, in the Matrix trilogy, the matrix world is all green-screen, but the real world is all blue and white?

...

TRON IS MORE REAL THAN THE REAL WORLD!

 :awesome_for_real:

In both The Matrix and Tron films, video game players / hackers are all attractive men while the females are all stunning and dressed in tight-fitting costumes.

Discuss.

Flynn's arcade in the 80's was packed with totally hot chicks, too.

Did the old movie imply Flynn was banging underage girls?  There was a weird scene where the female lead gave Flynn a very strange look up in his loft.  I need to re-watch it.

Or maybe I'm projecting!  :drill:

Hollywood. The majority of Americans are overweight, yet all the American-based movies almost always have slender actors on screen. Movies = beautiful people ~ utopia. :D

Loved the original Tron.  This one looks terrible.

Yeah, I noticed that too, last time I watched it. Then Cyndy Morgan was like "All his friends are 14 years old!" Creepy guy!

Sir, we're gonna have to revoke your man card.

That said, my god, even when she's not hot, she's hot.

http://www.encominternational.com/default.htm (http://www.encominternational.com/default.htm)

This is a new viral website for Tron Legacy.

We get Bill Gates. They get Kevin Flynn.

I didn't even think of this, but I've been casually following along with the ARG (not nearly s closely as other games), and managed to score an awesome little piece of schwag after completing the game http://www.arcadeaid.com/challengingstage/


The QR code leads to http://www.encominternational.com/login.aspx

Anyway, neat stuff. Here's the wiki at http://tron.wikibruce.com/Home

Well that was fucking humbling.

How in the heck are you supposed to know all those games? I'm a major arcade gamer and stuff but I know very little of those...

Edit: Oh...duh. Most of those are just symbolic of the game. I was thinking those were literal icons for games.

Many are NOT arcade games. I'm at 30/56 and they have some very new titles in there.

Once I found Halo I clued into that.

That Encom International site is great. Holy crap, Alan Bradley looks totally like a corporate exec, and I don't mean like an actor playing a corporate exec.

EDIT: WHAT! A login???

Edit 2: Oh. I just read the above post. I thought that was something new. K NM!

32 so far. Some of these are pretty esoteric, and I just simply don't have a clue about a few others - like the metal bear thing and the snake soup. Wat.

[EDIT=33, finally worked out missile command. D'oh.]

[EDIT=43 now... god, some of these are just downright mean. I am very annoyed with my brain, right now. I only just noticed Paperboy...]

I think I had to read spoilers for the last six. Some of them are really obscure.

Interview with Alan:

http://stars.ign.com/dor/objects/66676/alan-bradley/videos/alanbradley_encom_interview_032310.html?show=hi

HMMM HE SEEMS ELUSIVE!

Wife and I did really well on that quiz, but defender ?  That's an Americanism and fucked both of us right off.

She was even on the right track and said 'debumper' to which I said 'Shut Up.'

Don't I look silly.

Some of them are very heavily Americanised. I would never have got Defender (thanks!), and there were a couple of others I definitely struggled with. Including NBA Jam - I got the Jam part, but NBA was elluding me. I also got a couple with sheer guessing - I've never heard of 'Tiger Heli' in my entire life, and I'm very much NES generation. I'm stuck at 51/56.

What was Defender called in the UK?

Don't make me kill you.

In mother UK fender is bumper. I preferred Ironwood's though.

I'm confused. I went back and looked at the quiz, and I could find no icon or anything that reminded me of this Defender game (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defender_(video_game)). Am I being particularly dense here?

Are they suggesting the soldiers guarding the truck near the Hydrogen fuel station would be the guys from Defender?  That's the best I could find.  I played the hell out of defender in arcades back in the day.

Tiger Heli was awesome,  I got that one right off.  I was a bit surprised to see it on the list, though, since I didn't think it was all that popular.  Think 1943 with a helicopter.

That was Vanguard.

Yes, some of them are that obvious.

The "D" pointing at the bumper of the blue car. I don't understand how this is Americanized because we call that a bumper here too. Never in my life have I heard it called a fender, I thought debumper as well.

I was sure Fender and 'Fenderbender' to describe an auto accident were both Americanisms.

Maybe I'm wrong.

Still made it bloody hard tho.  (Timesplitters also messed with my head for a while)

It would help if they pointed to the actual fender and not the bumper.  The fender is the cowl that covers the wheel well.

Quoting myself, because...YUP!

http://www.encominternational.com/employeeintranet/bradley_long.htm

OMGAH!

No, its probably better this way, because me and everybody else I know uses the word fender as another way of saying bumper.  Actually (and I don't know if this just happens to be coincidence or a regional dialect difference), just about everybody I know calls it a fender in normal conversion, and only rarely use the word bumper.


Also, I've only made it to 40, and am getting stumped pretty badly.  I think there are some I just haven't heard of, so don't get it.  I actually made it to 41 because I read above somebody saying Tiger Heli, and I never heard of it.  I kept trying to type in Flying Tigers into that one because it was the only thing that made sense, heh.

You may PM for help. Yes, I am a gracious God.

I saw Ironwood had replied in a thread titled "Tron Legacy" and thought to myself: this ought to be good.  Now I find myself incredibly confused.  I refuse to read the previous two pages, however.

Google is also a gracious god.   :awesome_for_real:

I'm trying my damndest to see if I can get through this without spoilers (so far the only one being the tiger heli).  I am proud to say I figured out every single other one mentioned here on my own (and defender was one of the first.  :-P  Probably because of what I mentioned before).  Every other day I go take a glance at it, and suddenly one or two that I spent a ton of time trying to figure days before suddenly clicks.

I'm now on 54/56.

Two elude me entirely. The Crown on the Owl, and the Book with a Bull and an R on the page. Everything else I've gotten without the need to google - including some mad guesses... there have been a lot of skateboard games over the years.

It's not a bull, think more a male goat.

Yeah, those are two that have been driving me mad.  I'm still plugging away at the skateboard one myself because, well, fuck, its a kid jumping off a ramp with a skate board.  That doesn't really help.  I was sad to see that skate or die wasn't the answer since that was one of the first NES games I ever played as a child (and my mother yelled at my father all night for letting me come home with a game called Skate or Die.  Good times).

The devil is in the details.

720 degrees? That was a skateboard game.

(have not looked at the quiz at all)

Whoops.

You may as well just have said 'Birdie King'.

Oh, another golf one? A US friend of mine got 'Golden Tee', I simply had no idea. I don't even register real golf as a game, let alone digitized versions of extreme boredom.

Golden Tee is the one in the bars with the trackball you spin wildly while drunk.  So, it's actually the closest to real golf of all the golf games.

Yeah, I got golden tee right off, everybody has at least some fuzzy memories of that game!

Rampage and Spy hunter gave me a bit of trouble as did shadow of the colossus.

Holy shit, south park just got awesome.

What a bloody coincidence that I just deactivated my Facebook profile.

Encom clearance arrived today!

Full Theaterical Trailer Hits

http://blastr.com/2010/07/new-full-length-tron-legacy-trailer-will-blow-your-mind.php

It's a long haul until December.

Why the fuck did they delay it a few days instead of putting it in front of Inception.  I saw it at Imax, and they played the old Tron trailer in front of it.  Seeing the new trailer in imax would have been awesome.   :oh_i_see:

I'm getting a very religious vibe off of the Flynn duality there....and I like it.  :drill:

Man, the sound design in this is going to be unreal.

Even in the trailer, the director is already lobbying to get the gig for The Black Hole remake. I'm going to netflix the original.

Ooooh, danger.  Do not fuck up The Black Hole.

Do you want a lightcycle? Well now you can have one (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Custom-Built-Motorcycles-Pro-Street-LightCycle-Tron-Lightcycle-Light-Cycle-Bike-Full-Size-Running-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem335e7377dcQQitemZ220627957724QQptZUSQ5fmotorcycles#ht_722wt_1093&afsrc=1)

 :ye_gods:

 :drill: :drill: :drill:

jeezus christ I can see that cruising down the MacArthur Causeway on a Friday night ... I would pee myself seeing that.

Same in Canada. A fender is the part of the car over the wheel well.

I stalled out around 27. Tiger Heli? Whose retarded cousin named that game?

I wonder how safe that Light Cycle is without movie magic keeping it on the road.

I just wonder how it is cornering.

 :grin:

Wouldn't those casings over the wheels limit its ability to lean, and also its turning ability?

Turning is overrated when your motorcycle is made out of AWESOME.

Can't argue with that.

So it is written, so shall it be.  :awesome_for_real:

I dunno. Would the casings cause problems with a Light Cycle turning instant 90 degree corners and leaving a solid wall of light behind it?

That's not light, that's concentrated awesome.  :drill:

http://www.hulu.com/watch/41904/family-guy-peter-tron

Holy crap, this movie looks better with every trailer.   :drill: :drill: :drill:

Soundtrack samples are starting to pop up. Several are here:

Getting chills. (http://blogs.1077theend.com/internbryce/2010/07/22/new-daft-punk-zomg/)

Do femme TRON programs have vaginas?   Insert the awesome here (http://starworksny.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/8-Olivia-Wilde-500x400.jpg)

I was talking about the real one.  :oh_i_see:

Perhaps the casing will probably just hide the wheel, meaning it'll turn inside of it while the casing remains static.  If the wheel is a slick tire, you wont be able to tell the difference.

You know, from the first movie, I would have said No. But the sequel seems to having the world of Tron be a bit more like the 'real' one. So maybe?  :grin:

Sex is but a game inside the machine.
That, and/or simply a merging of two files.   :awesome_for_real:

They should have two programs cybering in the background of a scene, and since the programs resemble the users, it would be a couple of programs that look like fat 30something nerds.  :awesome_for_real: :uhrr:

I would fear meeting any Japanese dating sims or oh gawd, second life in tron.

I wonder how much influence Tron 2.0 The Game had on this. Also: it's sad that it's non-canon now.

Edit: sad, not said.

That's new.  Everything I've heard about the game so far was that they worked closely with the movie makers to tie the stories together.

Tron 2.0 was the game from yesteryear where Jet Bradley was the star.

More information. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tron_2.0)

It was a pretty good game. I'm sure they referenced the IP additions they made when making this movie.

Yeah, the Tron 2.0 game was based around the adventures of Jet Bradly, son of Alan Bradly, during some kind of hostile takeover of the Encom company by an agency who wanted to use the Digitization tech to create the ultimate Cyber Spys.

