Farrah and Michael Jackson Dead

[Ironwood]

 Speculation that is paramount to libel/slander…

Heh.

I don't think he's gonna be suing anyone.

[schild]

Just because a generation of retarded no-talent hacks have tried to make their living off copying Jackson's moves does not make his music influential. His music was retreaded disco turned pop, with a whole shitload of showbiz glitz added on. Prince was more musically influential, and Jackson's music influences came from Quincy Fucking Jones.

Michael Jackson could dance. He could sing. I can't say much about his music beyond that.

lol

Edit: Ok, seriously though, you can't have NERD or Timberlake or any sort of pop post Michael Jackson without Michael Jackson. Sure, we can thank Quincy Jones. But shit, Jackson was still kicking ass with Remember the Time and Scream (which is possibly the only good thing Janet ever worked on).

[Ingmar]

I can't say much about his music beyond that.

Yes that was apparent. 

[Sjofn]

Aw snap.

[schild]

I can't say much about his music beyond that.

Yes that was apparent. 

This was a much better answer than mine.

[Evildrider]

I was about to make a post about the only comparable (and equally fucked up but in different ways) pop singer was Madonna. And then I saw Apocrypha's post, and then I went to Amazon and lo and behold what are they pimping with MJ? Madonna.

I think Prince also has to be on the list - really of the 3 I would say Prince is probably the most influential on other people's work - but you're totally right.

I don't know if he's as influential.  It's more that Prince wrote a fuckload of songs and sold them off to lots of people.

[schild]

Bowie is more influential than the lot of them. But, you know, All 3 of them are STILL ALIVE.

Also, yea, I've never heard anyone say they were influenced by Prince.

[HaemishM]

Trent Reznor. 

[schild]

Someone can dig this up when it becomes relevant.


Nothing like ruining jokes for an unspecified time in the future.

[Amarr HM]

Holy Michael,
Mother of Pop,
pray for us sinners now,
and at the hour of your death.

Shamone!!! He Heeee!

[chargerrich]

To those calling MJ a pedophile: how do you know this for certain? He was exonerated of charges and never have any those charges stuck…

…granted, his behavior and actions were downright creepy, but to assert the allegations as truth is nothing more than playing God…

He made two settlement counter offers in 1993 during his first accusation, then had another trial in what 2003?

Oh and now that he is dead, I expect one of both of the "Corey's" to talk... probably Haim since he seems more desperate for money/attention.  

Where's theres smoke and all...

In that trial, he was found innocent.

Regarding the settlement offers, it could well be that he wanted to keep his creepiness secret, creepiness that did not include boy sex or perhaps other weirdness he did not want exposed to public that would come to light at a trial… …you do not know for sure, so you are making an ASSUMPTION.  Speculation that is paramount to libel/slander…

Granted, he placed himself in scenarios that absolutely guaranteed accusations like this would come about, irrespective of whether they are true or not…

At least OJ got a civil pronouncement…

Oh you are right he was found innocent, just like OJ, Jayson Williams, Lizzie Borden and John and Patsy Ramsey...

However despite all this, there is a distinction between having done something wrong or illegal and law enforcement being able to prove it.

There was enough circumstancial evidence supporting that he was at best doing something inappropriate even if not proved illegal. The guy was creepy even when painted by the most ardent supporters, what he did we do not know but most sane parents would have their children no where near him and for good reason. He does not need to be convicted for any person or parent to think the guy had a disgusting and abnormal fetish and fascination with Children.

That was my point but you are correct, he was found innocent.

Edit - just read up on the Ramsey's ... maybe they are actually are/were inncocent. 

[Ingmar]

Bowie is more influential than the lot of them. But, you know, All 3 of them are STILL ALIVE.

Also, yea, I've never heard anyone say they were influenced by Prince.

The list is very very very long. Start with Beck's entire Midnite Vultures album.

Bowie is up there too but that's really a generation earlier music-wise.

[Sjofn]

Someone can dig this up when it becomes relevant.


Nothing like ruining jokes for an unspecified time in the future.

I laughed OUT LOUD.

[schild]

Bowie is up there too but that's really a generation earlier music-wise.

Yea, which gives him a lot more time to be influential.

[Signe]

It sure didn't take long for the dead Michael Jackson jokes to appear.  I wonder how long people have been waiting.

For those with a sick, evil sense of humour:  http://www.deadmichaeljacksonjokes.com/  Oh dear!

[voodoolily]

I was totally just about to post the McJackson.

