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[Oban]

Canada, fuck yeah.

Ontario driver watching adult flick while allegedly speeding on 401

The Canadian Press

PORT HOPE, Ont. — Ontario provincial police say a driver who was pulled over for speeding on the weekend was watching an adult film at the time.

Police say they pulled over the car on Highway 401 near Port Hope, Ont., on Saturday morning and noticed the male driver was watching pornography on a portable DVD player sitting on the passenger seat.

Efe Osemwegie, 32, of Mississauga, Ont., is charged with speeding and operating a motor vehicle with a television visible to the driver.

[dusematic]

Geez.  I guess it goes without saying the guy should have discreetly flipped the screen closed while he slowly came to a stop.

[Fordel]

Risk missing the money shot? 



Also, the 401 is unholy.

[NiX]

I'm surprised he could speed on the 401.

[Merusk]

My Dad likes to slam his brakes when people ride his tailgate.  Some of his best stories are those where some retarded chucklefuck decided to get out of their vehicle and teach the asshole in the compact car a lesson.  What makes the stories good is that He's ~6'3", 220 pounds, paid for his commercial diver's certification working as a bouncer in a California strip club, and has thicker arms, neck, and torso measurements than the governator in his prime.

I hope he gets sued for negligence if he causes an accident.  It'll be REAL funny then.  Slamming on your breaks to "teach someone a lesson">tailgating.

I was rear-ended driving my mom's car when I was 16.   I'd started to pull out when some asshat pulled into the far right lane to zip around another car, forcing me to slam on my brakes as I was pulling out.  The woman behind me had been messing with plants and 'anticipated' I was still going when she smashed into me.   While explaining our sides to the police officer, she said she didn't see any car, I was lying and obviously I was at fault.  The cops response was, "Ma'm it doesn't matter if he stopped for an invisible squirrel.  You hit him from behind, so you're at fault."

Improper following distance > all. 

[dusematic]

That's a fair point. I guess it goes without saying any shitbag who stops on purpose to cause an accident isn't going to have a big problem lying about why he stopped abruptly.  But the law of negligence can't be summed up as succinctly as the cop put it.  In general, people owe a duty of care to act as reasonably prudent people.  Most states have modified comparative negligence standards, which essentially means they apportion liability based on how negligent each party was.  It would be for the jury to decide.  I don't really have a lot of practical experience with torts.  I do land use controls.

It doesn't change the fact that the guy can always just move over to the right lane instead of causing an accident.


Edit: for clarity.

[kaid]

If you hit somebody from behind you will get the brunt of any legal repercussion because if you hit them from behind you were by definition driving to close and not maintaining a safe distance or you could have stopped in time or avoided them.

As it would be almost impossible to prove after the fact if the person in front had a "legitimate" reason to hit their breaks the person from behind who hits them will almost always eat the penalties. This is why insurance fraud out works so well where they use a team of two cars a van to be on your side so you cannot move out of your lane and a car in front of you to slam on your breaks.  Unless you just stop moving or slow way down they will wedge you in and you hit the guy in front of you and they sue for whiplash/pain and suffering and the full meal deal. Unless they get greedy and do it to much its almost impossible to get somebody for doing it.

[Sky]

Brakes.

The law and insurance ALWAYS favors the person who got hit from behind. Sorry, Charley, do not tailgate shitty vehicles. I might not slam on my brakes in my new truck, but in my old piece of shit I used to pray for assholes to pull some type A shit around me so I could get a new truck.

I do land use controls.

Scariest part of the thread so far.

[dusematic]

Brakes.

The law and insurance ALWAYS favors the person who got hit from behind. Sorry, Charley, do not tailgate shitty vehicles. I might not slam on my brakes in my new truck, but in my old piece of shit I used to pray for assholes to pull some type A shit around me so I could get a new truck.

It is true that many states have a presumption that someone who rear-ends you is negligent.  But that presumption can always be rebutted.  Hypothetically, in the aforementioned fact pattern of a guy stopping to intentionally cause an accident, well that's grossly reckless behavior.  And in a modified comparative negligence jurisdiction (most are) a jury would likely find that person at a greater degree of liability than the person who hit him.  However, I've already conceded that as a practical matter, this would be difficult to prove.  But you could still attempt to show that the other person stopped so suddenly, that you had no time to stop, and thus reduce your liability (while still being primarily liable).

