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So I'm not sure exactly how many smokers with have on the board, but have any of you tried vaping yet? Instead of smoking you use an eCigarette to heat nicotine-laced water into vapor and inhale that (hence vaping). I bought one two days ago and so far it's going good. Does anyone else have them?

Does it fill the need?

Might as well call this thread Nerfbait.

Can you smoke them on airplanes?

I mean, "vape" them.

The vaping industry needs a new verb.

To reply without quotes, it does work well, but takes some getting used to. With cigarettes being 6 bucks a pack over here, it makes sense to switch.

People actually vape on planes, they just blow the ~~smoke~~ vapor into their shirt or something. I would never have the balls to pull it off myself.

In the most prominent ecigarette forum there is a whole subforum of people's experiences smoking them in public. Most of them are titled:

Vaped at Costco
Vaping at Walmart
Vaping at Work?

Most of the experiences are surprisingly positive, even when law enforcement is involved.

They work fine. I think it's funny that so much effort was put into making it look so much like a cig that it's in the Uncanny Tobacco Valley. Need THC capsulses for it.

Do the fumes carry the same chemicals as normal smoke? Since you didn't both to link to anything, I have no idea what this amounts to.

Funny, I bought a vaporiser to let me smoke other things without using tobacco. awesome, for real

Works great if you're vaping the right kind of stuff, i.e. fairly sticky buds. Does not work with dry, powdery or solid stuff.

Quote from: apocrypha on July 13, 2009, 12:34:16 PM

Works great if you're vaping the right kind of stuff, i.e. fairly sticky buds. Does not work with dry, powdery or solid stuff.

Try this for the latter.

Quote from: NiX on July 13, 2009, 12:27:39 PM

Do the fumes carry the same chemicals as normal smoke? Since you didn't both to link to anything, I have no idea what this amounts to.

Here are the ingredients of the e-liquid I just bought:

# Propylene Glycol
# Glycerol
# Distilled water
# Nicotine
# Vegetable Glycerin
# Natural and Artificial flavors

You exhale water vapor, there aren't any carcinogens or nasty chemicals.

I suspect it will still be subject to scrutiny if it picks up and eventually banned the same as cigarettes are in most establishments.

The FDA is trying to meddle with them because they have the necessary power. There is no detriment to having them in a business establishment, I imagine people would welcome the alternative.

It's also fun to vape at your desk at work!

Quote from: Righ on July 13, 2009, 12:36:30 PM

Try this for the latter.

What the heck is that stuff? Years ago when I was still smoking several dealers all moved over to something that kinda looked like buds and my friends all thought it was buds, but I knew it wasn't. Pretty sure it was something like they're selling, which would make it ironic (legal) and tragic (not stoning).

Interesting, I'm going to try it. Probably not the most ideal thing to remain addicted to nicotine, but at least there aren't carcinogens, tar, or whatever the fuck, etc..

In the last few years, a lot of scientists have been saying that nicotine is just as dangerous as tar because of how significantly it accelerates Atherosclerosis. At least you don't smoke your tobacco in a hookah. I hear that's really bad for you!

You would think, had that been proven, that it would be in the wikipedia entry for Atherosclerosis.

Edit: Instead, it got a few footnotes with little to no elaboration.

Nicotine is probably really bad for you... if you're a fetus. Ohhhhh, I see.

No really though, first things first!

Quote from: schild on July 13, 2009, 03:30:48 PM

You would think, had that been proven, that it would be in the wikipedia entry for Atherosclerosis.

Edit: Instead, it got a few footnotes with little to no elaboration.

My sister worked in a library for 18 years. She's the one who tells me all this stuff. She also is all new agey medicine-y and I have a cupboard full of weird tinctures and stuff that you stick in a teapot. Blame her. She is her own walking talking bossy wikipedia! I believe everything she says. I have to!

Do you assholes want to live ninety (maybe!) miserable years or seventy awesome ones?