Tron Legacy is based on the adventures of Kevin Flynn and his son.

I imagine they might not be able to keep Tron 2.0 in continuity, because of the things that happen in the corporate side of Encom, rather then anything that might happen in the Digital Space.

Nah, Tron 2.0 has nothing to do with Tron Legacy. I can't find any primary sources, but a few minutes of googling should dredge up an interview or two.

Well, some of the confusion may come from one of the plot devices in Tron 2.0, where you are searching for the "Tron Legacy Code", some old code for the original Tron Program that was not compiled into the "build" that was the Tron program in the first movie.

I know Tron 2.0 isn't canon, I was referring to the new game that they are making to coincide with the movie.

There were plans for a Tron 2.0 movie being batted around at the time the game came out.  Mentions were made of 'hip new generations of young users with extreme digital sports', so it's probably for the best that it was never made, because it sounded utterly retarded.

And yeah, the 2.0 and Legacy versions of the future of Tron are pretty mutually exclusive.  Legacy Alan seems oblivious of the digital world, which wouldn't've been possible had the events in 2.0 occurred.

Not that I disagree that 2.0 and Legacy are incompatible, but Alan had that knowing smile look when he says "wouldn't that be something" in the trailer, so I suspect he does know.

Yeah that's the feeling I get too. Flynn and Alan were friends. He woulda told him about it, probably at great length. Hell, they still had the laser. He might have taken him there...!

Arcade Aid has been updated to 167 challenges. yarrrrrrgh :D

http://www.arcadeaid.com/

New trailer up

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4RiUy23e9s&feature=player_embedded

Fuck. Yeah.

Where the hell is the Tron 'program' in all of this??
I'm gonna assume he's in there somewhere... just no mention of it in the trailers.

In re. this new trailer:   :heart:

I have been following this on failbook since I fan'd it. Nice teaser trailers and what-not, but this was my question too. Have to wait and see, but since no mention of Tron the program make me think he was destroyed... Maybe Flynn wrote another CLU program which went rogue? no ideas.

Mmmmk, I figured out who those loadout programs were.  They're called 'sirens.'
Google-Image these names and feast thine eyes:

-Serinda Swan
-Beau Garrett  (the lead siren)
-Yaya Dacosta
-Elizabeth Mathis

They should rename this flick Tron: Sexorrz.
Taken as a whole though, could there be more of a boner movie ever devised?  You're combining sensory overloading graphics in a gaming environment, complete with gladiatorial games, sick weapons, and femme fatale types who dress you and say how badass you are... whilst riding superbikes, hovertanks, and digi-gunships.  I will be very surprised if this game errr movie fails.  And uhhh, how can I move to this place?  Someone build me a fuckin molecular de/re-constructing laser!   :tantrum:

I'd love to see someone get put into a computer and then get pwned within the first 10secs by some l33t promgram that has been pvping his entire life. Right before your pixels disperse you would get a taste of digital teabagging firsthand.

 :awesome_for_real: :drill:

http://www.topspeed.com/motorcycles/motorcycle-news/tron-legacy-pro-street-cbr-r1-lightcycle-for-sale-on-ebay-ar92823.html

Still love to at least see a real light cycle on the street. Probably handle like shit and what-not, but nothing can out-do the cool factor of ripping this down a busy city street about 11pm at night.

Fuck. Yeah.



Nearly twice the price of a MV Augusta F4RR though.

For a mild spoiler:
Also, regarding the Sirens, there is a full scene with them where they get Sam "suited up" so he looks like a proper program, which is pretty awesome.

They should have named the sequel Troff.

I see what you did there.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TROFF (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TROFF)

I got a feeling some young guy was infatuated with Tron, rose through the ranks in Disney, and put himself into a position of power to be able to green light a sequel, at which point he made sure it was chock full of gamer nerdcore sexual fluff like those Sirens.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1104001/

Looking at the cast list, Alan is back which means TRON should still be around though most likely in quarantine somewhere.

And CLU 2.0? Would have been classier to make it some insane number like 3.1.1  :why_so_serious:

fakeedit: I also think it funny Olivia is topping the list before Bridges.

Olivia should be on the top of everything.

Starting with me.

You didn't watch the trailer?  Alan's in it - he's the one telling Sam that he's just got a page from Kevin's office.

Not to derail too badly but I'd say pretty much any movie with Michelle Pfeiffer.

Jesus I completely missed that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lk6pNcLDL_I

so, daft punk are actually inside the computer. Not enough  :drill: faces to describe that really.

Was that Bowie in the video with the cane? :awesome_for_real:

It was Frost.

I had to search to figure out what that meant. I R behind on movies.

:(

It's actors I'm behind on, not roles. Couldn't remember his real name.

 :awesome_for_real:

Has anyone seen the original Tron recently?  If so, how does it hold up?

Reason I ask is because I don't think I've seen in since it came out, and I don't remember any of it.

"Tron" has its charms. What sets is apart the most is its appearance and imagination - characters are acting are (at best) so-so.

I think it's much as it always was: a kind of stiffness in the acting and storytelling that ends up working in favor of the film as it accentuates the feeling of a machine-like, cold mood inside the computer world, makes the programs feel like abbreviated, not fully alive intelligences. Most the visuals still impress me a lot, except for the weird bit with the grid bugs near the end, which always stood out as a visual failure.

It's been running on Sky Movies for a couple of months now, clearly building from the Hype.  Elena LOVES IT.  She watches it every time it's on.  For my part, it's just as cool as I remember it and in HD it's really quite nice to look at.  It's an utterly ridiculous story that simply can't be taken at face value at all, but it's Tron so who gives a ratfuck.  (In particular, the corporate storyline is simply laughable.)

It holds up quite well, but it's an effects movie and it always was.  I suspect strongly that the Follow up will be much the same and, frankly, just as good.

tldr: Four Year Olds, dude.

Sadly, I had this on VHS for the longest time and ignored it. Ever since my mass tape purge, I missed it so I picked it off a torrent. I echo what everyone said so far, it's dated but it such a way that it knits itself nicely in the timeframe of when the movie came out. You can almost forgive the raw nature of it given the raw nature of computer technology at that time. I watch it more for the nostalgia factor. It's one of my top 10 in that respect.

It should look great in HD, it was filmed in 70mm (which was to 35mm what HD is to 480i).

Tron "Real Life" cycle game.  Build walls by walking around and force other players into walls

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sozl5eQLsFY&feature=player_embedded

Why hasn't someone made more crazy mobile game like this, or am I just behind the times again?

Because most people don't wanna be sued when some asshole lets his IPhone lead him into traffic.

A quote from the original that strikes home, as I spend my days in corporate IT:


And some philosophy:



I agree with pretty much everything you all have said regarding the film and how it's held up over time. Carlos' score has some truly excellent moments too ("Sea of Simulation" being one of my favorites).

I'm pretty geeked for Tron Legacy.

Better or worse than someone running a pedestrian over because they were texting instead of paying attention?

I'm entirely indifferent.   Assholes with Iphones need to die anyway.

Not quite the same but I have got Zombie, Run! (http://www.appbrain.com/app/zombie-run/net.peterd.zombierun) on my Android which can make a walk/run in the woods more entertaining.  Downside being that it absolutely eats battery when the GPS is on.

As the designated asshole with an iPhone representative: Fuck you. :drill:

The soundtrack is available for $4 as mp3s on Amazon.com as of ten minutes ago.

Heres the actual link if its not obvious to you (took me a bit to find it):
http://www.amazon.com/Tron-Legacy-Amazon-Exclusive-Version/dp/B004FDPOHC/ref=dm_cd_album_bb

I went ahead and just downloaded the album illegally anyways to see if I like it, I'll decide to buy it after I've heard the tracks.  :awesome_for_real:

I got it from iTunes the second it was out.

It's definitely a score, moreso than a Daft Punk album. So if you're buying it, looking for the next French electronica fix, you're going to be mostly disappointed.

That said, it's atmospheric, moody and definitely sets a nice tone for what I'm hoping the movie turns out to be.

Randomly saw the album while browsing Rhapsody and started listening.  I'm really liking it, good music to listen to while working as well.

Seconding or thirding this, I've been listening to it all day on spotify and it's really well done.

Saw it last night on IMAX 3D.  Yet another visual feast ala 'Avatar' that cant be truly appreciated unless in IMAX vid/sound.

Lotta posters are gonna be sold from this movie. 

Saw it at Imax 3D last night at midnight (was a fun carnival atmosphere).  Movie was ok, could have been better.  Plot was a bit of a mess, as it didn't really feel like the story had much direction, and was all over the place.  Also didn't really explain a number of things, which was a bit annoying.  One thing I didn't get was:


Despite all that, I still enjoyed the movie.  The visual effects where good, sound track was awesome (and helped out the movie quite a bit), and the plot wasn't terrible (I was just hoping for more).  Enjoyed the show and glad I went and saw it.

Is that a joke?

Yes, this is the most boneriffic movie for children of the 80s with a mild case of aspbergers. For everyone else, there's Suckerpunch. And about 500 other movies with hotter chicks, better destruction, and less Stupid.

So it sounds like Schild liked the movie, too.  Who else?

Surely, you motherfucking jest. I'd take Olivia Wilde over any of those tween chippies any day and four fucking times on Sunday.

That said...

That comment just made me buy two imax 3d tickets.

I said devised, not that it actually was.  Actually, on all fronts you could say they were a bit demure.

For the first time, someone has taken something relatively precious from my childhood and HASN'T RUINED IT. I am... unfamiliar with this feeling.
I've wanted more Tron since I was 7. I don't think anything could ever truly live up to a 24 year wait, but right now, I'm happy.

I walked in expecting this movie to be a catatostrophe. A trainwreck with pretty graphics.

I enjoyed it which shocked the hell out of me. The plot "twists" were all predictable, though in all fairness


I'd have to go out on a limb and say this is the rare sequel that's actually better than the original. Still, I have a feeling it'll bomb hardcore and that'll be all she wrote. Too bad because I enjoyed it and am puzzled by the very mixed reviews it's getting.

Also, the movie was riddled with symbology. It was somewhat heavy handed but there.

You're messing up my zen thing, man!

There actually currently working on a Tron CG Tv Series that will pick up where the movie left off.  Then it will be a bridge to Tron 3.  That's actually the current plan as far as I know.