Either way, I'd sue anyone who I suspected of being that big of a shitbag, just to fuck with their cash.  By the time I was done with them, any money they made off their little scheme would be eaten up in legal fees, and then some.

[dusematic]

I do land use controls.

Scariest part of the thread so far.

Why?  Land Use Controls is a relatively benign and uninteresting facet of the law.

[Hindenburg]

Distinction between internet persona and RL behaviour. Some believe there isn't one.
A similar comment was made about Triforcer once, if I remember correctly.

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Distinction between internet persona and RL behaviour. Some believe there isn't one.
A similar comment was made about Triforcer once, if I remember correctly.

Well, yeah, I figured.  I'm not new to insults on f13.  But my point is that if I screw up, the worst that could happen is someone doesn't get their property rezoned.  In which case that's what malpractice suits are for.  So, essentially just a weak insult.  Sky has terrible taste in music anyway, I don't take him seriously.   

[glennshin]

The asshats that speed up when I give the courtesy of the goddamned blinkers when I go for the pass are the worst. It's gotten so that I don't use the blinkers until after I've started to pass.

One of my driving rules is simply do not interrupt the flow of other people. If someone has to slow down if I jump into a lane, I fucked up. If they are on my ass, I am too slow. Again I fucked up.

Some folks seem to forget all us hairless apes have to use the damn freeway.  DRIVE RIGHT.

[dusematic]

The asshats that speed up when I give the courtesy of the goddamned blinkers when I go for the pass are the worst. It's gotten so that I don't use the blinkers until after I've started to pass.

One of my driving rules is simply do not interrupt the flow of other people. If someone has to slow down if I jump into a lane, I fucked up. If they are on my ass, I am too slow. Again I fucked up.

Some folks seem to forget all us hairless apes have to use the damn freeway.  DRIVE RIGHT.

Exactly.  It's not your duty to hall-monitor the roads.  Get out of the way.  That is all.

[Bzalthek]

I generally drive on the right and if someone is coming up behind me I move over as soon as possible.  However, I drive at about 5 miles over the speed limit, which is pretty much the sweet spot to avoid getting tickets.  If there's no room to move over and you come zooming up my ass, I am not going to risk getting a ticket I can't afford to pay because you 'got somewhere to be.' You're just going to have to wait.

On another note, why is the 'flow of traffic' line always touted for fast traffic?  Sometimes the excessive speeder just needs to slow the fuck down and not disrupt the 'flow of traffic.'

[dusematic]

I generally drive on the right and if someone is coming up behind me I move over as soon as possible.  However, I drive at about 5 miles over the speed limit, which is pretty much the sweet spot to avoid getting tickets.  If there's no room to move over and you come zooming up my ass, I am not going to risk getting a ticket I can't afford to pay because you 'got somewhere to be.' You're just going to have to wait.

On another note, why is the 'flow of traffic' line always touted for fast traffic?  Sometimes the excessive speeder just needs to slow the fuck down and not disrupt the 'flow of traffic.'

If you're in the right lane and you're going at least the speed limit, I think you're fine.  Especially if there's no room to get over.  I get what you're saying on speeders, but in general, people who won't get the fuck out of the way are a much bigger contributing factor to congestion.

[Bzalthek]

What pisses me off is when a lane is closed ahead, and signs indicate such well in advance, you have cock magnets zoom down that lane and expect to merge in front of everyone who paid attention to the damn signs.  The resulting congestion from everyone slowing down and stopping to allow them to do so infuriates me.

[MahrinSkel]

Every forced merge of through lanes (as compared to onramps) should be a forced exit, when possible.  I have never seen a case where a lane is continued past an exit for a few hundred feet that it did not create a mess from people waiting until the merge was forced to try and change lanes, leading to stop-and-go congestion and regular accidents (which shut everything down).  Between people who use any easing of the right lanes as a chance to change lanes and gain a few car lengths, and people trying to block them out to punish them, along with the clueless that don't realize you should merge as soon as you realize you need to, it's a mess at rush hour every single time.