Quote from: Yegolev on July 13, 2009, 07:24:20 PM

Do you assholes want to live ninety (maybe!) miserable years or seventy awesome ones?

At the rate I'm going, 50 totally awesome ones. Other than 2009.

Walking is good for you! Builds up lung capacity so you can take in more smoke.

Quote from: schild on July 13, 2009, 11:33:07 AM

Might as well call this thread Nerfbait.

Bout damned time someone made this thread.

So, Ecigs, they're pretty fucking great, just not from the factory. I got one for my brother back in May as a birthday present, and found out pretty quickly the 'stock' ecigs are balls. After the 2nd battery died inside of 3 weeks, I decided it was time to start makin' shit. First attempt was to do away with batteries altogether, we're computer nerds, might as well power it off USB.

Button placement is ass, but it hit like a freight train and its always at full power. Honed the design down a side-switch the next time, and made one in a box with a retractable cable.

Next was the problem of having something to smoke when you're not in front of your computer or lugging your laptop around. The batteries that come with the stock ecigs are 3.6v rechargeable li-polys with a 180-350mA rating. The atomizer coils draw a bit over an amp, which is why these batteries don't last very long.

Found these flashlights at autozone, 2 for $5, after a bit of soldering and epoxying, I had my own portable 8+ hour ecig:
Runs off rechargeable 14500 or 18500 li-ions, heavy usage gets you between 6 and 12 hours between charges. The batteries are 2 for $5 from dealextreme, beats the hell out of paying $12 for an ecig battery that dies after 2 weeks.

I've honed em a bit since that first flashlight, the ones I'm making now are called "The Showcase" and look a bit like this (warning, alpha version pic):

My USB direct connectors have evolved as well, I've found they work really well in these little enclosures, and come in nifty colors!
All in all, I've been doing the ecig thing as a business since the beginning of June, right now I just make custom mods (pictured above) for people, and am the sole supplier for the brass connectors that the atomizers screw onto for people who want to make their own. I've got wholesale accounts with most of the main chinese suppliers, so if anyone wants OEM stuff on the cheap without paying $20+ to have it shipped, just ask.

If you're looking at trying it for the first time, the main models that you should stick with are the 801 and 901. There are really only about 5 actual ecig models that everyone just rebrands, and I've found these two to work the best and be easy to work with. I personally prefer the bestecig.com products, they manufacture their atomizer heating coils thicker than the others, and the damn things seem to last forever, even at double the OEM voltage. The BE112 is the 801, and the BE901 is the 901. The 801 will give you an easier draw and more flavor, the 901 is a bit stiffer but bigs you a bigger chest/throat hit. Less airflow, hotter vapor.

If you're like me and do your due diligence before buying something, you're going to run across people talking about the hot new thing, the best ecig in the world, etc. You'll see names like "The Screwdriver", "The GG", "The Prodigy", "The Silver Bullet", and so on and so forth. They're all going to run $140-$200. Don't waste your fucking money. They are all exactly the same thing, with the minor exception that some of them are actually dangerous and might explode in your hand.

The only thing that makes an E-cig an E-cig is the atomizer. That's it. Aside from that, all you're doing is hooking up a power source to power the atomizer. I'll gladly walk anyone who wants to know how through the process of making one of these, if you've got the tools it's really not that hard. Or you can buy mine, for a hell of a lot less than $140.

If you order your juice and atomizers from china, a pack-a-day smoker can expect to spend about $30-50/month on e-smoking. There are currently no U.S. manufacturers of atomizers or e-juice, if you order it stateside, you're paying a 400%+ markup to get it a few days sooner.

The manufacturers charge the same for all of the different strengths of nicotine juice too, so your best bet is to order the 36mg stuff and cut it propylene gylcol, which is about $25/gal. Don't use glycerin/vegetable glycerin, it clogs up the atomizers something fierce and will kill them quick.