I think the thing I'm most upset about is that they didn't do the crazy Stargate like "entering the computer world" sequence the first one had.  I was really looking forward to seeing them do some crazy shit with the new 3D technology for that part..... :cry:

Tron: The Cloner Tool Wars?

Figured there'd be a sequel.

Well put.  And I'd have to agree.
You could say that the flick needed another 30 mins though to truly take the concept where it needed to go.  For a movie so rife with imagery and symbolism, it was a bit too teasing.  I wanted more.

Dear god no.  :ye_gods:

Once they start spinning this out... less is more

That's what the wife figured as well.

I understand the mixed reviews this is getting.  The reviewers were all young when they saw the first Tron and have matured, they expected the movie to do so as well but it didn't.  It's still very much a Disney movie with lots of handwaving and "don't think too hard on this."   That said, it was enjoyable and I liked it aside from the fairly unsatisfactory ending which telegraphed a sequel far too much.

Wylde's acting wasn't the problem, though, I saw it as a direction problem.  It's apparent they wanted her character to be this quasi-naieve chicklette who kicks ass from her dialogue, and that's what she played.  Strong female role model she was not.  Geek fantasy analog to Athena, minus the wisdom she was. 

She kinda reminded me of a late model replicant from Bladerunner, when she shoulda been more like a wise, yet empathetic cyberninja of GitS.
Wasted character opportunity imo...  that is unless they plan a sequel.

They plan for a trilogy. However, that will depend on box office for this one and I'm thinking the reviews will kill it. We'll see.

It met my expectations (weak story, awesome visuals, good action) but the musical score was, for me, the best thing about the movie.  Would it be a stretch to think it might be good enough to be nominated for an Academy Award?

I thought the story was alright. The parable was strong. The characters were believable.

You know, this keeps getting knocked for the story but I don't really understand why. I could see it getting knocked for being a religious parable but it was a clever story IMO.

The Matrix raised the bar for intelligent action movies.  :why_so_serious:

And then shit on itself in the second and third movies.

I just got back from seeing this tonight.
I loved every bit of it. I'd say it's one of the best movies I've seen in years. Not just the wowee special effects, but I loved the story and the acting as well.

Except the 3-D. This was the first movie I've seen with the grey sunglasses 3-D technique, and I must say, it sucks ass.

(laughing) I'm the anti-you... well, sort of.  The story and acting were just about where I thought they would be - I went for the spectacle and action and hoped to not be too put-off by the story and the actors struggling with green-screen.  Success!

Well, mostly:

It was the first movie ever for me with 3D, and I have to say that I liked it (IMAX 3D showing).  Probably because the orphan animals 3D preview made me go, "wow, that's really cool, maybe 3D in movies isn't as stupid as I thought".  I have been really skeptical of 3D in general, but seems like for a movie that placed an emphasis on visuals it's a decent addition (if done well).

The 3D was nowhere near as good as Avatar's, but it also wasn't the obnoxious, sight gag-filled, point-my-finger-towards-your-face bullshit that every other 3D movie is, so that makes it the second best 3D implementation right there.

I loved this movie.  I felt like I did when I was ten and watched the first one.  All the little callbacks made me giggle, and were all the better for not being clumsy in their implementation.  The "this is your disk" speech was one of my favorites.  My only complaint is that I would have liked a more in depth exploration of the Grid and the nuances of Grid society, though even then that's a compliment, because what little they did show was intriguing enough for me to want more.

I liked Tron 2.0's visualization of the world better, as things had a clear function to them.  The programs weren't just randomly milling around, they were, y'know, doing their jobs.  But that's a minor nitpick.

 :awesome_for_real:

Interesting fact, they just had the Production Directior on NPR.. most of the sets were physical, not green screen.  The CGI was used to extend the sets beyond the 12'-16' tall they'd been built, but the Actors are all interacting with a physical environment.  Also, the lights on the suits were not CGI but actual lights on the actors.  Nifty.

As for a discussion on the 3d, it didn't thrill me.  Mostly I felt it got in the way.  The floaty screen glass was just a nuisance and the extent of most of the film.  I really felt like I was watching a 2d film for a lot of the movie and only noticed the 3d when I thought to look for it.  It was the complete opposite of Avatar or the animal orphan movie you mention (hey same IMAX previews!).

The wife and I had a chat about it on the way home and the reason the 3d didn't work for me as a whole was the director was still using  a lot of 2d camera tricks to direct the viewer.  It's offputting when you see some depth to the shot, but either due to camera limitations or drama the director has decreased changed the focus from where the eye wants to go.   If you want to focus on something other than what the director has determined should be the focus, it throws you right out of the movie as your brain tries to figure out wtf is going on.

Three examples I can think of specifically. The first two were from the Pirates trailer - so yeah, 3d being applied to a 2d movie, some leeway must be given - when Cruz thrusts her sword through the door or when Blackbeard swings his sword up and at the camera, my eye wanted to focus on the tip.  However, because the director wanted you to focus on Depp and McShane's faces the tips were blurred.. so wanting to focus on the swords made me feel a bit crosseyed.  The Tron scene I remember was in Flynn's house on the Grid.  Sam is the focus of the shot, with Olivia in the background, but because his head is so large in the shot I wanted to focus on her, instead of his 3-story melon.  However, she was blurred out because he was talking.. so again, mental confusion and that crosseyed feeling as I tried to focus before I realized what was going on.     It seems until Directors stop using their old 2d tricks, 3d is going to still feel really gimicky and unpolished, imo.

Ed: Oh, and I felt the 80's songs picked for the transition were perfect.  Not only were they nostalgic and perfect for the setting but the lyrics and themes were great for the moment they were used.  That geeked me quite a bit because it showed a lot of attention to detail.  I would typically expect just some chart topper from '89 to be used for the whole scene, but the timing and transition were excellent.

Holy crap that was so much awesome. I was happy they spent so much time with that, allowing Sam to take us back to the 80's before we hit the Grid. It was like, "Hey audience who watched Tron when it first came out, you remember when it all began? Maybe not? Well.......now you will." /Pacman/Galaga/Journey.

Eh it was everything I expected, and I had a lot of fun. There are just some major problems. Nothing is explained, nothing is developed, lots of telling rather than showing. Also, the world is dead... there's no sense that anything has purpose. Even the original film gave some sense of how things were operating, with its I/O ports and the domination of Master Control over an office mainframe in the 1980's. The world of the Tron was small in more ways than one. Flynn went inside and saved that tiny world from a dominating villain, and by conquering domination within the corporation's computer system he's able to conquer it within the corporation as a whole. Yay.

Now I get the feeling that the fiction doesn't know what the digital world actually is. Is it a parallel universe? Is it a whole computer universe in some way? Does it have access to the internet? Are these programs just programs from inside ENCOM or are they programs from everywhere? Is CLU dominating ENCOM or is he dominating all computing everywhere? What does that mean in real world terms? What are Isos, and where did they come from? Why were they a threat? What has Flynn been doing in there for however many centuries? What has CLU been doing? What did CLU intend to do?

I wouldn't be bothered by loose ends if this film weren't so short on tied threads. It wastes a lot of time on very pretty, but ultimately underwhelming action when it could be giving us some answers.

I'll second the raves the music is getting, simultaneously modern electronic and reminiscent of Vangelis scores from the 80's. I also want to say the visuals were generally too sparse. Other than Flynn's sanctuary everything looked more or less the same. The bar looked like the bridge of the ship looked like the locker room looked like the game grid looked like the city streets. That was not a part of the original aesthetic that needed copying.

At first it didn't even have programs. It was Flynn's little experiment in his basement. Literally.


There's a scene in the first film that shows programs competing in the light cycle grid, while a guy in an arcade is playing the game. It's an indicator that there is one sub-universe, and computers are our only way of percieving it.

Which might be retconned by Legacy, or maybe Kevin intentionally secluded his system.

Ah! What if Isos can provide a way for us to interact with the grid without computers? That would be neat.

Flynn intentionally secluded his system.

Now, issues of entropy and power usage aside, there's your easiest answer.

It would have been trivially easy to make this stuff clear, and the movie chose to say nothing. Drove me nuts.

I took all this from paying attention to the movie and thinking about it. Are we still spoilering stuff?

They didn't specify this kind of shit in the original movie either.  :oh_i_see:

Again this highlights the core problem of why it's getting such mixed reviews.  It's a Disney movie and while its audience has matured the story has not.   Nobody asked those questions because it didn't matter any more than why CLU seemed to think that their digital staves and frisbees of doom would be effective weaponry against bullets in the physical world.   Or, for that matter, what happens to Quorra when she gets injured in the physical world.  Does she bleed, does she digitize? Do she and Sam have sex? How, because a digital vagina makes no sense at all.

In the end, it makes as much sense as any of your usual pop-fantasy properties that run into continuity issues.  Just say a wizard did it.

(http://www.filmofilia.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/tron2_12-535x300.jpg)

A badass wizard daddy.

I chalk some of that up to:


And C) I put on my robe and wizard hat...

As to the potential threat CLU posed to the real world, would programs have 'powers' that users don't in the real, just as users had on the Grid?

Something that interested me or I thought novel:


We still spoilering stuff?

Yes, of course we are. It hasn't even been a week yet.

I imagine that's a question that Flynn didn't want answered by Clu's invasion.

I saw some slips, wasn't sure. Hid my stuff.

I really like this movie. o_o;

DO NOT TAUNT THE MCGUFFIN.

:awesome_for_real:

Not to put too fine a point on it but literally every question you've asked here is answered in the film, most of them directly.

[spoiler]Yeah at this point I think we're taunting the MacGuffin, and this MacGuffin taunts back.  :ye_gods: [/quote]

lol I screwed up spoiler tags on something that didn't need spoilering anyway lol

http://www.express.co.uk/entertainment/view/217768/Tron-Legacy-review-and-trailer

Its reviews like this, en masse, that make for the low review scores. I was wondering why the scores were so low. Then I realized that a bunch of idiots who aren't even trying to understand the movie are reviewing it.

The Salon review is just as brutal, though a LOT longer. You can tell the author likes to hear himself pontificate a lot more than he likes to think.

http://www.comedycentral.com/videos/index.jhtml?videoId=147425&title=single-female-lawyer

Sorry, my understanding of non-human biology is a bit limited. I forgot fruit is technically alive as a plant. I assume all living things have DNA?

Too tired for a proper answer, will see what the morning brings.

