Give me my peanuts!

[Merusk]

As I said, expect it to simply go away. No more peanuts in anything because it's too dangerous and you can't remove all chances of exposure without removing them entirely.   Then expect all nuts to simply go away.  Then wheat.  Then dairy.  I see the undercurrents right here in this thread alone.  We're the hyper-protective, hyper-litigious society, and it's only going to increase in scope.

[Signe]

Bunch of bollocks.  Peanuts are going nowhere, except for peanut free donut shops and restaurants that people choose to own.  There might be Dunkin Donut shops that don't sell peanut donuts, but are those shops even peanut free?  I'm doubtful.  Dairy and wheat are here to stay, too.  We can't even get rid of cigarettes!

You are so .

I have noticed, which is a good thing, that supermarkets such as Wegmans and Whole Foods now have gluten free isles.  Whole Foods in this area has quite a large selection, too.  There are a lot of really good gluten free recipes and cookbooks floating around, too.  Problem is, gluten free is expensive.  People have to spend a fortune to keep safe and not give up decent tasting food.  Enough people seem to have peanut and wheat allergies that every store should have these isles.

[MahrinSkel]

Its strange how an allergy to peanuts is almost entirely a "first world" affliction.

As I understand it, allergies in general are linked to two things: Too early an exposure to that type of food, and; Too hygienic a childhood.  They are now very explicit that you shouldn't feed a baby peanut butter or a variety of other things known to provoke severe food allergies.  On the second, there's been quite a few studies linking extremely strict infant and toddler hygiene to increased rates of asthma and allergies.  Apparently the developing immune system needs to calibrate itself against the environment, and if the environment is too free of exposure to bacteria, toxins, and parasites, it winds up sensitized to other environmental triggers like pollens.  With us (Americans and Europeans) no longer letting toddlers play in the dirt and mud, and bathing them several times a week (or even a day), this is causing a major increase in environmental allergies.

You also have a highly mobile population that is routinely going to new areas with new pollens, and sealing themselves (and their children) into HEPA-filtered air conditioned bubbles.

One of the cases that set them on that route was a Pacific island where the staple food was squid, and the inhabitants nearly all had the same intestinal parasites.  When they cured the islanders of the parasite, the next generation grew up with a very high rate of allergy to squid.

So, there you have it: If you love your kids, let them eat mud pies.

--Dave

[gryeyes]

As I understand it, allergies in general are linked to two things:

Completely anecdotal but growing up and well into young adulthood i had fairly bad allergies to pollen and pretty much any furred animal. And i noticed that after i was exposed to an allergen that if i paid any conscious attention to the vague discomfort that i would have an almost immediate reaction (eyes swelled,rash). But if i ignored it after a little while any sensation of discomfort would go away. So today even if its raining pollen outside as long as i don't dote on it i wont have any reaction. But the instant I pay any conscious attention my eyes explode.

[Trippy]

Its strange how an allergy to peanuts is almost entirely a "first world" affliction.

As I understand it, allergies in general are linked to two things: Too early an exposure to that type of food, and; Too hygienic a childhood.  They are now very explicit that you shouldn't feed a baby peanut butter or a variety of other things known to provoke severe food allergies.  On the second, there's been quite a few studies linking extremely strict infant and toddler hygiene to increased rates of asthma and allergies.  Apparently the developing immune system needs to calibrate itself against the environment, and if the environment is too free of exposure to bacteria, toxins, and parasites, it winds up sensitized to other environmental triggers like pollens.  With us (Americans and Europeans) no longer letting toddlers play in the dirt and mud, and bathing them several times a week (or even a day), this is causing a major increase in environmental allergies.

I got all my food allergies when I hit puberty. I was fine before that and then *boom* I was allegeric to a bunch of foods. Fortunately my food allergies, like the rest of my allergies except for maybe my Hay Fever are relatively mild. My mouth and throat will get itchy and my mouth will swell up but nothing like the people whose throats swell shut or go into shock. Basicaly I avoid those foods cause it's annoying but I can eat them if I had to/wanted to.

[Trippy]

Moved to General.

[Triforcer]

As Mahrin said, the hygiene thing is the real problem.  Bring your kids out to a farm once in awhile and have them wander around a manure-smelling barn and touch rusty 1950s farm equipment.  Nobody in my extended family has any food allergies and even the urbanites among them came (for holidays) to farms 2 or 3 times a year. 