Classic example here in Austin: Mopac (Loop 1) northbound has an entrance into Research Boulevard (Route 183) northbound (it's actually between northeast and northwest).  This makes 4 lanes, and the next exit (Loop 360) will have one of those forced to exit.  Signage will make it look like the next lane in can also exit to 360, but it can't, and in the next quarter mile or so, it will be forced to merge into the remaining two lanes (then another lane will join from the right and it will stay 3 lanes from there to RR 620, 20 miles away).  Research Boulevard is 3+ lanes from beginning to end in both direction, except for this one tiny stretch of the northbound.

The errors of planning out the routes here are legion, the bad signage, the lane that goes away only to be returned, taking the lane away at all rather than forcing the incoming traffic to merge or giving a short stretch of 4 lanes with a forced exit.  And every afternoon, this stretch of highway locks up as all the northbound traffic out of Austin to the NW gets crammed into the two-lane bottleneck.

--Dave

[dusematic]

What pisses me off is when a lane is closed ahead, and signs indicate such well in advance, you have cock magnets zoom down that lane and expect to merge in front of everyone who paid attention to the damn signs.  The resulting congestion from everyone slowing down and stopping to allow them to do so infuriates me.

Haha, yeah.  I remember once in college I went to Bonnaroo. There was 7 hours of traffic in a line waiting to get in.  We were there all morning and all day in the hot sun, and I was running out of gas (didn't expect to be idling that long) so I couldn't run the AC.  We were just baking.  Then, a car full of douches pulled that very same trick, and tried to merge in, bypassing the whole line.  We tried to box them out but they eventually got in.  There was basically a riot.  A bunch of sweaty, high, and pissed off college kids got out of their cars and stormed the offending vehicle.  There was a huge fight but they refused to leave.  It basically made the rest of the weekend suck balls because were then had to camp right next to this car full of douches, and it was awkward and tense.

[Sheepherder]

It is true that many states have a presumption that someone who rear-ends you is negligent.  But that presumption can always be rebutted.  Hypothetically, in the aforementioned fact pattern of a guy stopping to intentionally cause an accident, well that's grossly reckless behavior.

Except in my father's case, he isn't trying to cause an accident, he's trying to provoke assholes and/or drunks into a fistfight on a rural highway.  He doesn't just slam his brakes on a crowded highway mid-day, that would be irresponsible.  However he does it often enough that he's provoked quite a number of people to (attempt to) get out of their vehicle, including a truckload of Mormons.  "Attempt" being the operative word: if you roll down your window to yell at someone it is best to roll it back up before you undo your belt buckle to get out of the vehicle.

As for why: when he isn't diving he primarily works as a firefighter, he is involved with accident cleanup and the town's prevention efforts.  He also likes to beat the shit out of assholes.  Work meets pleasure.

[Oban]

including a truckload of Mormons

 

[bhodi]

http://www.videosift.com/video/A-revolutionary-new-concept-Getting-the-F-k-Out-of-the-Way

[Hindenburg]

That's already been posted in the first page.

[dusematic]

It is true that many states have a presumption that someone who rear-ends you is negligent.  But that presumption can always be rebutted.  Hypothetically, in the aforementioned fact pattern of a guy stopping to intentionally cause an accident, well that's grossly reckless behavior.

Except in my father's case, he isn't trying to cause an accident, he's trying to provoke assholes and/or drunks into a fistfight on a rural highway.  He doesn't just slam his brakes on a crowded highway mid-day, that would be irresponsible.  However he does it often enough that he's provoked quite a number of people to (attempt to) get out of their vehicle, including a truckload of Mormons.  "Attempt" being the operative word: if you roll down your window to yell at someone it is best to roll it back up before you undo your belt buckle to get out of the vehicle.

As for why: when he isn't diving he primarily works as a firefighter, he is involved with accident cleanup and the town's prevention efforts.  He also likes to beat the shit out of assholes.  Work meets pleasure.

I have no problem with asses being kicked with impunity.  But you seemed to suggest that he's intentionally trying to cause accidents.  Which I find HIGHLY scummy.  If that's not the case, all apologies.