Yes.

http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2010/12/22/

FAR BETTER QUESTIONS!

I'm kinda tired of nerding out after reading that. Haha.

TOO MUCH PONTIFICATION

On of the things daddy Flynn mentioned in his babbles was quantum teleportation, which could pull off a matter to information transfer.  The minor caveat being that anyone teleported in that manner would be instantly killed.  Quantum teleportation requires the destruction of the matter being affected, as the only way to "read" a particle's quantum state is to crack that sucker open.  So, sure, a version of you would appear on the digital grid to have exciting adventures, but the original you would be all kinds of dead.

That's a good plot device. Someone gets transported to the grid and their matter is lost. They can't get out, and trying to mess with the tech would risk losing permanent access to the real world.

Maybe next you guys can debate Weird Science and the logistics of making a person with magical powers with your computer.

Just saw it.

Liked it.

You can't go wrong with a movie scored by Daft Punk, co-starring Daft Punk imho.

Or we could bitch about MMOGs in great detail.  :awesome_for_real:

Next?

I'd just like to say thanks to Lorekeep for managing to get down in text so many of the things that have been flying through my head since I left the cinema last friday. It's a superb movie with some really outstanding techno philosophy in the undertow and a plot that just seems to be way too subtle for the majority of idiot reviewers out there that focussed only on the sheen and never even tried to engage their brains.

Massawyrm from AICN (http://www.aintitcool.com/node/47791) is one of the very few out there who actually gets it, man. It's a Disney movie. Entertainment for everyone. First and foremost. That doesn't mean it doesn't have anything to say, though.

Saw it last night. Thought it was "meh". The Penny Arcade comic summed a lot of it up.
The food thing broke immersion for me, why would you even need food in a digital world?

You think that's air they're breathing?

Like making programs into humans, the world was likely designed to make it acceptable to a human brain's needs. Their brain *thinks* it needs oxygen and food (part of its programming!), so they create a representation of it to satisfy the brain.

Imagine if they were able to break the *core* programming of their brain and went back into the real world. Spending the rest of your life having to physically make yourself breathe and never knowing when you're hungry until you collapse because you have no energy.


Thanks Mattemeo. ^^

So, some summation points and new discoveries:


 :facepalm: I fix't spoilers.

Spoliers?

Uhm while a great attempt at trying to cram Matrix mythology into this movie, no just no. The very FIRST thing I would want to do while living in a digital world would be to stop eating, drinking and having to get rid of waste materials. This is like claiming that if I were playing WoW in an immersive virtual reality I would want to make my paladin go poop/pee after beating Onyxia.

And having read some of your last posts in this thread, you are REALLY over thinking this movie. So uhm Im not going to get into a nerd fight with you about it. I was just stating my personal opinion, which is I thought the scene (and many other things as pointed out by the Penny Arcade comic linked) broke immersion and made for a "meh" movie.

You can WANT it, and you can TRY to stop eating, drinking, and removing waste materials. In return, your body would respond by wrecking your shit, and your brain would keep screaming at you about what you need to function. Eating / Drinking / Breathing in the digital space was a visual translation of the act of their digital selves taking in the energy they need to function (through the perspective of how a human brain most readily accepts this process to occur).

Your WoW analogy misses the point by a mile.

I'd also think that they didn't need to go to the restroom in there because their bodies perfectly utilized all the energy it was taking in. Only thing the system has to expel is heat.
Like it or not, in order to do what you do, you need energy being taken in as you expend energy to exist. In life, it's food, water, air, and you create waste. In the digital space, you're just taking in energy, but how it's done remains consistent with the rendering of the rest of the world because *that's how the human brain processed the digital reality.*


You must not be into literature. I bet you thought Gulliver's Travels was some story about a dude that kept going to all these strange places which made for a "meh" story.

I think your personal opinion shows you aren't really thinking about it (like most reviewers) and rather than subject your opinion to scrutiny and debate, which would risk your Ego's integrity, you're just going to go with your gut reaction and say "It stinks!" You can't be wrong with that mindset!

I am enjoying myself thinking about what the things they displayed mean and its fascinating levels of internal consistency (minus Magical Plot Device Laser), and how it highlights elements of philosophy, psychology, and physiology.


I agree with what he has to say. Some questions I could provide theories for easily, some not. I wouldn't mind seeing the answers, but for the insignificant things I can't explain and what may have been put in there to look good or advance the plot rather than being internally consistent, I am willing to look past those to address the bigger, deeper issues in play. Yeah, it's a *movie,* for fuck's sake.

Did none of you people watch the first movie?  The programs were drinking liquid energy to stay charged.  To claim that the energy water metaphor extends to energy food isn't really a stretch.  It's just that: metaphor.  Nobody's eating actual food; they don't have hamburgers in transistors.

Metaphor, that was the word I was looking for. Thanks.

Funny, when I first learned about transistors I was taught that they were like hamburgers.

Saw it today. Both myself and wife (who has never seen the first one) liked it a lot. It's actually a very subtle and emotionally driven movie under all the sparkle.  Jedi Dude was seriously kick ass.

I enjoyed it.  Thought they did a fantastic job of translating the visuals of the original and it was a fun ride.

Your brain does not, in fact, have an autonomic response to low oxygen.

Except shutting down in totality, but that doesn't count.

Dont argue, obviously you just dont understand how deep this movie is.

I have no idea why this is getting the critical hate that it's gotten: I really enjoyed it, way beyond popcorn-movie tolerate it for a few fleeting moments of spectacle enjoyed.

I really dug this film, and echo the sentiment that the critics seem to be getting it wrong.  Even my fiancee loved it, and she rarely enjoys movies like this.  The sound design and score were spectacular.  The only thing that really disappointed me was how Sam entered the grid; for a transition it seemed a little rough.

I'd be interested in hearing your idea on what a good transition for Sam would be in the digital space.

This movie was damn good. It did have alot of depth under the surface but a surprising amount of people only saw the surface stuff....

Why would you spoiler that?  :?

Because it wouldn't have meant anything to those who weren't reading the spoilers anyway, just like Ghambit's comment above.

Eh. I'm just looking forward to when we can stop Spoilering. ><

Are spoiler tags really that much of an inconvenience?

I'm actually amusing myself with the thought of all four people who researched it, and said to themselves "OH SHIT, REALLY?"

I just wanted to pop in and thank you guys for spoilering.  :heart:

Fix'd.  :why_so_serious:

I saw this on Sunday at an IMAX at the critics can go fuck themselves. I thought it was very well done.  My only gripe is the CGI face of CLU, but it was hardly immersion breaking.  The aerial battle with the light trails was fantastic. The music was great.  I liked Sam Flynn.  They made no effort to explain why Tron all of a sudden decided to fight CLU but it was telegraphed to hell and back so I didn't really care.

Am I crazy or did Father Flynn throw a little Lebowski in there every now and then?

I wonder if I missed stuff that I missed with Star Wars and Star Trek that Red Letter Media highlighted.

Nah, he was very much the hacker hippie type in the first Tron too.

Just got home from seeing it in 3D.  Really liked it, some really spectacular scenes and a more thoughtful movie than I expected.
I really hope the director's cut expands on life in the Grid. 

Ooooh. I think I thought that at first and then started confusing myself by thinking too hard on it. Thanks  :-)

Saw this last week in 3D. This was the first time I've seen a 3D movie with these types of glasses and I wasn't impressed. The 3D effects were good but the 3D was better on the trailers than in the actual movie. The movie itself was way too dark, almost like the glasses were foggy. I had to continuallly try to wipe them clean. I enjoyed the story but you definitely have to try hard not to think too much on it. It was fun, as good as the first, but I look forward to seeing the 2D version in HD.

Memories can trick you. I'd need to see the scene again to know for sure.

Yes, and I've seen this particular scene interpreted both ways so who knows, I may be an unreliable witness.

It didn't stand out to me the way certain other things did which I've mentioned in this thread. But showing a scene from the film to support a statement does a lot, for me, to dispel a notion I have. Especially with conflicting reports.

I doubt if we'll be able to find that scene until it comes out on blu ray or something. It's not a big deal it's just how I remember it and it made alot of sense to me as foreshadowing.

In the game, you witness the same incident from another angle.

Try IMAX 3D next time.  The digital 3D cinemas just are not up to the same level of resolution/technology as the IMAX cinemas.

This is true. The theatre I work at has 4 Sony Digital 3D screens and one IMAX Digital 3D screen.    Both projector type show what i believe is considered a 2K image (~2 thousand Horizontal lines), however, the Sonys only use one physical projector with an ~3000 watt bulb in it and a splitter head for the 3D effect, where as the IMAX setup actually uses 2 complete projector units each with an ~5k watt bulb in them (effectively giving you the illusion of a 4k digital image instead).   The Picture quality on the IMAX screens is just much brighter and more vivid.

From what I'm reading about art vs. entertainment, film critics may be looking at the piece as art and taking it too seriously, while everyone else is looking at it as entertainment and enjoying it for what it is?

I think I'm starting to see some of the greater flaws in Tron: Legacy based on the standards being used by critics and others (Plinkett)...

http://jazzkiosk.blogspot.com/2010/12/heres-whats-wrong-with-your-tron-legacy.html

I don't agree completely with his assessment of Kevin Flynn, but he raises some honest points.

*snerk* Sure buddy.

This coming from the guy who said....

It is just a movie, one that has proven to be not very popular or critically acclaimed. You seem to be the one reading all these deeper meanings into and mentally masturbating over the whole thing.
I agree with every critique I read from the link you posted from jazzkiosk, ie the plot/story sucks.

71% audience likes it on RottenTomatoes. 7.5 user score on Metacritic.

From what I've seen, it seems a fair bunch of people liked it, and some just had sand in their vaginas.  :grin:

Maybe you didn't realize this, or you don't care, but you've been coming off like an elitist prick who is too important to explain himself. What was especially insulting was your follow-up to me after I answered your question about the food. I was enjoying thinking about the metaphors of the world and some of the imagery used *which is completely separate from the plot and unrealistic characters*.

With new input from other sources, my opinions have changed as I focused on more than just the visual metaphor and ham-fisted imagery. I agree that there were things that appeared that required knowledge not explained in the film and required critical analysis, which would be immersion breaking and take you out of the film.

No, I don't think my comparison to Gulliver's Travels is apt anymore, and I apolgize, but I didn't understand exactly what you meant by your very detailed and elaborate review of the problems you had with the film. I'll summarize it for you: "meh"

Just got back from this.