[FatuousTwat]

Its strange how an allergy to peanuts is almost entirely a "first world" affliction.

As I understand it, allergies in general are linked to two things: Too early an exposure to that type of food, and; Too hygienic a childhood.  They are now very explicit that you shouldn't feed a baby peanut butter or a variety of other things known to provoke severe food allergies.  On the second, there's been quite a few studies linking extremely strict infant and toddler hygiene to increased rates of asthma and allergies.  Apparently the developing immune system needs to calibrate itself against the environment, and if the environment is too free of exposure to bacteria, toxins, and parasites, it winds up sensitized to other environmental triggers like pollens.  With us (Americans and Europeans) no longer letting toddlers play in the dirt and mud, and bathing them several times a week (or even a day), this is causing a major increase in environmental allergies.

I got all my food allergies when I hit puberty. I was fine before that and then *boom* I was allegeric to a bunch of foods. Fortunately my food allergies, like the rest of my allergies except for maybe my Hay Fever are relatively mild. My mouth and throat will get itchy and my mouth will swell up but nothing like the people whose throats swell shut or go into shock. Basicaly I avoid those foods cause it's annoying but I can eat them if I had to/wanted to.

I seem to be the opposite. I had bad hay fever when I was a kid, and pretty much couldn't go outside without sneezing and weeping on certain days of the year, but it went away around puberty.

[SnakeCharmer]

If you love your kids, let them eat mud pies.

Absolutely 1000000 percent agree.  Let them get dirty.  Let them get scraped up.  They need to get dirty and be in contact with germs and whatnot.  I spent all my youth outside, and to this day, I'm rarely ever sick.  The bugs and 24 hr things just pass right by me.

My son (who is just over 2 and half years old) spends most of his time outside playing with the dog, getting dirty.  He goes to a day camp thing a couple days a week (Moms day out program) so my wife can get stuff done as well as to get him socialized early.  He's been going to parks since he around a year old.  I dont think we ever boiled a pacifier that fell on the floor.  Hell, even if the dog was found going to town on it all we did was rinse it off under cold water.  Never boiled a baby bottle.  They need dog slobber and dirt.  It's good for them.   We've so far not had any emergency room trips for <anything> and no unscheduled doctors appointments.  He gets a runny nose and a slight fever every so often (as in 4 months) from some kid in his class, but nothing out of the ordinary.  He's a freakishly healthy and happy little kid who would rather be barefoot in the grass pouncing on the dog than anywhere else.  Gets a bath every other day, depending on how dirty he gets outside.  Otherwise its just a good wipedown with a cloth.

The whole antibacterial / wash your hands!!! germaphobe push is a sham, IMHO.  Our house is clean, but in no way sterile.  It's a house, not an operating room.

[Grimwell]

Back on the stats, even if half the peanut allergy folks die -- it's bad business to cater to them in anything but a large urban population center.

It's on them to ask and warn. From there it's on the restaurant to find a way to say yes and make a profit serving them. Give and take. Now if you will excuse me, I'm going to go smoke a pack of Camel's and rub peanuts on my arms. Yeah, I'm a rebel like that. 

[Trippy]

If you love your kids, let them eat mud pies.

Absolutely 1000000 percent agree.  Let them get dirty.  Let them get scraped up.  They need to get dirty and be in contact with germs and whatnot.  I spent all my youth outside, and to this day, I'm rarely ever sick.  The bugs and 24 hr things just pass right by me.

I played in the dirt all the time as a child and I still have every common allergy type (hay fever, asthma, pet, skin and food allergies). It's more complicated than that.

[Righ]

It's never more complicated than the folklore. You just fucked it up by crossing the path of a black cat.

[Trippy]

Damn it!

[MahrinSkel]

If you love your kids, let them eat mud pies.

Absolutely 1000000 percent agree.  Let them get dirty.  Let them get scraped up.  They need to get dirty and be in contact with germs and whatnot.  I spent all my youth outside, and to this day, I'm rarely ever sick.  The bugs and 24 hr things just pass right by me.

