Moon

[schild]

I think i must have seen some other version to everyone else. Sat down with decent expectations and then watched a movie go absolutely nowhere for two hours (or however long it was). Two clones fight, one dies, other one escapes into spaaaaaaaaaaaaaaace. The fuck was the point of this film?

Obviously, it wasn't for you.

[Vision]

I think i must have seen some other version to everyone else. Sat down with decent expectations and then watched a movie go absolutely nowhere for two hours (or however long it was). Two clones fight, one dies, other one escapes into spaaaaaaaaaaaaaaace. The fuck was the point of this film?

It showed the multiple sides of human emotion, and how emotional attachment doesn't have to be associated with a living being, but anything that makes decisions (What Rockwell says to Gertty* at the end of the movie). Or at least that was what my over-analyzing techniques pulled from the movie.

I was just really glad it didn't turn into an evil robot flick where the ships AI turns rogue and tries to doom the passengers.

[tgr]

The ending was not what I expected it to be, and I certainly didn't expect him to be a clone or anything. I actually had no idea what the movie was all about (I find that tends to make them better, not knowing), and I initially thought it was going to be another horror flic in space. Obviously that didn't pan out, but I certainly did not regret putting it on.

In fact, the plot twist made me

[HaemishM]

Finally saw this. I wanted to love this movie. I ended up liking it - maybe I was way too tired to watch a movie this slow. Again, I liked it a good bit, I just didn't love it. Rockwell was fantastic, but he always is. I hope he gets some Oscar thought for this, but I'd be surprised if there was much serious Oscar buzz because it's scifi. It's one of those movies that I'll probably think about for a long time, which tells me it's very successful artistically. My only real criticism is I wanted to like it more.

[JWIV]

God damn.  FINALLY got around to watching this.   Fantastic performance from Sam Rockwell and a beautifully understated film that expects its audience to have more than two brain cells to rub together.   

[Tarami]

Agreed, very good movie eventhough it has quite a few plotholes. One of my favourite tidbits is that it took me until well after the film to realize that there hadn't actually been two Sam Rockwell on screen but a case of very tactfully used CG.

Also, the AI being benevolent while avoiding the cliché "I have FEELINGS" drivel was a nice touch.

Oh, great music too in fact.

I'm here to keep you safe, Sam. I want to help you.

[Soln]

beautiful film holes and all

[pxib]

Agreed, very good movie eventhough it has quite a few plotholes. One of my favourite tidbits is that it took me until well after the film to realize that there hadn't actually been two Sam Rockwell on screen but a case of very tactfully used CG.

You think that was tactful? Here's one to cook your noggin: Gerty was almost entirely CG. The practical robot props did not move. At all. Not the arms, not turning, nothing. They built the entire moonbase set in the computer so that the lighting would be exactly right.

[Furiously]

[Vaiti]

This is one of the movies that goes into my "rewatch anytime" bin.
Just a beautifully done movie with few large plot holes.

Fiction without the "trying too hard". It just works. A truly high quality film.

[Furiously]

As important to the scifi genre as Let the Right One In was for horror/vampire flicks. These movies are rare, and should be cherished.

Thanks for the "Let the Right One In" recommendation, watched it today on Netflix. Very good. I see they are making a US version... I wonder how horrid that will be.

[sickrubik]

As important to the scifi genre as Let the Right One In was for horror/vampire flicks. These movies are rare, and should be cherished.

Thanks for the "Let the Right One In" recommendation, watched it today on Netflix. Very good. I see they are making a US version... I wonder how horrid that will be.

The remake is being done by Matt Reeves, who directed "Cloverfield", which is of course a very divisive movie itself, but he gets the material, at least. Given that the film can be made for a very small budget, he's been given the freedom to just film it, so hopefully it won't come out hollywoodized. They kept the age of the children, casting Chloe Moetz as Abby (not a huge fan of the name change, as it removes certain mystery), who recently played Hit Girl in the Kick Ass flick.

That being said, I still don't think it NEEDED a remake. The first one is so wonderful. One of my favorites in the last 5 years.

[Mrbloodworth]

Watched this last night, what a great ride!

[shiznitz]

2009 movie I never heard of until Netflix put it in front of me. Sam Rockwell stars and crushes it. Great twist which I did catch before the reveal.  A film that shows great stuff can be done on a low budget.  Boilerplate summary:

As he nears the end of a lonely three-year stint on the moon base Sarang, astronaut Sam Bell (Sam Rockwell) begins to hear and see strange things. It's not long before Sam suspects that his employer -- the conglomerate LUNAR -- has other plans for him.

I looked for it here, so if it has been talked about, forgive me.