Totally agree with Haemish about the 3D - would much rather have seen it in 2D.

Enjoyed it overall but it's definitely flawed.  Story was by the numbers - very predictable and definitely a bit weak but not terrible. Probably my main issue is that Sam Flynn was too sterile and bland. He had no significant flaws, displayed little to no emotion and for most, if not all, of the third act was a very passive protagonist.

But... loved the visuals, loved the soundtrack and sound design, thought CLU was really well done, liked Jeff Bridges, thought Michael Sheen was superbly over the top. Also Olivia Wilde, Beau Garrett. Action was pretty good and quite frankly, I enjoyed it as much as the original, if not more. I didn't enjoy it enough to go full Lorekeep and analyze it to death though.  :grin:

As for the direction, to be quite honest, for someone making his directorial debut on a film with a $300m budget, I think Joseph Kosinski did really well. It's a fucking huge responsibility and I have no doubt that the Disney suits were looking over his shoulder watching every move.

EDIT: Sat in a theatre with a load of obvious geeks and I was the only person who even sniggered at the Wargames reference. So disappointed!

Sand and Lorekeep.

Shut up, please.

They did, five days ago.

They're not some Comic Book Serial Villian...

I see what you did there.  Your internet is in the mail.

Just to be safe.

I have yet to see, or even sniff, the movie.  However, the soundtrack is kick ass. 

And yet inexplicably snubbed in the Oscar Nominations.

*boggle*

Dear god, I thought that was Simon Pegg. Wow, did I get that wrong.

So did I.

I've enjoyed the movie enough to have seen it 3 times in IMAX. It also helps that I get to hear the soundtrack on that glorious sound system.

I have made this mistake too; they do bear more than just a passing resemblance to each other.

Michael Sheen was Zuse?

I was wondering where they found a spare Ziggy Stardust.   :awesome_for_real:

The Oscar snub to the soundtrack and the visuals is pretty baffling. Especially the soundtrack.

The Oscars are not about quality or anything else. They're about politics. Even if the show wasn't hours and hours of boredom I wouldn't watch it because they generally award the wrong actors/movies/directors/etc with awards.

Because it was electronica/pop music? Nothing original ala Star Wars theme and nothing hit making ala Titanic theme?
ie nothing new or special to see?

I knew a music professor who once told me that her orchestral colleagues thought John Williams was just a derivative bottom feeder creating pop. Just sayin'.


edit: redundant ninja strikes twice

Everyone hates success.  :grin:

Considering the Oscars are all about being seen, rubbing elbows with 'your betters' and politics, the snub to Daft Punk shouldn't be shocking.  Guys who go around in Robot suits keeping as low a profile as is possible with such a gimmick aren't who the Academy wants to associate with.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/culturemonster/2011/01/banksy-scores-oscar-nomination-for-exit-through-the-gift-shop.html

Of course, the grain of salt is that this is a short documentary film category - however, I doubt anyone in Hollywood would wish to rub elbows with Banksy. As for Daft Punk... this is one hell of a score by a duo with no previous experience in movies or scores for that matter... tracks are one thing, but writing a score brings in a lot more than a single track. Them getting slighted, while not all that surprising, is very disappointing.

Trying hard to decide if this is meant to be green text or not.

How many of the short documentary guys get to go to after parties vs. those for a "big" award like Best Score?  Plus, in conjunction with what Khaldun's addressing, electronica isn't exactly well-received by most of the US.  Hell, it's mostly just lumped in with "Dance" music even though it's quite different.

Um, there was like, nothing special about the sound track. Sorry. *shrug*

Mind backing that up with more than just a personal opinion? I recognize that the sound track is great but I also understand that my world view is isolated / biased and doesn't take into consideration the standards of the judges or the plethora of work out there.

Yeah, I would have liked to have seen a nod to Daft Punk given their history and what they managed to accomplish with Tron: Legacy, but Oscars are about as mainstream as you can get so I am disappointed but won't get worked up by it since ultimately it doesn't matter.

Sure, right after those that thought it was game changing explain how that scores on the "standards of the judges or the plethora of work out there".

 :oh_i_see:

It was fine for the move and setting, but there isn't a single track on it thats as iconic as the ones that get awards. Having more than one beat my also help, but I'm slipping into opinion again.

Loved the soundtrack but BW is right, nothing about it screamed oscar nominee. Maybe it deserved a nomination but it was far from a snub. The soundtrack itself while fitting, pleasing and a great accomplishment for daft punk, was in no way a masterpiece of audio glory.

It was enjoyable, it worked and I'm willing to bet that it didn't go unnoticed either. I have to imagine that some are just waiting to see if daft punk will do this again and possibly get nominated for their second soundtrack regardless of its success based on this one.

Yeah, listen to the soundtrack from King's Row by Korngold then tell me Star Wars was original.

Not going to harp too much since it's a moot point, but there are very few musical pieces that are iconic that come from a score - given all the scores nominated in the last 10 years. The score set the tone of the movie's scenes and fit specifically to said movie as a collection. Tron has a feel and it was, IMHO, captured in the score - Daft Punk's contribution fit the criteria of the Oscar's ruleset. It went up against some better movies, which I think cost them a nod. Not saying they were OMGWINIT great, but I think they were better than just getting a glance. If Tron: Legacy was an original movie and not so niche, things might have turned out different.

Look, Hans Zimmer's score for Inception was nominated. I actually like Zimmer's scores but:

a) like most of the other repeat offenders in this category, he both brutallly recycles his own work *and* liberally borrows riffs from classical and other compositions. Listen to John Williams' famous Jaws theme sometime and then listen to the 4th movement of Dvorak's 9th. This is not a problem per se: remixing is a good thing and creates new works of value. But let's not be stupid here and imagine that John Williams et al are highly original composers who are repeatedly given awards for their originality.

b) Zimmer's score for Inception was so ill-suited to the film that many people who otherwise liked the film noted how jarring the music was in relationship to the film's theme and mood.


So here we have a complaint that the score for Tron Legacy doesn't belong in the same company because:

a) it's unoriginal. Again, in comparison to what? It's certainly different than the faux-Wagnerian or faux-classical norm for most film scores. Difference is a pretty good proxy for "original" in that sense.
b) it complements its film perfectly, in many cases strongly enhancing the mood and visual design (ok, except for the whole bullshit scene in the nightclub, which we all agree is a strange bloop in the mood of the film). Unlike, say, Inception's score.

I disagree with what you said.

The most iconic part of the Inception soundtrack was the blaring horn music from the trailer, but that wasn't written by Zimmer. :/

It wasnt.

This ---->

I disagree with your disagreement.

Meh.  The Oscars died for me the year Depp lost Best Actor for playing Jack Sparrow to Sean Penn playing Sean Penn.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2yD4yDsiP4

I'm sorry, but other than people who bought the soundtrack, I bet no one can hum any track in this movie and have the majority of the people in the room know what movie it was.

Scores you can do that with, are iconic.

I'm not saying it sucked, but really, unless you are REALLY into Daft punk style electronica (Or what ever sub-flavor this is), the sound track was forgettable, despite what it added to the movie.

Also, perhaps its my personal flaws, but a good number of times I was reminded of the title track to the never ending story (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3khTntOxX-k) while watching the movie. Perhaps it was the heavy 80's influence in some of the tracks.

I still think the first TRON movie was superior in many ways. But I did really like this one.

A soundtrack doesn't have to have a "hook" theme to be great.  I think the Oscars are really missing it if this doesn't at least get nominated.  If it doesn't win, so be it, but this is a spectacular accomplishment. 

Kinda does, yeah.

Star Wars Main Theme-Star Wars trilogy
I'm A Man Of Constant Sorrows- O Brother Where Art Thou
Ghostbusters-Ghostbusters
Over The Rainbow-Wizard of Oz
Indiana Jones Theme-Indiana Jones Trilogy
Theme from Shaft-Shaft
Don't You(Forget About Me)-The Breakfast Club
Main Theme from LOTR-Lord of the Rings trilogy
Eye of the Tiger-Rocky III
Live and Let Die-Live and Let Die
Power of Love-Back To The Future
Goldfinger-Goldfinger
Sprach Zarathustra-2001:Space Odyssey
Ride of the Valkyries-Apocalypse Now
The Music Man "Seventy-Six Trombones"

ETC...

You remembered Goldfinger but didn't remember The Bond theme!! You forgot BOND!

Seventy six trombones and no Bond theme.

 Bastard.

(whispers: you forgot the bond theme!)

and the bond theme.  :awesome_for_real:

I see your point, however - in the past five years, what musical entry from a score from nominees or winner can you recall? And keep in mind a score is an entire body of music, not just one track off it - though it may help highlight the place of the track.

I think you are being unfair that this score has to live up to the legends that are remembered throughout time when there are far more past nominees and winners that are pretty forgettable.

Movie scores for reference (winner in CAPS):
2010 - UP, avatar, fantastic mr fox, hurt locker, sherlock holmes
2009 - SLUMDOG MILLIONAIRE, benjamin button, defiance, milk, wall-e
2008 - ATONEMENT, 3:10 to yuma, kite runner, micheal clayton, ratatouille
2007 - BABEL, good german, notes on a scandal, pan's labyrinth, the queen
2006 - BROKEBACK MOUNTAIN, constant gardener, memoirs of a geisha, munich, pride & prejudice

I am pretty good with movies and I can't recall the score or even a track on any of those as it relates to the movie, and I have seen several of those movies multiple times.

Ok, I've said what I wanted... carry on with your bickering.

And in almost every case, none of those was immediately memorable as being from those particular movies. It wasn't until the movies themselves became iconic that anyone gave a shit about the scores. The exceptions to that are Power of Love, Don't you forget about me, Also Sprach Zarathustra and Ride of the Valkyries. The first two because of the power of pop music and top-40 airplay when the movies were made and the last two because they already had a sort of built-in classical audience that knew the tunes before they were attached to the films.

Okay, you really used Ghostbusters soundtrack as evidence of good music? 

No, as iconic parts of a sound track that instantly recalls the movie in question in most places and in most groups.


I don't believe you.

Any way it was a short quick list to make a point.