[gryeyes]

There is no way to brake check someone tailgating you without being reckless, regardless if ones intention is to provoke a drunk into a fight.  It is a double dose of stupid.

[Sky]

Yeah, if someone is tailgating you, just drop down to about 10 under the limit. I'm not some 'hall monitor' as the dusebag puts it, but by tailgating me, you're risking my safety so I'll react to it. You're not going to get where you're going any faster by riding my bumper, you're just ensuring a crash if something jumps in front of my vehicle, or even if I have to make a sudden slow for a turn or something. That's why the law and insurance treat tailgating so harshly, it's fucking stupid.

(Brake checks on tailgaters is also fucking stupid)

[Oban]

One thing I miss about my Audis is the rear fog light.

[dusematic]

I miss the rear windshield wiper.  None of my cars since the Subaru SVX I had in highschool have ahd one.

[Teleku]

Yeah, if someone is tailgating you, just drop down to about 10 under the limit. I'm not some 'hall monitor' as the dusebag puts it, but by tailgating me, you're risking my safety so I'll react to it. You're not going to get where you're going any faster by riding my bumper, you're just ensuring a crash if something jumps in front of my vehicle, or even if I have to make a sudden slow for a turn or something. That's why the law and insurance treat tailgating so harshly, it's fucking stupid.

(Brake checks on tailgaters is also fucking stupid)

Conversely, I'm a good enough driver that when people are being retarded and driving way slow in front of me, I can tailgate the shit out of them.  Bring myself as close as possible, and maintain that exact distance no matter what they do.  Pass any break checks they try (and oh, how they try), slow down/speed up, etc.  In the end, they always pull over, because it always annoys them more having somebody follow right on their ass for miles, no matter how slow they go.  For me, its a driving game that helps pass the time!

But I only do that to people when they are being dicks (like going under the speed limit on a busy road).   

[dusematic]

Yeah, if someone is tailgating you, just drop down to about 10 under the limit. I'm not some 'hall monitor' as the dusebag puts it, but by tailgating me, you're risking my safety so I'll react to it. You're not going to get where you're going any faster by riding my bumper, you're just ensuring a crash if something jumps in front of my vehicle, or even if I have to make a sudden slow for a turn or something. That's why the law and insurance treat tailgating so harshly, it's fucking stupid.

(Brake checks on tailgaters is also fucking stupid)

Conversely, I'm a good enough driver that when people are being retarded and driving way slow in front of me, I can tailgate the shit out of them.  Bring myself as close as possible, and maintain that exact distance no matter what they do.  Pass any break checks they try (and oh, how they try), slow down/speed up, etc.  In the end, they always pull over, because it always annoys them more having somebody follow right on their ass for miles, no matter how slow they go.  For me, its a driving game that helps pass the time!

But I only do that to people when they are being dicks (like going under the speed limit on a busy road).   

lol

[Selby]

(Brake checks on tailgaters is also fucking stupid)

Depending on how it's done ;-)  I've tapped the brakes with one foot while applying gas on the other, and all that did was cause people to back off without danger of hitting me.

I enjoyed an old car I had that could turn the reverse lights on by rotating the column out of gear.  Scared the shit out of someone who was riding my ass one day by turning the lights on while continuing to drive along.  They stopped doing it.  And yes, it was just me and them on the road and for some reason they didn't think my 70 in a 65 was fast enough so rather than go around they ran right up behind me and sat there.

[Sky]

I tend to give slow people the benefit most times. I picture the times I've needed to drive slow and cautiously, it's usually because I'm carrying something fragile/tippy/flammable/explosive, or I've got somebody sick or injured in the car. Then again, I don't really speed and leave enough time to get places and enjoy driving. I also don't live in the asshole places you guys live with hellish commutes through five lanes of morons. Hell, I make my fiancee drive through Albany, fuck those assholes.

[Paelos]

This thread makes me think an F13.net Cannonball Run race is in order.

[Oban]

I would win.

[NiX]

Surprisingly, for a thread about bad drivers, there's a lack of racism or stereotypes.