[proudft]

It was!  http://forums.f13.net/index.php?topic=17304.0

[Tarami]

I realized Spotify has the soundtrack: http://open.spotify.com/album/3VFByhqH5Qo5TROwAqtAVK

[Ratman_tf]

I am sssssssssssssloooow. Just picked this up. Liked it immensley.

I'm glad they didn't go all HAL on GERTY, but I'm wondering why the company wouldn't.

I went through most of the clone stuff expecting it to be the dying hallucinations of the real Sam croaking out in the wreck.

[stu]

I thought Sam Rockwell should have been nominated for an Oscar. I'm a big fan though.

[dusematic]

Good mov (I call movies "movs" now.  Deal with it).

[cironian]

I'm glad they didn't go all HAL on GERTY, but I'm wondering why the company wouldn't.

I got the feeling that they kind of gave a nod to HAL, in that GERTY was given partially contradicting goals: Assure Sam's well-being and don't tell him about all the secrets around him. Only this time, the AI reconciled those goals by discreetly nudging Sam to where he could find the solution by himself.

[Mrbloodworth]

[Ratman_tf]

In my head, I waved it away thinking that the near pods were fully grown and nearly ready clones, and the further you go down the hall, the less developed the clone is. so the ones furthest away would be embyos and eventually just clusters of cells. Each clone, if they can't force age them, would need 20something years to cook.

...

Wait. That doesn't match up with the time frame of the family. Scratch that last thought. They must force age them.

[pxib]

Meh, Bellisario's Maxim.

It drove me nuts that they moved as if there were Moon gravity while outside, but Earth gravity while inside. Imagine what ping pong would actually look like at 1/6 G, for example. Then I just accepted it and enjoyed the film.

[Khaldun]

Caught this on Netflix. I thought it was terrific--when Rockwell manages to call home the enormity of what's been done really hit me like a freight train, that idea that you'd willingly allow some version of yourself to be consigned to that was both emotionally devastating and totally plausible. All sorts of fascinating connections to the real-life story laid out in the Immortal Life of Henrietta Lacks, for anyone who has read that.

[Rishathra]

that idea that you'd willingly allow some version of yourself to be consigned to that

I don't remember anywhere in the movie where it's pointed out that ur-Rockwell was in on it.

[Ironwood]

I also assumed it was done without his knowledge...

[Samwise]

I thought it was a bit ambiguous and could go either way, but the headlines at the end indicating that the company got in trouble for their actions suggest that using clones for cheap labor is not an accepted business practice in the world of the movie.

[Ironwood]

Would YOU do it to yourself knowingly ?

[Samwise]

No, but on multiple occasions I have been accused of being a freakishly morally upstanding human being, so I'm not a good example.  I can pretty easily see a normal person signing a release for the unlimited use of his DNA and memories if he needed the money and never had to see the result.

[Khaldun]

See, I thought it was perfectly possible he knew it had been done. And that possibility is emotionally devastating because it's plausible. Say you're an engineer, you work for a company, they say, "Look we value your abilities and your expertise, we'd like to find a way to make more extensive use of your skills in a high-risk context. So, what we'd like to do is clone you. The clones will stay on the Moon, they'll never know what they are, and you'll be extremely handsomely compensated. Imagine it's like donating blood, and you're right on target". We all think, "No way would I do that." Think first, what if the compensation was very good? Think second, what if it was implied that this was a necessary condition of continued profitable employment. Think third, we already sometimes give away things from our bodies and think nothing more of what comes of it. Or we do think, in the case of adoption, and yet still do it. People working for the government sometimes give assent to their work being used in ways that are almost certainly going to be unethical, but they go ahead and allow it or acquiese to it.

It's possible. It's upsetting. It's interesting. Which adds up to superior speculative fiction.

[Ironwood]

Nope, sorry, I reject that utterly.

[bhodi]

Nope, sorry, I reject that utterly.

I'd do it, if I needed the money/job and was desperate enough. I don't think he did, though. I am not nearly as selfless a person.

[Ironwood]

Dear God.

See, you're the type of person they put in Clone Movies - Because your clone feels the same way and tries to kill you, leading to Enormous Tension and a Box Office Winner !!!

Me, all you'd get in a clone movie is the wife getting multi'd.

[Arthur_Parker]

I thought the original guy knew, I suspected the wife knew too so she would have helped to record more videos for unexpected events.  But I'll have to watch it again now with an open mind.

[Ratman_tf]

Would YOU do it to yourself knowingly ?

If somebody offered me a million bucks, I'd be sorely tempted.

The company might have given him a good sell, on the cost of transporting people back and forth, the nature of the clones, and how the clones are treated, and the guy might have really needed the money.

We know, in hindsight, how shitty a setup it turned out, but original Sam might not.