Only two of those were even nominated for an oscar though (Star Wars and The Music Man), 2001 and Apocalypse now aren't using original music (although I agree that both pieces are now strongly linked with the films they represented). Also there is a slight difference between an entire soundtrack and a theme song. Most of the other tracks on these films soundtracks are as instantly forgettable as the soundtracks you are criticising. A great soundtrack is one that fits the theme of the film, and maintains a consistency throughout, while showing variety that matches the changes in the plot. It is not all about bashing out a single iconic theme song.

I'm glad The Social Network and Inception got nods, Tron should have been in there as the soundtrack was both entirely appropriate to the film and well constructed.

That said, arguably the most lasting soundtrack of the past decade was the soundtrack to Gladiator. Several album tracks are still in the classical top 100 here in the UK and the whole piece is frankly masterful. The fact that it lost out to Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon was frankly typical for the Oscars, since as stated, politics tend to trump quality.

Ah, so that makes it all ok then.  :oh_i_see:

Makes what all ok?

Again, simply because the music is iconic doesn't automatically make it great, and because you can't recall a theme to hum in your head while you ride in the elevator doesn't make a particular soundtrack any less so.  Some of the main themes you listed are shitty.   

This exactly.

(http://i.imgur.com/4cazX.jpg)

The fact that you're talking out of your ass and accepting it as the unvarnished truth of the universe.

Close, but not quite. Those two and LOTR all won Best Original Score  - LOTR twice for FOTR and ROTK. "Raiders of the Lost Ark" (Indiana Jones theme, obv) got a nomination.

"Over the Rainbow" and "Theme From Shaft" won Best Original Song, "Ghostbusters", "Live and Let Die", "Eye of the Tiger" and "Power of Love" all got nominations. "Goldfinger" and "Don't You (Forget About Me)" were eligble but didn't get nominated.

"Man of Constant Sorrow", "Also Sprach Zarathustra" and "Ride of the Valkyries", as you said, were ineligible.

Also, "Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon" was a sublime soundtrack. On the whole, I preferred it to the militaristic bombast of Zimmer's Gladiator soundtrack. I wasn't sorry it won.

You guys are funny.

"OMG this awards show is shit and meaningless, but fuck them for not giving it to daft punk, those bastards!!!"

Tron soundtrack was pedestrian as far as pop culture goes, and yes, the spice girls trounce it.

An no, I don't believe not one of those songs instantly connects the movie for you.

Re-read what I wrote. None of those songs was instantly connectable until the movies themselves became iconic. Either you missed that point or you be trollin'

I'm not defending Daft Punk or their score, I actually kind of agree with you on the fact that it's not going to be memorable. The reason it's not going to be memorable is because the movie will probably not stand the test of time the way every one of those movies you named did.

Fair enough, this is what you get for being hasty with wiki-fu. I will maintain my point that there is a significant and important difference between a great soundtrack and a great (theme) song. BW is arguing that tron was an awful soundtrack because it didn't have a memorable theme, yet most of the tracks which won best original song came from soundtracks that were utterly dire.

I also disagree with you about CTHD vs Gladiator, but that's really just a matter of taste.

I believe thats part of the criteria of the awards.


I did not say awful. The entire score was kind of "there".

Yeah, but then you said it was trounced by the Spice World soundtrack  :why_so_serious:

Wasn't it?  :why_so_serious:

Taste? What's taste got to do with it? You can't bring "matter of taste" into this debate - this is F13!  :why_so_serious:

Who needs taste when you have awards shows.

How can you have ignored queen's highlander and Flash Gordon soundtracks?

 :lol:

Oh man, thanks for quoting that.  I'd entirely missed it in the midst of that last page or two of hurf blurf. 

Thread redeemed.

It was.  :grin:

I contribute when I can...

If for some reason Tron: Legacy becomes iconic as a film, I believe that some of the tracks will be instantly recognizable as that process takes hold. So I agree with Surlyboi. The Star Wars theme becomes memorable when you've seen the film 15 times in the summer of 1977, because how could it not be memorable? The really rare thing is that film which you have seen repeatedly has a score so forgettable that it doesn't stick with you.

There are other logics by which you might award something--some idea of intrinsic originality and craftsmanship, for example. But by that measure, most film scores wouldn't really qualify, or we'd only be awarding more obscure films. If the criteria is "powerful accompaniment to and match with a film, a score which is memorable as the film become memorable", the Tron score is at least equal to the films nominated for this year. And equal, I think, to recent nominations--that list of the last six years is a pretty serious kick in the crotch to the Bloodworth "It has to be instantly iconic!" theory of nominations.

I only saw Star Wars once in 1976 and the theme and the bar music were instantly memorable to me.

I would put the Indiana Jones music in the same category.  Probably "over the rainbow" as well, but not in a good way.  "Live and Let Die" is more of a case of a great tune making a under-performing bond flick memorable (and I love Bond). 

I'd say Goldfinger probably proves the point that you are trying to make.  It is a crappy song, but it's instantly memorable anyway and you (me) end up liking it because the film is so good... wait, that's not your point.

Ok, I'm lost, I just wanted to say you were wrong about the Star Wars theme (and Indian Jones).

Die Another Day was the worst Bond theme ever.

I know, this has nothng to do with nothing, but hey, it's me.

This is largely a chicken/egg argument.  Was the music iconic because of the film or did it contribute to the overall iconic nature.  Regardless, shit music is shit music, regardless of how recognizable it is. 

Ride of the Valkyries was iconic well before Apocalypse now, although it was appropriately paired with that film.

With respect to scores, I'm not sure.

Neckbeards like me sometimes talk about paratext, basically meaning that we all end up knowing a lot about commercially-produced culture we haven't seen or read because we get all sorts of incidental, ubiquitious exposure to it through other media. If you were a kid or a teen in 1977 when Star Wars came out and you somehow managed to never see it, you would nevertheless have to live in a cave not to "know" it through paratext. You'd still almost certainly know when you saw his picture who Darth Vader was and what his name was: think of the thousands of editorial cartoons he's been in, the Halloween costumes you'd have seen at your door, the posters, the ads on TV, the critics reviewing the film, the times that someone was compared to Darth Vader in the newspaper, and so on. You wouldn't know about his real name or the scene where he chokes a guy or that he looked like Humpty Dumpty when his helmet came off, but you'd know the picture and the name and something of what he "meant" without ever seeing the film.

The music is like that as well: it's been fucking everywhere. The Indiana Jones theme is another one: it's been used in trailers for other films on occasion (so has Zimmer's Pirates of the Caribbean score), it's often used as a musical flourish for little satiric or amusing bits on local evening news, it pops up in all sorts of small paratextual places. Now I'm not saying that's got nothing to do with the music itself: Williams genuinely writes memorable riffs and bits, no matter what classical pieces he's ransacked to find them. He's a great remixer in an age of cultural remixing, and by such means, achieves lasting originality. But the thing is, some of the things we all remember, including music, we remember in a way whether we've seen the film or not, because they're repeated constantly across a broad cultural space. You couldn't not know them, really. That's what "iconic" is: it's not instant greatness. You can see a film that totally blows you away with its greatness and find ten years later that it's not at all iconic, because even if everyone thought it was great, they don't constantly repeat or reprise anything about it in the rest of the culture.

We already know it won't.  The movie left theaters and people's minds the same day.  I am talking about real people, not us.  We do not define iconic.  This argument is message board masturbation.  I expect there would be very little disagreement about what movies in the last 20 years are iconic if you polled random people in the street who are old enough to know the movies.

The nearest thing to guidelines for an original score are: "The work’s eligibility shall be evaluated on its effectiveness, craftsmanship, creative substance and relevance to the dramatic whole."

This year, there were 77 scores that were eligible for in the Best Original Score soundtrack. That doesn't include Black Swan, True Grit, The Fighter, The Kids Are Alright, Toy Story 3 or Tangled (first 4 were disqualified, latter 2 weren't entered). Of those 77, only 5 maximum can get nominated. Tron's soundtrack may have been the 6th and lost out on a nomination by half a point (votings based on an average point system). The difference is between whether the voters were like Bloodworth or like Khaldun.

To be fair to the nominations, I haven't heard any of them.  They may be truly better than Tron Legacy's soundtrack, but I was quite impressed with the music that Daft Punk put together.  You're right though, if the folks that picked think it didn't deserve the nomination, then it didn't deserve it. 

Well, there aren't very strong themes to the music. It's like the music from Dark Knight. They composed it specifically so it didn't have a melody. There's four notes that play when Batman is on the BatBike, but that's it. Four notes.

Tron Legacy, there's the tune that plays during the light cycle match, when the lightcycles group up and turn around in formation. And...that's it. Even the club fight, which you'd think would have a strong theme, is just a backbeat. There's literally no melody. They go nn-tse nn-tse nn-tse for a few minutes.

The opening music in the Dark Knight right before the bank heist is pretty iconic if you liked the Dark Knight. Good points though.

This is quite true. To go back to Star Wars, you could walk out of a theater humming that music because it has a strong melody. With Tron Legacy you might sort of be slapping your thigh to the beat as you walked out but it doesn't have the same oomph that other orchestral scores have. I liked it but can totally see why it got skipped by the Academy. Though, really, the Academy Awards are bullshit anyway so why does anyone care?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0FwEmUycYI

If you don't think this is strongly thematic, your fucking ears are wrong. I'm sorry. The main theme is a recurring leitmotif throughout the movie. Deftly picking heavy techno action scenes to make your point is misleading and disingenuous.

What "main theme"? That sounds like a bunch of random notes. There are much stronger themes in the heavy action scenes I cited than there are in that dudududududududududududududududu you linked to.

NOTE THAT I AM NOT SAYING IT IS BAD AND IN FACT IF I COULD MAKE MANBABIES WITH DAFT PUNK I WOULD.

Look at what won best score last night. The Social Network. Elevator music for the angsty.

 :uhrr:

Someone needs to make a Tron grid ffffuuuu guy....

 :mob:

I actually think it's pretty cool that Trent Reznor won. He's come a long way from writing the music for Quake :grin:

He's also got tons of connections after years of working the Hollywood scene.

Just to make a comment to the little slapfight:

Soundtrack (the CD everyone is buying) and Score (the background music for the entire film) are not the same thing. Some times the soundtrack album you buy does contain large parts of the score, but most times not.

There are 2 oscar categories: Best Song (single song, usually the iconic Celine Dion Titanic crap) and Best Score (the traditionally classical stuff that plays to enhance and emphasize action on screen).

Everyone seems to be talking about iconic songs while comparing that to an entire score.