Nerf, I think you have the makings of an eBay success story here. I've been considering these since the last hike in cig prices (I smoke a lot less than I used to, but I'm still approaching $100/month). If I take the plunge, I may want to get one of yours. Are you building around an electric toothbrush chassis? If so, you could get a lot of color variations pretty easily.

--Dave

Until the EPA and FDA get together and nuke him from orbit.

I appreciate how the best models all look nothing like cigarettes, but with society being a bit wary with ecigarettes that look like cigarettes, models that look like flashlights are little too out there right now.

I'd like to smoke something that looks like a cigarette, right now I have a crown seven which I think is a 901. It's great so far but I'm not looking forward to cleaning the Atomizer, and I'm also patiently awaiting my juice. Juice is definitely a requirement for these things, the regular carts suck.

So Nerf, if you create something that looks somewhat like a cigarette (and works brilliantly) I will give you money. Otherwise I'm going for a yeti next.

Are you using e-cigs as a full replacement for smoking or as a step to complete stoppage?

Quote from: gryeyes on July 13, 2009, 10:03:00 PM

Are you using e-cigs as a full replacement for smoking or as a step to complete stoppage?

If I wanted to stop, I'd have stuck with the patches or the gum. I want a cheaper fix, and not looking at emphysema or cancer would be a nice bonus. I don't give a damn if my weird-looking delivery device draws stares, those flashlights have a certain degree of bling-factor and you could decal or paint them to boot.

--Dave

I can stop smoking randomly for 6ish months with almost no desire to smoke again. And then I will smoke 1 cigarette and instantly begin smoking a pack a day.

Quote from: Ookii on July 13, 2009, 09:56:45 PM

The real limitation is the battery, I am working on a much smaller housing thats just barely larger than a AA battery, but I'm probably going to have to get it machined.

The ones that look like cigarettes are cool, but the novelty wears off pretty fast. Using cartridges sucks, you get really inconsistent hits at best, lots of shitty ones at worst. Dripping 2 drops of liquid at a time directly onto the atomizer is the way to go, but liquid eventually seep down into the automatic switch and fries it. There are manual batteries with a button instead to solve that problem, but you're still looking at the issue of discharging a 200mA battery at ~6C and getting a couple hours between charges.

For home/work use, you want to use a USB ecig, they're also much cheaper than the portable battery op ones ($25 vs. $75)

The one barely bigger than a AA works for me, I don't think it's something I'd engage in if I'm taking hits off of something that looks like a screwdriver.

Quote from: Nerf on July 13, 2009, 10:50:49 PM

The real limitation is the battery, I am working on a much smaller housing thats just barely larger than a AA battery, but I'm probably going to have to get it machined.

What about one of the flashlights based around a pair of CR23 batteries? Or wedging a couple of CR23's into a single-AA flashlight casing (you'd have to find about 1/2 inch of space somewhere, some of it could come from the spring)? There's only about 1.5mm difference in diameter.

--Dave

If you mean the CR123s (16340), its a bit wider than than 14500, but not quite as long. Li-ions all follow the same nomenclature for their names according to size. The first two numbers are the diameter, the last 3 are the length. All in mm, length to the tenth.

Soo, the CR123s are nice, and tenergy does offer them in a 3v version so you can run 2 for ~7.2v peak or so, 6v nominal, and it rocks, but you're getting back out of cigarette size.

The flashlight I posted of a picture of above will fit 2 cr123s though, it just takes a little creativity when making it. Some people love high voltage vaping, some people hate it. It's really a question of flavor. The more voltage you pump through the atomizer, the more watts your coil is cranking out, and the hotter your vapor is going to get. Hotter vapor generally means a bigger throat/chest hit, but less flavor, and some flavors will even have a bit of a burnt taste to them.

It doesn't look as bad as I remember, but you'd have to make stuff like the screwdriver. The stuff you have so far looks more like prototypes, I'd probably buy the screwdriver off of you if you had one.

Can you make one look steampunk? It's what you do, no?