I played in the dirt all the time as a child and I still have every common allergy type (hay fever, asthma, pet, skin and food allergies). It's more complicated than that.

It's correlation, and a causation theory that seems to match the observation of an increase in overall allergy rates with a preference towards the most germ-phobic parents and is supported by experimental evidence in lab animals.  Just as not every case of lung cancer is from tobacco smoke, not every allergy is going to be the result of over-protective parents raising their children in a sterile bubble.  People developed allergies and asthma before we invented the HEPA filter and hand sanitizer, we just have considerably more of them now, too many to be accounted for by genetics or other environmental factors.  Anyway, I'm not a doctor, this is just what I understand as the result of reading and discussing my son's allergies with his doctor.  There are several other known ways of developing allergies (for example, many people show every sign of being immune the first time they are stung by a bee but develop allergies, even life-threatening ones, later), plus genetic pre-dispositions and sensitivities.

If you're taking medical or child-rearing advice from a guy on a message board without doing your own research, you're a candidate for the Darwin Awards.

--Dave

[Tale]

Tantrums about drivethrough donut breakfasts. Oh poor fucking America and its recession. Spoilt brats.

[FatuousTwat]

Meh.

[schild]

Tantrums about drivethrough donut breakfasts. Oh poor fucking America and its recession. Spoilt brats.

Take that shit to politics, hombre.

[Rendakor]

2) The companies all the way back up the line need to care.  All there needs to be is one in the chain that doesn't and something slips through.  Being cynical, they don't unless they're worried about their bottom line.  Unless there is a salmonella scare, the at-risk population is so low that they don't see the need to get really concerned.  It's only a few small percents of the population, right?

Take the number of vehicles in the field, A; multiply it by the probable rate of failure, B; then multiply the result by the average out of court settlement, C. A times B times C equals X. If X is less than the cost of a recall, we don't do one.

I'm assuming a similar thought process is occuring here. Since there isn't very large percentage of people affected, no reason for the corporations to give a fuck.

[Tale]

Take that shit to politics, hombre.

Sorry, I just went from work topics (in the news media) to this. I should eat some peanuts.

[gryeyes]

I'm assuming a similar thought process is occuring here.

Except removing peanuts from the menu would not incur additional costs (safe assumption). But would remove a possible expense. A single death/extreme reaction could cost them millions. I used to claim I was extremely allergic to onions in an attempt to make certain none were put on my food. And half the time the fuckers still put them on my burger.

[Tale]

I used to claim I was extremely allergic to onions in an attempt to make certain none were put on my food. And half the time the fuckers still put them on my burger.

Milk sugars (lactose, galactose, etc) are toxic to my sister's body. It's not lactose intolerance, it's a lifelong inability to produce the enzymes to break them down. So she has to firmly request pizza without cheese, no milk-based sauces, no butter, no ice cream, and a complete lack of any product where powdered milk, whey, etc, is an ingredient (lots of stuff you wouldn't expect).

The stupidity of restaurants is amazing. When she says "no milk products", they reply "but you can have cheese, right?". They will proudly serve her baked potatoes without sour cream, and drench them in butter instead. They'll make her a special dessert of plain strawberries because everything on the menu has milk in it, and serve them with cream.

[Oban]

The stupidity of restaurants people is amazing.

[Numtini]

I don't have a link, but I read a story a bit back about some doctors that are starting to do allergy therapy for peanuts, introducing microdoses and slowly building up a resistance so that people with it can at least exist in the world because the big thing with peanut allergies seems to be that you don't get sick and spend a day in the bathroom, you just up and die.

[IainC]

I don't have a link, but I read a story a bit back about some doctors that are starting to do allergy therapy for peanuts, introducing microdoses and slowly building up a resistance so that people with it can at least exist in the world because the big thing with peanut allergies seems to be that you don't get sick and spend a day in the bathroom, you just up and die.

I remember reading about that too - about a page ago when Hawkbit mentioned it.

[SnakeCharmer]

If you love your kids, let them eat mud pies.

Absolutely 1000000 percent agree.  Let them get dirty.  Let them get scraped up.  They need to get dirty and be in contact with germs and whatnot.  I spent all my youth outside, and to this day, I'm rarely ever sick.  The bugs and 24 hr things just pass right by me.