That being said, I agree with Ironwood about that piece of shit Madonna Bond theme.

I was shocked to see his Oscar photo. I mean wtf happened to this sell out?!?  :why_so_serious: I still remember his first PHM tour I saw the show in Cleveland and he had punked hair and was in a fucking cage spitting on us. *sigh* Life was so much different then  :heartbreak:

1: He's not gigging. Not gigging = Trent gets chubby
2: He's happily married. Happily married = Trent gets chubby

He was bullnecked and brawny a couple of years ago when I saw NIN's last gig in the UK.

Shamelessly stolen from reddit.

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5220/5484503767_4a4ae71cd0.jpg)

Fucking brilliant.

http://www.traileraddict.com/trailer/tron-3/teaser-trailer

Being described as a "teaser trailer" but it's really a viral featurette like the ones leading up to Legacy. Interesting to see what's become of RAM....

That makes me feel conflicted considering I saw him on the first tour after PHM was released, and then again when Downward came out. Amazed that man is standing there in a tux receiving an Oscar so good on him, but really wonder what his younger self would think of it all.

It doesn't matter.  His older self is saying, "Fuck that guy I know the value of money and prestige."

Yeah, that.

I'd like to see a younger self of anyone who didn't think their older self was a complete douche-bag.

Well - maybe other than a astronaut.

I've yet to meet anyone now who doesn't know their younger self was a complete douche-bag.

Yeah, that.

My younger self and older self have solved that problem by being a continual douchebag and not being bothered about it.

Though my younger self would be shocked at my attitude these days.

Yeah, you do seem to be getting a teensy bit softer in your dotage  :-P

I figure it's the lack of daily interaction with workplace inanity that's caused it.  Workplaces provide much more rage fuel than the internet.

For me it's the opposite.

Just got it on Netflix, I liked what it had to say, but I'm not sure they couldn't have done it a bit faster with a better plot.

After watching it again last night, I totally appreciate the time they took with it. Shit moves too fast in movies these days. Damn kids!

You know, I suddenly had a mental image of you, in your late 90's, in a Cranky Old Man Chair waving a cane about, reminiscing about the good ole days, when Crank was a slow paced movie.

Wow, this thread went everywhere and back...

I finally got to see this today.  I enjoyed it.  Few niggles, bit cliche at points, but overall they did a pretty good job with it.

Must have been a blast in IMAX...

Absolutely was. The 3D was less that gimmicky, in-your-face bullshit and more there to give depth to the world.

Watched, enjoyed.  Too bad I can't remember shit about the first movie, else I'd have enjoyed it even more I think.

My mental image of the original TRON:
Jeff Bridges disintegrates an orange.
Jeff Bridges disintegrates himself.
Jeff and Scarecrow fight some shit.
Woman from Caddyshack.
Scenes from my last play of Tank Universal.

Where did the fucking orange go?

They brought it back like 30 seconds after they disintigrated it.  You catch it happening on a monitor in the background while Bridges is talking to Caddyshack woman and Grandpa from the Lost Boys.

You also forgot Bridges, Scarecrow and Billly the Kid (from Bill & Ted) race ultra cool motorcycles.

Oh right.  Disc fights, too.  Somehow I only remember that fucking arcade game, which again makes me wonder why I played Snake so much on my old Nokia phone back in 1998.

I think the problem is that I was nerd-angry about curved light-bike trails, then I watched the new movie and the old memories have been stomped.

Tron came out in 1982, when I was 13, and I loved it.

If I'd been 13 when I watched Tron: Legacy I might not have thought it was a heap of tedious, unimaginative bullshit with Disney stamped through it like a stick of rock.

Bag'o'shite.

Yep, too old and cranky.  I enjoy movies mostly because I refuse to bring my adult brain to most of them.  I save the thinking for games.

You're like my evil twin.  :why_so_serious:

I just saw this and I really couldn't really get engaged in the movie.  It just felt off, and didn't really explain some things that really matter. 

They tried to make Zuse out to be this largely cunning criminal mastermind and horribly failed at that, why would Kevin Flynn (who knows his identity disk is extremely critical) leave it exposed on his back, instead of just putting his robe over it instead of under it (there are ways he could keep access to it without having it exposed on his back), the fight scene in Zuse' club turned around all of a sudden when Kevin showed up but didn't really explain why, if Kevin is able to change programs to listen to him (like he did in the flight hanger) why didn't he just keep doing that all time he was trapped and start a revolt and get some allies, why did Kevin all of a sudden have superpowers at the end to drag Clu back when in reality all he had to do was use those superpowers to knock him off the fucking ledge and go with them to the real world (if Clu could use the master disc to take his army back, I'm sure Sam could use it to bring all 3 of them back), they gave no reference for Tron to start having doubts and take back control of his body and it ended up seeming completely random and out of the blue, etc..

I mean the visuals were good (except the last scene where Clu was being pulled away from the portal, the CGI there was terrible), and I would have liked to see it on an IMAX, but I found the story lacking in many regards.

How is any of that worse than, say, Star Trek, which got much accoldades from fans and critics despite not making half a lick of sense, plotwise?
I'm not saying those aren't valid observations, but really, it's got very little to do with how good a movie it was.

It is understandably frustrating when critical plot developments rely on illogical, irrational actions. Gotta let it slide and enjoy the big picture.

I came in with expectations so low I couldn't be disappointed but I thought it was decent, saw it last week. It felt labored in telling the story but overall I sort of wished I'd seen it on the big screen.

It was truly a spectacle in IMAX, with the seats rumbling from the bass out of the speakers. As much as I want to pick this up on blu-ray, I'll probly pass so I don't ruin my memory. Far from perfect but I'll generally buy in to products that try to be a little different from the rest of the pack.

The Black Hole poster on the young Kevin Flynn's bedroom wall was pure win.

Dunno, I don't watch Star Trek :P.  I remember enjoying the one Next Generation borg movie many eons ago, but I was also 13 or so at the time.  I can usually shut off my brain for movies (like the Mummy) but for some reason these things were annoying me in Tron, probably because it felt like it was trying to portray itself as something bigger (with a lot of religious connotations) than it really was.

Yeah. I saw it 3 times on IMAX and would never watch it on a TV, it would completely spoil it.

I don't get all the criticism. The plot wasn't that bad at all, had some decent philosophy and twists that kept you gripped, and in no way bored you. I don't see all the holes...

-Flynn didn't protect his disk well enough? cmon
-Flynn changing the fight. Well he wasn't protrayed as being incredibly physically powerful (or he couldn't use it, because as they explained, Clu fed off his power), but did have some power and the awe of a jedi-gandalf character which the programs seemed to have some respect for as the creator. His entry was a turning point just as the friendly programs were gaining the upper hand anyways.
-The mind trick didn't seem simple to do, took focus. He couldn't just walk in an hypnotize a room instantly with his eyes.
-He pulled Clu in by initiating his remerger (which supposedly killed him)
-Tron did begin to show signs after his first encounter with Kevin Flynn

Overall the movie was just great to watch on IMAX. An action movie that was just a fantastic aesthetic experience, between the unique visual theme and environments and the awesome daft punk score, it was a feast for the senses. The plot in no way detracted from the experience. It had decent pacing, characters, twistsm explanations, and the holes are really overblown. People who skipped this on IMAX missed a real treat.

I believe Ratman meant the J.J. Abrams Star Trek, which was fucking awesome and also full of "wtfplot" moments.

I enjoyed it a lot on a visual level and for the sheer spectical.

If we are going to talk about plot holes - a realtively minor one really annoyed me:
 - Flynn is going to the arcade every night to visit the Grid
 - He comes home the same night/next morning
 - So how the hell is the exit from the grid 30 miles away from the entry point, on top of a fucking mountain?

Did he spend his entire time there just traveling to the exit every time he logged in?

That was the LAST IO port, not the only.

Yep. I personally thought it was the worst movie I've seen in the past decade, but it did really well. And I've never had someone who liked it deny that the plot was terribad.

Oh come on.  Wasn't that bad.

Yeah it was. I regret missing it in the theater and buying the DVD. I should have waitied until it was on cable.

The only good thing I can say about that film is that the cast and crew seemed to have fun making it.

Oh god, the hyperbole....

Also, I had fun watching it.  So there's that.  Same with TRON, it had lots of pretty lights.

Eh. I've said my piece in the Star Trek thread.

Wife and I watched this last night.

She fell asleep while I was appalled.

Without substance, charm or point.

An Awful Movie.

I guess the point was a commentary on responsibility or I.P. exploitation, depending on your perspective.

Oh, Excellent, I'll rewatch it then, since an IP argument was JUST what I wanted to see in a TRON sequel...

 :why_so_serious:

It was very, very pretty but the plot was terrible, I thought it started to get interesting about 60 seconds before it ended.  Pity.

I also watched this last night. I can't figure out why this wasn't strangled in the cradle. The plot was insipid and the editing was on par with a 12 year old playing with iMovie. I cannot believe this sack of shit made enough money to warrant a third movie.

Olivia Wilde in skin tight clothes?

Except she wasn't and they weren't and her hairdo was fucking stupid and, frankly, she looked like a tall froggie in the film.

Fuck me, if you wanted eye Candy, the Siren was a much better.

I'd argue that it ever got interesting past the light bikes.

What actually happened beyond the light bikes ?  A boat ride is pretty much it.

 :oh_i_see:

And then Tron2 came and shat on my dog.

Really, it wasn't the greatest movie ever but it's a sequal to tron.....tron.  I eagerly await your scathing criticisms of Krull 2.

Well, I can say straight away that it won't have Lysette Anthony scantily clad and is, therefore, epic fail before it starts.

You know what Tron 2 could have done with ?

Tron.

I know. They should have called it something like Tron Legacy.  :oh_i_see:

...and it would still have been better with some Tron.

Kid's movie, you grumpy Scottish bastard.  :why_so_serious:

No, it fucking wasn't.

Don't talk utter shite.  You think the kids are following the Zen crap that Flynn was spouting ?  You think they remotely understood what the fuck his son was doing with the company and what was fucking stupid about it ?  You think they gave two tugs of a dead dogs cock about some race of 'super AI's' that could heal on the outside world or whatever fucking shite got spouted ?

Kids movie my fucking arsehole.


Also, if that's your argument, you think kids wouldn't want more Tron ?  WHERE THE FUCK WAS TRON ?  WHAT WAS WITH RENAMING HIM AND NEVER SHOWING A FACE AND THEN HAVING AN OFFCAMERA REDEMPTION WHERE HE BASICALLY DOES A SWANDIVE INTO THE SEA ?