[Amarr HM]

Bowie is more influential than the lot of them. But, you know, All 3 of them are STILL ALIVE.

Also, yea, I've never heard anyone say they were influenced by Prince.

Prince has been very influential in the funk & RnB circles, he's a serious guitar player though I'm not a huge fan of his music.

[IainC]

Bowie is more influential than the lot of them. But, you know, All 3 of them are STILL ALIVE.

Also, yea, I've never heard anyone say they were influenced by Prince.

Prince has been very influential in the funk & RnB circles, he's a serious guitar player though I'm not a huge fan of his music.

Prince being all srs bsns on the guitar

[WayAbvPar]

It sure didn't take long for the dead Michael Jackson jokes to appear.  I wonder how long people have been waiting.

For those with a sick, evil sense of humour:  http://www.deadmichaeljacksonjokes.com/  Oh dear!

Whats the difference betwwen Michael Jacson and Alex Ferguson. Ferguson will be playing Giggs in August.


OK that made me LOL.

[sigil]

It sure didn't take long for the dead Michael Jackson jokes to appear.  I wonder how long people have been waiting.

For those with a sick, evil sense of humour:  http://www.deadmichaeljacksonjokes.com/  Oh dear!

Whats the difference betwwen Michael Jacson and Alex Ferguson. Ferguson will be playing Giggs in August.


OK that made me LOL.

LOL niiiice.

[Ceryse]

I don't think anyone can ignore that he made (or at least sang) some of the greatest songs in modern history.

And I don't think anyone, other than a liar, would say they did not enjoy any of his songs, especially this one:

I don't know; I never liked any of his material; the songs, dance, etc. at all. But I've never liked the genre the least bit, and his songs and voice grated on me almost as much as Britney's. I've never got why people think he was such a great act or singer. But, I also don't like most music out there, so there's that.

[Nebu]

I don't know; I never liked any of his material; the songs, dance, etc. at all. But I've never liked the genre the least bit, and his songs and voice grated on me almost as much as Britney's. I've never got why people think he was such a great act or singer. But, I also don't like most music out there, so there's that.

How old were you in 1980?  That may have something to do with it.  

I grew up with the Jackson 5 and heard Michael on the radio nonstop in my highschool/college years in the early 80's.  Like him or not, he was a cog in the culture in a big way.  Hell, his appearance at the Motown anniversary celebration where he did the moonwalk to Billy Jean blew the lid off the entertainment and live music industry. 

[schild]

I don't know; I never liked any of his material; the songs, dance, etc. at all. But I've never liked the genre the least bit, and his songs and voice grated on me almost as much as Britney's. I've never got why people think he was such a great act or singer. But, I also don't like most music out there, so there's that.

How old were you in 1980?  That may have something to do with it. 

I grew up with the Jackson 5 and heard Michael on the radio nonstop in my highschool/college years in the early 80's.  Like him or not, he was a cog in the culture in a big way.  Hell, his appearance at the Motown anniversary celebration where he did the moonwalk to Billy Jean blew the lid off the entertainment and live music industry. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VASYhabHkM

Worth linking because it's amazing.

[Tale]

I was 10 in 1980 and I knew Michael Jackson was famous and heard his music through the 1980s, but thought it was overrated. It still doesn't appeal to me, but I can appreciate the artistry.

Also, defining him as of the same time as Madonna (earlier in thread) is a bit strange. Michael Jackson was already a child pop star of the 1970s, whose stardom grew in adulthood. An adult Madonna suddenly sprang onto the pop music scene in the early 1980s. Madonna was pure 80s pop schlock, Jacko was 70s rhythms continued.

[Ingmar]

Just checked the iTunes store, 9 out of the top 10 selling albums right now are Jackson.

[Sir T]

Probably my favorite Jackson song is "Give in to me" from the album "Dangerous. Its a really muscly powerful song, that blends Jackson with the hard rock of Guns and Roses (the Roses guitarist Slash performed on the track). Its amazing that those 2 styles blended so well, and is a testament to his talent, and that of Slash.

He was an amazing talent, that was sucked dry, chewed up and spat out by the machine and by extension, every one of us. He will be missed. May he rest, at last, in peace.

[Trippy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VASYhabHkM

But the chaiiirssss not my son.

[Tale]

But the chaiiirssss not my son.

Yeah, about that. Even on the album and single, he never said kid, he clearly pronounced it "chid". Was there a story to that?