I played in the dirt all the time as a child and I still have every common allergy type (hay fever, asthma, pet, skin and food allergies). It's more complicated than that.

No shit.  But you gotta admit the germaphobe mentality wherein kids essentially live in a plastic bubble their entire life doesnt help.

[Segoris]

Grim, you should remember what this place is like.  It hasn't changed all that much (well, Algonquin is wider now) so the choices for local donuts outside of a grocery chain are pretty small. :(

This is Ryhssa's husband with my first-ever post.  I'm going to Country Donuts tomorrow AM and getting a dozen peanut ones.  Then, I'm going to sneeze my peanut breath on the franchisee's kid's head.

So Rhys, tony, and maybe Grim are from the Dundee, Lake in the Hills, Crystal Lake, Elgin area (far NW burbs in general)? If so, I no longer feel bad for the loss of peanut donuts when the drive (even if it is another 10 mins) to Country Donuts is always the only correct choice. Settling for Dunkin Donuts if you are in that area mentioned with Country Donuts near by just isn't right

If not then ignore the first paragraph in this post. Also, that just sucks and I'll feel bad for the loss of peanut donuts. Although make sure to post pics of sneezing in the brats food (or of one of you going postal with the rifle from page 1)!

[Yegolev]

I first thought this thread might be a complaint about the new Castlevania game.

[RhyssaFireheart]

Grim, you should remember what this place is like.  It hasn't changed all that much (well, Algonquin is wider now) so the choices for local donuts outside of a grocery chain are pretty small. :(

This is Ryhssa's husband with my first-ever post.  I'm going to Country Donuts tomorrow AM and getting a dozen peanut ones.  Then, I'm going to sneeze my peanut breath on the franchisee's kid's head.

So Rhys, tony, and maybe Grim are from the Dundee, Lake in the Hills, Crystal Lake, Elgin area (far NW burbs in general)? If so, I no longer feel bad for the loss of peanut donuts when the drive (even if it is another 10 mins) to Country Donuts is always the only correct choice. Settling for Dunkin Donuts if you are in that area mentioned with Country Donuts near by just isn't right

If not then ignore the first paragraph in this post. Also, that just sucks and I'll feel bad for the loss of peanut donuts. Although make sure to post pics of sneezing in the brats food (or of one of you going postal with the rifle from page 1)!

LOL!  No guns here, although the husband does have a valid FOID card.  Some days it's tempting to get a gun though.  We're in Lake in the Hills and Grim used to live in the area. 

The good news is the husband did goto Country Donuts yesterday morning for donuts (I think my sugar quotient for the month is filled now) and we had some delicious peanut donuts for breakfast.  MmmmMmMMm GOOD!  I think I'll make him go there from now on (I would go myself, but I had no idea the place existed, tbh.  He obviously did, which is plus+++ for us).

[Signe]

How long has he been sneaking out to donut shops on the sly? 

[Segoris]

LOL!  No guns here, although the husband does have a valid FOID card.  Some days it's tempting to get a gun though.  We're in Lake in the Hills and Grim used to live in the area. 

The good news is the husband did goto Country Donuts yesterday morning for donuts (I think my sugar quotient for the month is filled now) and we had some delicious peanut donuts for breakfast.  MmmmMmMMm GOOD!  I think I'll make him go there from now on (I would go myself, but I had no idea the place existed, tbh.  He obviously did, which is plus+++ for us).

They do have that affect on people, but damn are they tasty, well worth the short drive from LITH as you now know. I remember they had some really good coffee too. Of coures YMMV on the coffee, especially since I stopped drinking coffee years ago and it may have changed (although that is doubtful).

How long has he been sneaking out to donut shops on the sly? 

In this area, there are no other shops worth sneaking out to. So really it's just a matter of how often he was sneaking out to the good donut shop while making her settle with D.D.

Although it does bring up the question of if he's been withholding the knowledge of Country Donuts, is the husband also not introducing her to the great pizza, ribs, and italian beefs/sausage this area is has plenty of. 

[Grimwell]

I'm out in SoCal now, where donuts are just one Asian buffet away... and not nearly as good.

At least we have a Portillo's now.

[Sheepherder]

A nearby town had two Dunkin' Donuts, a Tim Hortons opened up, it now has no Dunkin' Donuts.