It was all cock.

There was an incarnation of the script by Richard Jeffries which featured Tron a lot more. His introduction:
The script was pretty shit all told some elements carried over into the released film. Didn't feature the bland, insipid son-of-Flynn boy wonder though so that's a major plus.

Well never showing his face and having a new name was for the "Tron's still alive?" moment. It wasn't hard to guess who "Renzler" was but that was the point.

As for his offcamera redemption I think you must have fallen asleep as well. His redemption was very much on-screen and made perfect sense in the context of when it happened.

Identity of Rinzler obvious from the minute they showed the Tron Flashback.

Redemption occurred when he heard the magic voices in his head and then crashed his wee plane into Enemy wee plane before getting his rod nicked and falling into the sea.

Give it up.  This isn't just me being me :  It was a seriously bad film and an utterly pointless exercise.

I'd be interested in the perfect sense in context that you saw.

Nobody under 30 even knows who Tron was.

I LIKED IT, AND YOU'RE AN ASSHOLE FOR BEING MEAN ABOUT IT ON THE INTERNET!!!11!!! I'M GONNA GET MY BIG BROTHER TO BEAT YOU UP!

I thought it was about as good as the first movie. So not great, a little silly, doesn't make a whole fuckload of sense if you're over 12 and it was pretty. I wasn't expecting much.

^^.   It's a Disney movie meant to jumpstart another property and sell more toys.  That it was Tron was just because they had this 30 year old franchise sitting around that geeks were demanding be made into movies.  Geeks who would go see it and geeks who had kids who would also go see it.

It was ok for a movie aimed at tweaking the 10-17 year old demographic.  Expecting more was just showing your vulnerable side and asking to be kicked in it.  I fell victim too. However, after the series of disappointments that's been served up over the last decade in the name of attracting the next gen, I'm no longer as pissed as I once was when it happens.

As I understand the story, Tron is one of those slow boilers. It did ok in the theaters, but garnered it's cult following and continues to provide a certain amount of revenue 30 years later. Part of the impetus for ressurecting Tron into a franchise is to "seed" another cult film.

I said this back on page one and was told I simply didnt understand the underlying subtly of its philosophy and awesomeness. I fell like Tron, I have been redeemed!

I wouldn't call finding someone else to grump with after 13 pages 'redemption'.

I also wouldn't take anyone seriously when discussing the "subtlety" of the Tron series of films. Fuck, the first one was about as subtle as a goddamn brickbat to the cranium, and the philosophy was mostly "DAMN THE MONEY MAKING MAN WHO WANTS TO RUN MY COMPUTER GAMES OR SOMETHING."

The first movie made no fucking sense as anything other than a young adult adventure story with computers. It's main draw was the revolutionary for the time visual style which has had a huge impact on science-fiction movies and literature since. The second one made about as much sense, was really unsubtle and silly and was enjoyable if you aren't looking through the lens of 30 years of expectations for Tron Jesus.

It was all worth it to see a fucking light robe. That was awesome!

Cyber-Jedi is best Jedi.

Yeah.  I'll agree with that.  It was the Constantine moment.

Yeah, this. The only reason I can think of for people to hate the sequel is that they thought the first one was some kinda work of art. IT WASN'T. Holy crap, next people are going to complain that Sorcerer's Apprentice didn't take itself seriously enough.

I'm not sure why there's such a fuss about saying a movie with a bad plot has a bad plot.  Anyway, I think the comments on the 1st movie are true to a large extent.  But that ignores the fact that Tron was important because of the arcade and video games it spawned and the influence it had, it was largely irrelevant that I didn't actually see Tron till years later.  It still had a better plot though because someone wanted to tell a story, legacy seems to have been made just because there's a market for it.

Yeah, that.

If you look at, errr, about page 3 of this thread, I think, you'll see my views on the orignal Tron - which was a good fluff throwaway film that aged surprisingly well and Elena enjoyed.  It was Fun.

This one wasn't fun.  It tried too hard with too little and was, well, boring.

Also, No Lacey Underalls.

Boo.

(Thanks Arthur.)

I really enjoyed watching this movie, It was fun, I did however remember to shave the shit out of my neck before i went to go see it...

Hogwash. Tron was about Lisberger making a funky movie about glowing video game guys 1st. Story was a distant 2nd.

I liked it as much as the next neckbeard, but great movie it wasn't. And I think Legacy had a better story, and more importantly, told it better to boot.

Yeah, the story for the original Tron was so paperthin, the ending was pretty much a quick shot on a roof with a 'yay, we did it.'  Not sure what they did, but they did something.  Proved a game belonged to Flynn.  Thereby bringing the dark master down.  Somehow.

Whoo, Deep.

But you didn't really care.  It was fun.

I didn't like or dislike this movie enough to argue about it at any length.  I don't mind complicated plots, not that this was complicated but I do feel anything added to the plot should be of benefit.  On that note Michael Sheen is a really talented actor and yet I didn't like him in this at all.

Edit somebody mentioned Krull a page back, Hawk The Slayer - the best bits. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORXmKxe-iHk)

This was covered in the film (and I think in the orginal but not sure).

Real time runs far slower than Grid time, Flynn was in there for like a month at a time or something, but only one night passes irl.

I thought they did a decent job of running the sequel on 1980s cyber movie logic.

Though it was unclear to me why Flynn's personality had been replaced by that of The Dude.

A thousand years (however long it was) as an exiled god takes it toll? You either go poop castle crazy or zen crazy. (Or maybe both. Zen poop castles.  :grin:)

Shamelessly stolen from tron forums


Essentially enough time to go crazy, or have sex with that program girl a LOT

Well two things, one, they more or less gave Jeff Bridges carte blanche in how he played Flynn. Heck I think he wrote some of the dialogue himself and two, honestly, Flynn was already a hippy in the first movie to my memory. He doesn't seem all that different in the second one.

Yeah, I honestly thought Flynn was done right.  I just didn't care about him because he's pretty much scenery until he dons his robe and wizard hat.

He was a hippy and it was strongly implied that one reason he owned the arcade was because it let him bone slutty teenage chicks.  He's the same guy, just older and creating the slutty teenage chicks in TL.

I liked Jeff B in it.  I wonder if he bothered to re-watch the original and how tough was it for him to avoid playing "The Dude".  

The thing I keep coming back to on this movie is The Grid.  It's such a mystery to me and I'd love to find out more about it and the programs that "live" there.  I mean we see programs enjoy death sports and a drink at that bar but what else?  Are there hippy programs since Flynn designed them?  Is the Grid still Flynn's vision, or have they evolved past his design?  

There are untold stories still in there...TIME TO WRITE SOME FANFIC!

"Slowly he ran his hand down her bare back, the circuits of his fingers pulsated in a soft blue incandescent glow of desire..."

"I put on my light robe and cyber-wizard hat"

The nightclub with Zuse or whatever his name was, was the only part that really annoyed me.  He was a bit too over the top.

ENJOY! (http://www.fanfiction.net/movie/Tron/)*


*Disclaimer - I make no claims regarding the quality of anything you find on FF.net.  Don't blame me if you need brain bleach afterwards.

Yeah. It was the typical "it's a sci-fi movie, we have to have a ravy nightclub in it SOMEWHERE! The kids love their raves!" kind of writing.

It felt like theywere trying to say that programs were more advanced now and felt more 'human' and that would explain the club etc but they never just came out and said it. a line or two from flynn could have handwaved it all away

They let the prequel video game explain that.

Yes. It's stupid. It's Star Wars logic.

'it's bio-digital jazz, man'

Only Jeff Bridges could carry that line.

Epic film, music was unbelievably good. End credits explained why, 'Daft Punk'.

It's not like the original had a red light district.

(http://ewpopwatch.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/tron-the-ladies_510.jpg)

 :awesome_for_real:

There was a fight scene in the club because fight scenes are so awesome they acknowledged it by hanging a big-ass neon lampshade on the fact that the DJs always play music to fight by. DAFT PUNK NODDED AT EACH OTHER THEN PLAYED AWESOME FIGHTTUNES. Then and only then did the Flipout Like A Ninja commence. And it was badass. dudududuCHH dudududuCHH dudududuCHH!

I suppose if you want to be all snooty with your monocles and caviar you can disapprove of the awesome ninjafight in cyberspace with the hiphop club and gay-dot-com digital bartender. But if so, why are you watching Tron Legacy?

Daft Punk =/= hip hop, sirrah!

I'm fine with the awesome ninjafight in cyberspace, I am just tired of every goddamn cyberpunk movie having to include a rave club.

You must have gone to some boring ass rave clubs then.

I concur. From the opening scene the music had me hooked, then to top it off the visuals were brilliant. Icing on the cake was a raven haired, blue eyed babe with a short fringe (that kills me) and a tight bod. Fucking nerds here bitching about lack of real plotlines and insights into the human psyche. If you didn't like this film I pity you, you're dead inside.

 :oh_i_see:

Well, it's sort of cyberpunk-y.  :awesome_for_real:

Tron's as cyberpunky as Daft Punk is hiphoppy.

You're going to have to defend that. How is Tron NOT cyberpunk(-y)?

I'm pretty sure it could be defined as Cyberpunk alright, it also alluded to Clockwork Orange.

How is Daft Punk not hiphoppy?

Is The Six Million Dollar Man cyberpunk because it has cybernetics?

Yes. It's cyberpunk-y. Motherfucker.  :drill:

(http://www.411mania.com/siteimages/kirk-khan-shout_86793.jpg)

lol

Argument got stupid, but at base no-one can say Tron's not cyberpunk.

You just can't.

So Don't.

It's Cyberpunk-lite.

My Little Pony is kinda cyberpunk.

Tron does't have the required levels of noir or nihilsm, but thanks for playing.

Wikipedia lists it!

Not if I edit it!

You should if you really feel this strongly about the matter.

(http://files.sharenator.com/FFFFFUUUUU_Strip_Tease_What_would_you_do-s358x315-30180-580.jpg)

You guys!

"Tron" has the cyberspace of cyberpunk down.

Also, "The Lawnmower Man" is also cyberpunk by the same definition.

I love to watch things burn.

Jurrasic Park has a hacking scene with graphics. That makes it cyberpunk too.


Bomp-te-bomp.

Fair enough.