[Trippy]

"child's"

[Tale]

The lyrics to the song are "but the kid is not my son". And Michael Jackson sang "chid is", never "child's". No l-sound involved, ever.

[Trippy]

I know, that's why I used "chaaiiirrsss".

[Amarr HM]

Evertime I see this thread I read "Farrah and Michael Jacksons Dad".

[Teleku]

Hmmm, weird feelings about all this.

To date myself, I was born in 1983.  In my earlier childhood memories, Michale Jackson was the biggest fucking thing in mine (and everybody elses) life.  Seriously, has there ever been as big of a celebrity as him?  I don't think we've had any ultra celebs like him since the Beatles.  I remember him being more popular than anybody on the fucking planet when I was a kid.  A chance to meet him would be bigger than a chance to meet the president, pope, what ever.  There were all sorts of videos of people fainting at just the sight of him.

I god damned loved his music (again, as a kid).  His music was great, and his videos were amazing.  That might have been the kid in me at the time, but Jesus Christ I loved his videos.  So imaginative.  When I was a kid, my family was way to poor to ever afford cable.  We could get free preview months however, every now and again, and get MTV that way.  We would literally call everybody in the house to come watch when a Michale Jackson video came on, because it was that rare and special.  Weird to say now and look back on it all (again, probably because we were dirt poor, and had to record cable tv on our BETA Max at my cousins house to watch at our house), but that's how it was....

Then I sort of grew out of it.  At the same time I got older, all the pedo shit hit the fan, and all the various weird ass shit that came after that.  I've seriously never listed or watched anything he's done since the early 90's.  When ever I heard a song of his, I actually felt nervous and embarrassed to be listening to it, because of all the freaky shit the guy seemed to be in.

But now, looking back at at it all.....Jesus fuck the guy deserved it.  His music was great.  His performances were great.  I mean, I watched that video above of him preforming Billie Jean when I was a kid, and remember liking it.  But now that I'm older, I REALLY can actually appreciate all the effort that went into making all those moves while singing.  No one does shit like that now.  Seeing him in his prime would be the best concert I'd ever gone to.  And trust me, my dad being a big old timey music buff, drug me to every rock concert that happened to come by us from an early age until high school (the plus side to that being I got to see Pink Floyd on their last tour.  I was in 5th grade, everybody around me was wasted on mushrooms, and some guy puked about a kegs worth of beer all over me.  Interesting times as a kid). 

So yeah, the guy went down hardcore in his later career, but I think I'm going to be listening to some of his shit for awhile now.  It was REALLY good.

On that note, HOLY FUCK, why are some of you even referencing Prince?  The guy was a weirdo icon of the 80's, but his music has no where near the influence and long lastingness (not sure of the right made up word I should have used there) of any of Jackson's songs.  I don't remember much of him being played as a kid, and all the replays I hear on the radio mostly sound shitty when I listen to them now.  There is no god damn comparison, no matter how good some of his songs might have been.




On that note, I love Paulaner Oktoberfest, and have already polished off a 6 pack of it tonight 

[Tale]

You consistently spell it Michale, most of his fans on Twitter spell it Micheal - the trending topic when he died was "Micheal Jackson". I'm not making a spelling complaint, I notice these things because I am required to spell accurately for a living (editor).

I guess it's a sign of him being larger than life. Nobody seems to have paid any attention to what his actual name looked like - he was a spoken-about thing for you, not a written word.

On that note, HOLY FUCK, why are some of you even referencing Prince?  The guy was a weirdo icon of the 80's, but his music has no where near the influence and long lastingness (not sure of the right made up word I should have used there) of any of Jackson's songs.  I don't remember much of him being played as a kid, and all the replays I hear on the radio mostly sound shitty when I listen to them now.  There is no god damn comparison, no matter how good some of his songs might have been.

I think they were talking about musical influence. I didn't really like Prince or Michael Jackson, and neither of them had much impact on me or my friends when we were teenagers in the 1980s, but Prince had a phenomenal impact on other musicians. Jacko's impact was all on the public. Prince was everywhere on radio in the late 1980s. You're underestimating him I think.

[01101010]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VASYhabHkM

Worth linking because it's amazing.

I remember that. That got a lot of kids in my school into dancing and white-kid breakdancing ensued. Looking at it now, I can't help but see the influence of Elvis splashed all over it. And of course it all spins back to where Elvis learned his moves from.

If it wasn't Michael, I wonder who would have taken p Quincy Jones mantle, if anyone.